DOJ Memo on Marijuana Use

[houndawg]

Like I said - been doing exactly that for over 50 years...there's a whole generation's data happening every day.

Yes we can tell. And that would explain things lol..

So what's your excuse?

[kalm]

Yes we can tell. And that would explain things lol..

So what's your excuse?

A few of the most successful and intelligent people I know are dudes in their 70’s who can still smoke my lightweight ass under the table.

I fly fish, play golf and guitar with them or have coffee and learn about the works of Jose Saramago and Cormac McCarthy or discuss the geology of the PNW and ice age floods.

[houndawg]

So what's your excuse?

A few of the most successful and intelligent people I know are dudes in their 70’s who can still smoke my lightweight ass under the table.

I fly fish, play golf and guitar with them or have coffee and learn about the works of Jose Saramago andCormac McCarthy or discuss the geology of the PNW and ice age floods.

Holy shit did he ever change the way I look at the world. That is one bleak mofo...When I read All the Pretty Horses I didn't realize what a light-hearted romantic comedy it was compared Outer Dark, Child of God, and.... Blood Meridian

[89Hen]

https://www.city-journal.org/article/po ... th-hazards

Gosh, if only someone pointed all this out in this thread....

Legalization has now spread to half the country, but these promises have fallen short. Usage, addiction, and mental-health issues are surging, while a violent new black market, dominated by foreign gangs, has emerged, underselling the legal industry.

The study observed that the long-term decline in teen marijuana use had suddenly halted, leading one of the authors to suggest that legalization may be undermining efforts to reduce teen consumption.

Along with higher consumption levels comes a significant increase in pot-associated physical and mental problems, especially among frequent users. About 10 percent of new marijuana consumers will suffer from cannabis-use disorder, and roughly 30 percent of current users show signs of it—an addiction characterized by constant cravings, an inability to cut back, restlessness, dwindling motivation, and difficulties with relationships.

Emergency-room visits for cannabis-related issues, including psychosis, have skyrocketed.

Rather than ending the black market, as proponents claimed would happen, recreational-pot laws have incentivized a new illicit trade—what some call the black market 2.0—notable for the involvement of global criminal gangs.

[kalm]

https://www.city-journal.org/article/po ... th-hazards

Gosh, if only someone pointed all this out in this thread....

Legalization has now spread to half the country, but these promises have fallen short. Usage, addiction, and mental-health issues are surging, while a violent new black market, dominated by foreign gangs, has emerged, underselling the legal industry.

The study observed that the long-term decline in teen marijuana use had suddenly halted, leading one of the authors to suggest that legalization may be undermining efforts to reduce teen consumption.

Along with higher consumption levels comes a significant increase in pot-associated physical and mental problems, especially among frequent users. About 10 percent of new marijuana consumers will suffer from cannabis-use disorder, and roughly 30 percent of current users show signs of it—an addiction characterized by constant cravings, an inability to cut back, restlessness, dwindling motivation, and difficulties with relationships.

Emergency-room visits for cannabis-related issues, including psychosis, have skyrocketed.

Rather than ending the black market, as proponents claimed would happen, recreational-pot laws have incentivized a new illicit trade—what some call the black market 2.0—notable for the involvement of global criminal gangs.

So a financial guy has opinions about weed. Some people have chocolate cake and ribeye substance abuse issues too.

Still far less dangerous than booze. My entire medical team are fine with its use, including my gastroenterologist/transplant surgeon. This is true of many doctors. Heck, both my wife’s and my PCP prescribed it for chronic pain and sleep issues.

[GannonFan]

https://www.city-journal.org/article/po ... th-hazards

Gosh, if only someone pointed all this out in this thread....

So a financial guy has opinions about weed. Some people have chocolate cake and ribeye substance abuse issues too.

Still far less dangerous than booze. My entire medical team are fine with its use, including my gastroenterologist/transplant surgeon. This is true of many doctors. Heck, both my wife’s and my PCP prescribed it for chronic pain and sleep issues.

That's a weird take. Heck, almost any medicine, prescribed properly, with the correct dosage and the correct weaning, is fine. Opioids would fall into that classification too. It's where people misuse the drug, or where prescribers misapply the drug, that things go off the rails. IMO, marijuana should be legal - as you say, just like alcohol. But we're certainly turning a blind eye to the negatives of doing so, especially the impact on youth who who really shouldn't be having access to and using the drug. Just like with alcohol. There's a price to pay for legalization, it doesn't come without some significant negatives.

[kalm]

So a financial guy has opinions about weed. Some people have chocolate cake and ribeye substance abuse issues too.

Still far less dangerous than booze. My entire medical team are fine with its use, including my gastroenterologist/transplant surgeon. This is true of many doctors. Heck, both my wife’s and my PCP prescribed it for chronic pain and sleep issues.

That's a weird take. Heck, almost any medicine, prescribed properly, with the correct dosage and the correct weaning, is fine. Opioids would fall into that classification too. It's where people misuse the drug, or where prescribers misapply the drug, that things go off the rails. IMO, marijuana should be legal - as you say, just like alcohol. But we're certainly turning a blind eye to the negatives of doing so, especially the impact on youth who who really shouldn't be having access to and using the drug. Just like with alcohol. There's a price to pay for legalization, it doesn't come without some significant negatives.

That’s basically my point.

[Bobcat]

A few of the most successful and intelligent people I know are dudes in their 70’s who can still smoke my lightweight ass under the table.

I fly fish, play golf and guitar with them or have coffee and learn about the works of Jose Saramago andCormac McCarthy or discuss the geology of the PNW and ice age floods.

Holy shit did he ever change the way I look at the world. That is one bleak mofo...When I read All the Pretty Horses I didn't realize what a light-hearted romantic comedy it was compared Outer Dark, Child of God, and.... Blood Meridian

Further proof smoking hippy lettuce makes you gay/er

[houndawg]

Holy shit did he ever change the way I look at the world. That is one bleak mofo...When I read All the Pretty Horses I didn't realize what a light-hearted romantic comedy it was compared Outer Dark, Child of God, and.... Blood Meridian

Further proof smoking hippy lettuce makes you gay/er

Thank you for sharing, Bob scat.

[kalm]

Holy shit did he ever change the way I look at the world. That is one bleak mofo...When I read All the Pretty Horses I didn't realize what a light-hearted romantic comedy it was compared Outer Dark, Child of God, and.... Blood Meridian

Further proof smoking hippy lettuce makes you gay/er

That sounds like a you problem.

[Bobcat]

How?

I'm neither!?

Oh wait, you're right, I'm obviously a fascist AND a Russian agent

[89Hen]

That's a weird take. Heck, almost any medicine, prescribed properly, with the correct dosage and the correct weaning, is fine. Opioids would fall into that classification too. It's where people misuse the drug, or where prescribers misapply the drug, that things go off the rails. IMO, marijuana should be legal - as you say, just like alcohol. But we're certainly turning a blind eye to the negatives of doing so, especially the impact on youth who who really shouldn't be having access to and using the drug. Just like with alcohol. There's a price to pay for legalization, it doesn't come without some significant negatives.

That’s basically my point.

And oddly, my point too. You want to make light of it, I want to shine light on it.

[89Hen]

https://scitechdaily.com/todays-weed-is ... re-rising/

Cannabis potency is increasing — The concentration of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) has increased fivefold in the last 20 years in Canada from about 4% to 20% in most legal dried cannabis.

High-potency and regular cannabis use is linked to increased risk of psychosis — The risk of psychosis is increased in people using high-potency THC (more than 10% THC), people using it frequently, and those who are younger and male. A history of mental disorders (depression, anxiety, etc.) also appears to increase the risk.

Cannabis-induced psychosis and cannabis use disorder increase the risk of schizophrenia — A recent study of 9.8 million people in Ontario found a 14.3-fold higher risk of developing a schizophrenia-spectrum disorder in people visiting the emergency department for cannabis use and a 241.6-fold higher risk from visits for cannabis-induced psychosis.

[GannonFan]

https://scitechdaily.com/todays-weed-is ... re-rising/

Cannabis potency is increasing — The concentration of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) has increased fivefold in the last 20 years in Canada from about 4% to 20% in most legal dried cannabis.

High-potency and regular cannabis use is linked to increased risk of psychosis — The risk of psychosis is increased in people using high-potency THC (more than 10% THC), people using it frequently, and those who are younger and male. A history of mental disorders (depression, anxiety, etc.) also appears to increase the risk.

Cannabis-induced psychosis and cannabis use disorder increase the risk of schizophrenia — A recent study of 9.8 million people in Ontario found a 14.3-fold higher risk of developing a schizophrenia-spectrum disorder in people visiting the emergency department for cannabis use and a 241.6-fold higher risk from visits for cannabis-induced psychosis.

And when you consider that weed even 20 years ago was significantly more potent than the version that came to the forefront in the heyday of the '60's, well, that could certainly be a problem for those who partake.

[UNI88]

https://scitechdaily.com/todays-weed-is ... re-rising/

And when you consider that weed even 20 years ago was significantly more potent than the version that came to the forefront in the heyday of the '60's, well, that could certainly be a problem for those who partake.

Yes, THC in excess is dangerous and should be consumed in moderation, just like alcohol (my son just had a friend of a friend die from alcohol poisoning).

I don't have a problem if the government wants to limit THC potency or require labeling but they shouldn't be in the business of legislating the morality of and access to THC anymore than they should legislate the morality of and access to alcohol.

This is America, not russia or Afghanistan, people should be free to make their own choices on THC usage just like they do with alcohol. Sometimes those choices put them in harms way.

[kalm]

And when you consider that weed even 20 years ago was significantly more potent than the version that came to the forefront in the heyday of the '60's, well, that could certainly be a problem for those who partake.

Yes, THC in excess is dangerous and should be consumed in moderation, just like alcohol (my son just had a friend of a friend die from alcohol poisoning).

I don't have a problem if the government wants to limit THC potency or require labeling but they shouldn't be in the business of legislating the morality of and access to THC anymore than they should legislate the morality of and access to alcohol.

This is America, not russia or Afghanistan, people should be free to make their own choices on THC usage just like they do with alcohol. Sometimes those choices put them in harms way.

It’s stronger but much of it is due to edible use (it hits differently as it’s processed through the stomach, then liver and is usually more of a deeper body type high) as well as a bunch of newbies not knowing how much is enough and/or mixing it with booze.

On the few times I’m higher than I want to be, like many, I just fall asleep.

[GannonFan]

And when you consider that weed even 20 years ago was significantly more potent than the version that came to the forefront in the heyday of the '60's, well, that could certainly be a problem for those who partake.

Yes, THC in excess is dangerous and should be consumed in moderation, just like alcohol (my son just had a friend of a friend die from alcohol poisoning).

I don't have a problem if the government wants to limit THC potency or require labeling but they shouldn't be in the business of legislating the morality of and access to THC anymore than they should legislate the morality of and access to alcohol.

This is America, not russia or Afghanistan, people should be free to make their own choices on THC usage just like they do with alcohol. Sometimes those choices put them in harms way.

Hey, I've never said differently. But yes, going to likley need a lot of labelling going forward, warning stickers, etc. At least more than today.

[houndawg]

So what's your excuse?

A few of the most successful and intelligent people I know are dudes in their 70’s who can still smoke my lightweight ass under the table.

I fly fish, play golf and guitar with them or have coffee and learn about the works of Jose Saramago and Cormac McCarthy or discuss the geology of the PNW and ice age floods.

Snoop Dog, Willie Nelson, and Cheech & Chong are ducking my standing challenge.

(Btw, our little music scene here in the Shawnee supplied the guy playing pedal steel for Wille's son )

[89Hen]

There isn't anybody else to worry about, 89 Clueless; everybody who wants to smoke already does. There is not a pent-up demand 0f potential customers just waiting for the stuff to become legal before they start having a puff. Good grief, son, how do you manage to stay so out of touch?

Pure speculation on your part. If you honestly don't think that there are a bunch of folks who don't smoke pot because it's illegal you are full of shit or stupid. Take your pick.

And I was right on this too. You can call it anecdotal all you want but EVERYWHERE I go these days I smell the stanky weed. Yesterday in my work parking lot... on the way home I stopped by the grocery store, dude smoking in the parking garage... went to a Maryland bball game and walked behind a group of kids smoking... on the way out of the game saw and smelled three more groups on the walk to the car. I have a couple dozen friends that never smoked/vaped/gummied on golf trips, now nearly every one of them does.

[89Hen]

Cannabis companies kicked out of Colorado after reports of liver injuries

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/c ... -injuries/

[89Hen]

https://www.sfgate.com/cannabis/article ... 112945.php

The dire financial status of the city’s cannabis stores — with more than 500 out of LA’s 738 pot companies owing outstanding taxes — has forced the city to take the extreme step of proposing an amnesty program to bail out the industry...

The city’s cannabis companies currently owe the city $400 million in outstanding taxes, with 48 businesses individually owing more than $2 million.