2020 General Election

[AZGrizFan]

Interesting. Only need to watch the first 2 1/2 minutes to catch a fact I was unaware of. If you remove four instances of huge biden vote dumps, Trump wins.

Outside if that tidbit, it's a pretty good overview of what happened.

Sorta shoots the whole "fraud would have to be perpetrated on a massive scale" rebuttal in the ass.

It’s what I said from the beginning. Just a few critically timed dumps from a couple of precincts and it was all over. It did NOT need a shitload of accomplices....but since we all know that Detroit, Philly and Atlanta are run by such above board politicians, it could never have happened, amirite?

[SeattleGriz]

Interesting. Only need to watch the first 2 1/2 minutes to catch a fact I was unaware of. If you remove four instances of huge biden vote dumps, Trump wins.

Outside if that tidbit, it's a pretty good overview of what happened.

Sorta shoots the whole "fraud would have to be perpetrated on a massive scale" rebuttal in the ass.

It’s what I said from the beginning. Just a few critically timed dumps from a couple of precincts and it was all over. It did NOT need a shitload of accomplices....but since we all know that Detroit, Philly and Atlanta are run by such above board politicians, it could never have happened, amirite?

Never!

Did you happen to notice the House Rep race that was just called for the NY Republican? The Democrat lawyer, Marc Elias of Russiagate fame, was arguing that the Dominion voting machines were faulty and his client really won. Hmmm.

He sounds like an insurrectionist and should be put behind bars for such an inflammatory statement. Will he be denounced?

[AZGrizFan]

It’s what I said from the beginning. Just a few critically timed dumps from a couple of precincts and it was all over. It did NOT need a shitload of accomplices....but since we all know that Detroit, Philly and Atlanta are run by such above board politicians, it could never have happened, amirite?

Never!

Did you happen to notice the House Rep race that was just called for the NY Republican? The Democrat lawyer, Marc Elias of Russiagate fame, was arguing that the Dominion voting machines were faulty and his client really won. Hmmm.

That’s because the MSM and the American public are all stupid enough to just “forget” that that was one of Trump’s arguments as well, just weeks ago. It’s like a giant continuous episode of SAST.

[kalm]

Interesting. Only need to watch the first 2 1/2 minutes to catch a fact I was unaware of. If you remove four instances of huge biden vote dumps, Trump wins.

Outside if that tidbit, it's a pretty good overview of what happened.

Sorta shoots the whole "fraud would have to be perpetrated on a massive scale" rebuttal in the ass.

It’s what I said from the beginning. Just a few critically timed dumps from a couple of precincts and it was all over. It did NOT need a shitload of accomplices....but since we all know that Detroit, Philly and Atlanta are run by such above board politicians, it could never have happened, amirite?

Except the vote dumps were not only predicted (due to mail in ballots, turn out, etc.) but they were reported that night...as they were coming in...in real time. There were also some clerical errors that cause delays but they were all gone over by numerous fact checking orgs and they were also debunked.

[SeattleGriz]

It’s what I said from the beginning. Just a few critically timed dumps from a couple of precincts and it was all over. It did NOT need a shitload of accomplices....but since we all know that Detroit, Philly and Atlanta are run by such above board politicians, it could never have happened, amirite?

Except the vote dumps were not only predicted (due to mail in ballots, turn out, etc.) but they were reported that night...as they were coming in...in real time. There were also some clerical errors that cause delays but they were all gone over by numerous fact checking orgs and they were also debunked.

They were predicted, but not in the ratios that came in. That is the issue. You can't use the whole, " it was a highly democratic area" because those sort of ratios only happened in the specific areas under question and nowhere else in the US with similar highly democratic demographics.

Also, would those fact check orgs be the same ones that spread false fact checks over Russia collusion? Just checking to make sure you didn't use them for your research.

[Ibanez]

The election was 98 days ago... move on.

[Ibanez]

Interesting. Only need to watch the first 2 1/2 minutes to catch a fact I was unaware of. If you remove four instances of huge biden vote dumps, Trump wins.

Outside if that tidbit, it's a pretty good overview of what happened.

Sorta shoots the whole "fraud would have to be perpetrated on a massive scale" rebuttal in the ass.

If you don't count the states that lean Democrat then Trump would've won.

The "what-if" game will drive you up a wall.

[SeattleGriz]

Interesting. Only need to watch the first 2 1/2 minutes to catch a fact I was unaware of. If you remove four instances of huge biden vote dumps, Trump wins.

Outside if that tidbit, it's a pretty good overview of what happened.

Sorta shoots the whole "fraud would have to be perpetrated on a massive scale" rebuttal in the ass.

If you don't count the states that lean Democrat then Trump would've won.

The "what-if" game will drive you up a wall.

That's a non-sequitur. Nobody said don't count Democratic areas so Trump could win. What was said is that due to four very unlikely ballot dump scenarios, Joe Biden was able to win the election. That's all it took to win and not some massive fraud on a national scale.

The same could be speculated about Trump's victory in 2016, minus the ballot dumps. He only won the rust belt by around 80K total votes. Maybe I'm nuts, but when you realize how little needs to be affected about the Presidential election, it starts to make you wonder.

[Ibanez]

If you don't count the states that lean Democrat then Trump would've won.

The "what-if" game will drive you up a wall.

That's a non-sequitur. Nobody said don't count Democratic areas so Trump could win. What was said is that due to four very unlikely ballot dump scenarios, Joe Biden was able to win the election. That's all it took to win and not some massive fraud on a national scale.

The same could be speculated about Trump's victory in 2016, minus the ballot dumps. He only won the rust belt by around 80K total votes. Maybe I'm nuts, but when you realize how little needs to be affected about the Presidential election, it starts to make you wonder.

You are literally saying the same thing. You are saying that IF Biden get those rust belt votes, Trump would win.

[SDHornet]

Except the vote dumps were not only predicted (due to mail in ballots, turn out, etc.) but they were reported that night...as they were coming in...in real time. There were also some clerical errors that cause delays but they were all gone over by numerous fact checking orgs and they were also debunked.

They were predicted, but not in the ratios that came in. That is the issue. You can't use the whole, " it was a highly democratic area" because those sort of ratios only happened in the specific areas under question and nowhere else in the US with similar highly democratic demographics.

Also, would those fact check orgs be the same ones that spread false fact checks over Russia collusion? Just checking to make sure you didn't use them for your research.

Yup. There are statistical anomalies associated with the ballot dumps. I posted about it not long after they occurred.

[UNI88]

They were predicted, but not in the ratios that came in. That is the issue. You can't use the whole, " it was a highly democratic area" because those sort of ratios only happened in the specific areas under question and nowhere else in the US with similar highly democratic demographics.

Also, would those fact check orgs be the same ones that spread false fact checks over Russia collusion? Just checking to make sure you didn't use them for your research.

Yup. There are statistical anomalies associated with the ballot dumps. I posted about it not long after they occurred.

Why are our choices:
a) Pretend it didn't happen and accept the election results, or
b) Burn down the Capitol and try to overturn the election results

When we should be pursuing a third option:
c) Look into the anomalies and errors and put safeguards in place to significantly reduce the risk of fraud or manipulation in the future.

[kalm]

Yup. There are statistical anomalies associated with the ballot dumps. I posted about it not long after they occurred.

Why are our choices:
a) Pretend it didn't happen and accept the election results, or
b) Burn down the Capitol and try to overturn the election results

When we should be pursuing a third option:
c) Look into the anomalies and errors and put safeguards in place to significantly reduce the risk of fraud or manipulation in the future.

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

[kalm]

Why are our choices:
a) Pretend it didn't happen and accept the election results, or
b) Burn down the Capitol and try to overturn the election results

When we should be pursuing a third option:
c) Look into the anomalies and errors and put safeguards in place to significantly reduce the risk of fraud or manipulation in the future.

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

I’ll add that refusing to accept the election results is another nail in the Republican Party coffin. And that’s not a good thing unless a viable third party quickly becomes relevant.

[SeattleGriz]

That's a non-sequitur. Nobody said don't count Democratic areas so Trump could win. What was said is that due to four very unlikely ballot dump scenarios, Joe Biden was able to win the election. That's all it took to win and not some massive fraud on a national scale.

The same could be speculated about Trump's victory in 2016, minus the ballot dumps. He only won the rust belt by around 80K total votes. Maybe I'm nuts, but when you realize how little needs to be affected about the Presidential election, it starts to make you wonder.

You are literally saying the same thing. You are saying that IF Biden get those rust belt votes, Trump would win.

I'm saying something seems fishy about our elections if it can be flipped by simply 80k votes. Trump won by a razor thin margin and so did Biden, except Bidens victory required some very unlikely ballot dumps.

I brought up Trump simply to show I didn't think it was fishy when a Dem won, although I didn't even think twice about Trump's win until Biden pulled a mirror image for the win.

[UNI88]

Why are our choices:
a) Pretend it didn't happen and accept the election results, or
b) Burn down the Capitol and try to overturn the election results

When we should be pursuing a third option:
c) Look into the anomalies and errors and put safeguards in place to significantly reduce the risk of fraud or manipulation in the future.

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

Links?

And please don't give me links to the cases that were thrown out of court. Those were ham-handed attempts based more on braggadocio than substance. I'm interested in a serious review of what happened, where the weak points are and how they can be strengthened. I don't think we'll see it because I think the entrenched powers on both sides like the status quo.

This election gave me an idea of how vulnerable our elections are and I don't think its pretty.

[GannonFan]

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

I’ll add that refusing to accept the election results is another nail in the Republican Party coffin. And that’s not a good thing unless a viable third party quickly becomes relevant.

What does "another nail" even mean? The Senate is tied, the H of R is at it's slimmest margin in over 50 years, and the GOP holds the vast majority of governor's mansions and state legislatures. For a party that is in a "coffin", they seem to be exceedingly successful. Maybe the mythical third party unicorn you talk of could look to them as an example of something to emulate?

As for refusing to accept election results, hey, I think it's in poor taste and sportsmanship and Trump and allies took it even further than that. However, we do have the example of the Democrats in Georgia refusing to accept the results of the most recent governor election there, labeling those results as rigged and invalid, even illegal, and they rode that sentiment to electoral victory in both the Presidential and Senate elections just a few years later. There's not ample evidence that refusing to accept election results is a losing position at the ballot box.

[GannonFan]

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

Links?

And please don't give me links to the cases that were thrown out of court. Those were ham-handed attempts based more on braggadocio than substance. I'm interested in a serious review of what happened, where the weak points are and how they can be strengthened. I don't think we'll see it because I think the entrenched powers on both sides like the status quo.

This election gave me an idea of how vulnerable our elections are and I don't think its pretty.

Agreed. I would love to see the detailed forensic electoral investigations that have already happened or will happen. Like I said in another thread, we don't do this as we tend to only think of these things once every 4 years.

[kalm]

Links?

And please don't give me links to the cases that were thrown out of court. Those were ham-handed attempts based more on braggadocio than substance. I'm interested in a serious review of what happened, where the weak points are and how they can be strengthened. I don't think we'll see it because I think the entrenched powers on both sides like the status quo.

This election gave me an idea of how vulnerable our elections are and I don't think its pretty.

Agreed. I would love to see the detailed forensic electoral investigations that have already happened or will happen. Like I said in another thread, we don't do this as we tend to only think of these things once every 4 years.

We have a justice department, state AG’s, Secretaries of State, etc who can order forensic audits and other investigations if there was a legitimate reason to do so. There wasn’t.

We have a court system that can enforce a TRO, halting certification if the plaintiffs provided evidence that was worthy. They didn’t.

There have been multiple county and state audits conducted. I’m not sure what qualifies as “forensic” but I did read that the AZ legislature refused to accept a county audit and was considering hiring a forensic auditing firm to conduct one. That firm is reportedly run by a Trump loyalist and fraud conspiracist.

How about you two go and find the missing evidence of why this should have been taken up further by the courts.

There’s surely some stones left unturned here.

[UNI88]

Agreed. I would love to see the detailed forensic electoral investigations that have already happened or will happen. Like I said in another thread, we don't do this as we tend to only think of these things once every 4 years.

We have a justice department, state AG’s, Secretaries of State, etc who can order forensic audits and other investigations if there was a legitimate reason to do so. There wasn’t.

We have a court system that can enforce a TRO, halting certification if the plaintiffs provided evidence that was worthy. They didn’t.

There have been multiple county and state audits conducted. I’m not sure what qualifies as “forensic” but I did read that the AZ legislature refused to accept a county audit and was considering hiring a forensic auditing firm to conduct one. That firm is reportedly run by a Trump loyalist and fraud conspiracist.

How about you two go and find the missing evidence of why this should have been taken up further by the courts.

There’s surely some stones left unturned here.

Who put a burr in your saddle today cowboy?

Have you mistaken me for someone who thinks the election was stolen? I don't. I do think there were anomalies and troubling behavior by election workers that should be investigated. But as I said ...

I don't think we'll see it because I think the entrenched powers on both sides like the status quo.

Congress spent how much time and how many millions of dollars on a fruitless first impeachment of Trump yet you don't want to spend a little time and a little money to make sure our elections are more secure? How many other things has our government wasted time and money on? This is a no-brainer unless the powers-that-be are afraid of what the results might be.

Why do you hate transparency, truth and the Republic?

[BDKJMU]

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

I’ll add that refusing to accept the election results is another nail in the Republican Party coffin. And that’s not a good thing unless a viable third party quickly becomes relevant.

After the donks refused to accept the 2016 election results for 4 years...

[BDKJMU]

I’ll add that refusing to accept the election results is another nail in the Republican Party coffin. And that’s not a good thing unless a viable third party quickly becomes relevant.

What does "another nail" even mean? The Senate is tied, the H of R is at it's slimmest margin in over 50 years, and the GOP holds the vast majority of governor's mansions and state legislatures. For a party that is in a "coffin", they seem to be exceedingly successful. Maybe the mythical third party unicorn you talk of could look to them as an example of something to emulate?

As for refusing to accept election results, hey, I think it's in poor taste and sportsmanship and Trump and allies took it even further than that. However, we do have the example of the Democrats in Georgia refusing to accept the results of the most recent governor election there, labeling those results as rigged and invalid, even illegal, and they rode that sentiment to electoral victory in both the Presidential and Senate elections just a few years later. There's not ample evidence that refusing to accept election results is a losing position at the ballot box.

Beat me to it.

[SeattleGriz]

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

Links?

And please don't give me links to the cases that were thrown out of court. Those were ham-handed attempts based more on braggadocio than substance. I'm interested in a serious review of what happened, where the weak points are and how they can be strengthened. I don't think we'll see it because I think the entrenched powers on both sides like the status quo.

This election gave me an idea of how vulnerable our elections are and I don't think its pretty.

Posting while in a workshop, so I can't make it pretty, but here is a link to all the cases out there. Surprising how many victories are on the pro-Trump side.

http://wiseenergy.org/Energy/Election/2 ... _Cases.htm

[SeattleGriz]

You think some Senators are worried about their impeachment vote? They passed rules for double secret voting. Chicken shits.

[SDHornet]

C already has and is happening. Unless no one thought of looking into the anomalies or you buy into the - traitorous RINO wouldn’t look into fraud - theories.

Links?

And please don't give me links to the cases that were thrown out of court. Those were ham-handed attempts based more on braggadocio than substance. I'm interested in a serious review of what happened, where the weak points are and how they can be strengthened. I don't think we'll see it because I think the entrenched powers on both sides like the status quo.

This election gave me an idea of how vulnerable our elections are and I don't think its pretty.

Yep. One example is the AZ officials fighting tooth and nail to keep from the actual ballots from being audited.

[JohnStOnge]

They were predicted, but not in the ratios that came in. That is the issue. You can't use the whole, " it was a highly democratic area" because those sort of ratios only happened in the specific areas under question and nowhere else in the US with similar highly democratic demographics.

Not true. On what basis do you say they were not predicted in the ratios that came in? I was monitoring media reports before and after and such things were indeed predicted beforehand. I was watching media reports, for example, saying that Trump led in Pennsylvania but it was likely that he would lose the lead as mail in ballots were counted.

With respect to overwhelmingly Democrat jurisdictions: You can easily check on an example of such by looking at Washington DC. Biden beat Trump in Washington DC by 317,323 to 18,586.

Again: Just stop. Do you not think that the FBI and Homeland Security are aware of any argument you can put up with respect to this sort of thing? Trump did not lose because of voter fraud. He lost because he lost. And it was not unexpected. He is the only President in the history of Gallup polling who never reached 50% approval. He was NEVER favored by the majority of the People. Never.