I think there’s a chance of that happening too and agree. The size of a center right party would be the thing to watch for. That would provide some balance.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:23 pmI think both parties have or are about to split into two parties each....the next 6-8 years are going to be very interesting.....kalm wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:16 am Outstanding read on the GOP. It’s not just fracturing. It may already be two parties.
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Since when have the commies every let a few deaths get in their way of "progress".
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The "center right" that you envision would contain the Neocons. They certainly would not be part of the conservative populists.
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I just think the same thing is happening in the near future on the far left. The common-sense individuals in both parties have cowtowed to the extremes in the past couple elections (and the extremes have gotten waaaay more extreme) and I just feel there’s a schism coming when the standard government issue democrats realize that placating the OAC’s and Omars of the world isnt’ going to cut it. They won’t accept being placated without actual action (and 100% compliance) and that isnt’ going to happen....
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Haven't been back to this thread for a while. I am wondering if any of you are continuing to argue that there isn't a serious problem with the Republican base and/or that there is anything similar going on with respect to the Democrat base.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:50 pm The scales have fallen from my eyes over the past 5 years. The problem we have in this country is that the Republican base is largely composed of the kind of people that allowed for things like Hitler and Mussolini consolidating power in the 20th century. We have learned that the Republican base is the dark underbelly of United State culture. It is a big problem because traditional Republican leadership is not willing to reject what the Republican base has become.
We've got about 20,000 National Guardsmen in Washington DC. Saw video of them lining the street today with their guns in ready position. You know why that is? The Republican base.
The National Mall is closed for the inauguration. You know why that is? The Republican base.
Did you see the poll last week that said 45% of Republicans supported the attack on the Capitol. Oh and BTW only 43% opposed it. Still say there is no problem with the Republican base? Still say "whatabout the Democrat base?"
Just don't. The Democrat base is not comparable. The Republican base is WAY worse right now in terms of being infected with a WHOLE lot of complete nut jobs. The Democrat base has NEVER done stuff like what's going on right now with the Republican base. Not even close.
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JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:26 pmHaven't been back to this thread for a while. I am wondering if any of you are continuing to argue that there isn't a serious problem with the Republican base and/or that there is anything similar going on with respect to the Democrat base.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:50 pm The scales have fallen from my eyes over the past 5 years. The problem we have in this country is that the Republican base is largely composed of the kind of people that allowed for things like Hitler and Mussolini consolidating power in the 20th century. We have learned that the Republican base is the dark underbelly of United State culture. It is a big problem because traditional Republican leadership is not willing to reject what the Republican base has become.
We've got about 20,000 National Guardsmen in Washington DC. Saw video of them lining the street today with their guns in ready position. You know why that is? The Republican base.
The National Mall is closed for the inauguration. You know why that is? The Republican base.
Did you see the poll last week that said 45% of Republicans supported the attack on the Capitol. Oh and BTW only 43% opposed it. Still say there is no problem with the Republican base? Still say "whatabout the Democrat base?"
Just don't. The Democrat base is not comparable. The Republican base is WAY worse right now in terms of being infected with a WHOLE lot of complete nut jobs. The Democrat base has NEVER done stuff like what's going on right now with the Republican base. Not even close.
John, please stop posting about Trump and Republicans. You're a broken record beating a dead horse. I know what you're going to post before I read it so why waste my time.
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They're being used as political pawns.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:26 pmHaven't been back to this thread for a while. I am wondering if any of you are continuing to argue that there isn't a serious problem with the Republican base and/or that there is anything similar going on with respect to the Democrat base.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:50 pm The scales have fallen from my eyes over the past 5 years. The problem we have in this country is that the Republican base is largely composed of the kind of people that allowed for things like Hitler and Mussolini consolidating power in the 20th century. We have learned that the Republican base is the dark underbelly of United State culture. It is a big problem because traditional Republican leadership is not willing to reject what the Republican base has become.
We've got about 20,000 National Guardsmen in Washington DC. Saw video of them lining the street today with their guns in ready position. You know why that is? The Republican base.
The National Mall is closed for the inauguration. You know why that is? The Republican base.
Did you see the poll last week that said 45% of Republicans supported the attack on the Capitol. Oh and BTW only 43% opposed it. Still say there is no problem with the Republican base? Still say "whatabout the Democrat base?"
Just don't. The Democrat base is not comparable. The Republican base is WAY worse right now in terms of being infected with a WHOLE lot of complete nut jobs. The Democrat base has NEVER done stuff like what's going on right now with the Republican base. Not even close.
Because of the hysteriaonics from the left.
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I'm just checking to see if you are now all willing to admit that there is a problem with the Republican base and there is no comparable problem with the Democrat base. Are you willing to admit that at this point or are we going to have to see more obvious evidence of it?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:59 pmJohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:26 pm
Haven't been back to this thread for a while. I am wondering if any of you are continuing to argue that there isn't a serious problem with the Republican base and/or that there is anything similar going on with respect to the Democrat base.
We've got about 20,000 National Guardsmen in Washington DC. Saw video of them lining the street today with their guns in ready position. You know why that is? The Republican base.
The National Mall is closed for the inauguration. You know why that is? The Republican base.
Did you see the poll last week that said 45% of Republicans supported the attack on the Capitol. Oh and BTW only 43% opposed it. Still say there is no problem with the Republican base? Still say "whatabout the Democrat base?"
Just don't. The Democrat base is not comparable. The Republican base is WAY worse right now in terms of being infected with a WHOLE lot of complete nut jobs. The Democrat base has NEVER done stuff like what's going on right now with the Republican base. Not even close.
John, please stop posting about Trump and Republicans. You're a broken record beating a dead horse. I know what you're going to post before I read it so why waste my time.
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No. That's not it. It's that there is a problem in that a critical mass of the Republican base is composed of extremely ignorant, hateful people who are totally divorced from reality. It's a big problem for our country because one of the major political parties is held hostage to that. Republican politicians can't be rational and survive primaries.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:50 pmThey're being used as political pawns.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:26 pm
Haven't been back to this thread for a while. I am wondering if any of you are continuing to argue that there isn't a serious problem with the Republican base and/or that there is anything similar going on with respect to the Democrat base.
We've got about 20,000 National Guardsmen in Washington DC. Saw video of them lining the street today with their guns in ready position. You know why that is? The Republican base.
The National Mall is closed for the inauguration. You know why that is? The Republican base.
Did you see the poll last week that said 45% of Republicans supported the attack on the Capitol. Oh and BTW only 43% opposed it. Still say there is no problem with the Republican base? Still say "whatabout the Democrat base?"
Just don't. The Democrat base is not comparable. The Republican base is WAY worse right now in terms of being infected with a WHOLE lot of complete nut jobs. The Democrat base has NEVER done stuff like what's going on right now with the Republican base. Not even close.
Because of the hysteriaonics from the left.
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FYPJohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:53 pmI was right and you were wrong,
I'm going to sing the I was right song.
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Show a link or shut the fuck up.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 3:26 pmHaven't been back to this thread for a while. I am wondering if any of you are continuing to argue that there isn't a serious problem with the Republican base and/or that there is anything similar going on with respect to the Democrat base.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 8:50 pm The scales have fallen from my eyes over the past 5 years. The problem we have in this country is that the Republican base is largely composed of the kind of people that allowed for things like Hitler and Mussolini consolidating power in the 20th century. We have learned that the Republican base is the dark underbelly of United State culture. It is a big problem because traditional Republican leadership is not willing to reject what the Republican base has become.
We've got about 20,000 National Guardsmen in Washington DC. Saw video of them lining the street today with their guns in ready position. You know why that is? The Republican base.
The National Mall is closed for the inauguration. You know why that is? The Republican base.
Did you see the poll last week that said 45% of Republicans supported the attack on the Capitol. Oh and BTW only 43% opposed it. Still say there is no problem with the Republican base? Still say "whatabout the Democrat base?"
Just don't. The Democrat base is not comparable. The Republican base is WAY worse right now in terms of being infected with a WHOLE lot of complete nut jobs. The Democrat base has NEVER done stuff like what's going on right now with the Republican base. Not even close.
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The two most shocking things on the graphic are 1) that 21% of Independents strongly or somewhat supported the actions of the Trump supporters and 2) that 56% of voters believe that enough election fraud took place to change the outcome of the presidential election. That's more than half the voters and isn't just Republicans, there are Independents and probably Democrats who believe it.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:48 pm
https://today.yougov.com/topics/politic ... trump-poll
This country does not trust the government and it isn't just Trump's fault.
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You mean these hateful people divorced from reality?JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:58 pmNo. That's not it. It's that there is a problem in that a critical mass of the Republican base is composed of extremely ignorant, hateful people who are totally divorced from reality. It's a big problem for our country because one of the major political parties is held hostage to that. Republican politicians can't be rational and survive primaries.
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Yep. FFS a political outside was elected POTUS. If that doesn't scream "fuck the system" then I don't know what does.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:59 pmThe two most shocking things on the graphic are 1) that 21% of Independents strongly or somewhat supported the actions of the Trump supporters and 2) that 34% of Democrats believe that enough election fraud took place to change the outcome of the presidential election.Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:48 pm
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Charts doesn't say that.
It says 34% of those that believe enough fraud took place to change the outcome of the election somewhat or strongly oppose storming the Capitol.
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You're on the first part. I have no idea what you were trying to post on the second part, you went all Kalmmy there. I updated my post:Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:06 amCharts doesn't say that.
It says 34% of those that believe enough fraud took place to change the outcome of the election somewhat or strongly oppose storming the Capitol.
The two most shocking things on the graphic are 1) that 21% of Independents strongly or somewhat supported the actions of the Trump supporters and 2) that 56% of voters believe that enough election fraud took place to change the outcome of the presidential election. That's more than half the voters and isn't just Republicans, there are Independents and probably Democrats who believe it.
This country does not trust the government and it isn't just Trump's fault.
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It isn’t. But faith in institutions will likely make comeback over the next few years if you buy into generational theory. Same goes for increased government control like we’ve discussed before.UNI88 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:19 amYou're on the first part. I have no idea what you were trying to post on the second part, you went all Kalmmy there. I updated my post:Skjellyfetti wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 4:06 am
Charts doesn't say that.
It says 34% of those that believe enough fraud took place to change the outcome of the election somewhat or strongly oppose storming the Capitol.
The two most shocking things on the graphic are 1) that 21% of Independents strongly or somewhat supported the actions of the Trump supporters and 2) that 56% of voters believe that enough election fraud took place to change the outcome of the presidential election. That's more than half the voters and isn't just Republicans, there are Independents and probably Democrats who believe it.
This country does not trust the government and it isn't just Trump's fault.
Thats where your warnings of left wing totalitarianism are legit.
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It doesn't say that either.
It says 56% of those that believe enough fraud took place to change the outcome of the election somewhat or strongly support storming the Capitol.
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SDHornet wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:14 pmYou mean these hateful people divorced from reality?JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:58 pm
No. That's not it. It's that there is a problem in that a critical mass of the Republican base is composed of extremely ignorant, hateful people who are totally divorced from reality. It's a big problem for our country because one of the major political parties is held hostage to that. Republican politicians can't be rational and survive primaries.
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Yeah...they are so much the same!
Nice to see SD skipping Fox News and the WSJ and going directly to Cernovichland.
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To what? There were protests in 2016 therefore your argument is invalid?