Well he wasn't in the negotiations the last two days. He was busy getting dirt on Biden and double checking that the Kurds didn't land on Juno or Sword.Ivytalk wrote:Trump is being briefed, eh?CAA Flagship wrote:Rumors are that the Chinese have made some concessions to pave the way for a partial deal. Trump is being briefed at this moment. Stock market is hopeful with DJIA up 400+ points.
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That's some great 4D chess by that Magnificent Orange Bastard!!!!
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Everybody knows China isn’t going to make major concessions right now because they are hoping to wait Trump out for someone more China friendly
(read: any Dem)
We’ll wait for the inevitable “China is hacking our elections in favor of Warren OMFG” thread
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sounds like Trump was blowing smoke up the market's ass againCAA Flagship wrote:Rumors are that the Chinese have made some concessions to pave the way for a partial deal. Trump is being briefed at this moment. Stock market is hopeful with DJIA up 400+ points.
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The First Economic Idiot is at it again: tariffs for the grave competition from Argentinian and Brazilian steel, from French cheese( ), and more coming for the Red Chinese. Maybe we can push off the trade deal until after the election. With every tweet, the market gyrates wildly. Maybe we could file a class action against Trump for market manipulation. If he’s shorting the stocks that his tweets are hurting, we could nail him for insider trading as well.
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Nah, he's fully onboard with the kalmuism economic theory, he's just leveraging America's strengths for better trade considerations. Kalmie was am economic Trumpster before there even was such a thing.Ivytalk wrote:The First Economic Idiot is at it again: tariffs for the grave competition from Argentinian and Brazilian steel, from French cheese( ), and more coming for the Red Chinese. Maybe we can push off the trade deal until after the election. With every tweet, the market gyrates wildly. Maybe we could file a class action against Trump for market manipulation. If he’s shorting the stocks that his tweets are hurting, we could nail him for insider trading as well.
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693D Chess.Ivytalk wrote:The First Economic Idiot is at it again: tariffs for the grave competition from Argentinian and Brazilian steel, from French cheese( ), and more coming for the Red Chinese. Maybe we can push off the trade deal until after the election. With every tweet, the market gyrates wildly. Maybe we could file a class action against Trump for market manipulation. If he’s shorting the stocks that his tweets are hurting, we could nail him for insider trading as well.
Isn't that right SG?
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So we shouldn’t leverage our strengths? Our trade policy before Trump was good for the country as a whole? Shipping (externalities of environmental, health, ecosystem, interventionist foreign policy included) our natural resources to China so they could make a crappy nightstand and ship it back over here to sell at a low price to some low income folks at America’s #1 employer, Walmart makes sense to you?GannonFan wrote:Nah, he's fully onboard with the kalmuism economic theory, he's just leveraging America's strengths for better trade considerations. Kalmie was am economic Trumpster before there even was such a thing.Ivytalk wrote:The First Economic Idiot is at it again: tariffs for the grave competition from Argentinian and Brazilian steel, from French cheese( ), and more coming for the Red Chinese. Maybe we can push off the trade deal until after the election. With every tweet, the market gyrates wildly. Maybe we could file a class action against Trump for market manipulation. If he’s shorting the stocks that his tweets are hurting, we could nail him for insider trading as well.
Ok.
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Ok, Trumpster.kalm wrote:So we shouldn’t leverage our strengths? Our trade policy before Trump was good for the country as a whole? Shipping (externalities of environmental, health, ecosystem, interventionist foreign policy included) our natural resources to China so they could make a crappy nightstand and ship it back over here to sell at a low price to some low income folks at America’s #1 employer, Walmart makes sense to you?GannonFan wrote:
Nah, he's fully onboard with the kalmuism economic theory, he's just leveraging America's strengths for better trade considerations. Kalmie was am economic Trumpster before there even was such a thing.
Ok.
(btw, I'm perfectly fine with some of his trade policies, especially the hard line towards China as well as the pushback on France. He's a buffoon, but that doesn't mean everything he does is foolish, despite his best intentions).
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What natural resources are we shipping to China?kalm wrote:So we shouldn’t leverage our strengths? Our trade policy before Trump was good for the country as a whole? Shipping (externalities of environmental, health, ecosystem, interventionist foreign policy included) our natural resources to China so they could make a crappy nightstand and ship it back over here to sell at a low price to some low income folks at America’s #1 employer, Walmart makes sense to you?GannonFan wrote:
Nah, he's fully onboard with the kalmuism economic theory, he's just leveraging America's strengths for better trade considerations. Kalmie was am economic Trumpster before there even was such a thing.
Ok.
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Nah, forget it, he's on a roll!!!UNI88 wrote:What natural resources are we shipping to China?kalm wrote:
So we shouldn’t leverage our strengths? Our trade policy before Trump was good for the country as a whole? Shipping (externalities of environmental, health, ecosystem, interventionist foreign policy included) our natural resources to China so they could make a crappy nightstand and ship it back over here to sell at a low price to some low income folks at America’s #1 employer, Walmart makes sense to you?
Ok.
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Sort of reminds me of all those resources we went to war in Afghanistan over.GannonFan wrote:Nah, forget it, he's on a roll!!!UNI88 wrote:
What natural resources are we shipping to China?
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So those are the natural resources that the US is shipping to China!CID1990 wrote:Sort of reminds me of all those resources we went to war in Afghanistan over.GannonFan wrote:
Nah, forget it, he's on a roll!!!
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I had a customer that made good money selling lumber to China.UNI88 wrote:What natural resources are we shipping to China?kalm wrote:
So we shouldn’t leverage our strengths? Our trade policy before Trump was good for the country as a whole? Shipping (externalities of environmental, health, ecosystem, interventionist foreign policy included) our natural resources to China so they could make a crappy nightstand and ship it back over here to sell at a low price to some low income folks at America’s #1 employer, Walmart makes sense to you?
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Well, lumber is renewable (we can grow more trees). Is that a problem that we export that? Not like we're shipping them fossil fuels (as far as I know) or rare earth materials or other strategic natural resources.kalm wrote:I had a customer that made good money selling lumber to China.UNI88 wrote:
What natural resources are we shipping to China?
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We ship them coal, oil, copper...GannonFan wrote:Well, lumber is renewable (we can grow more trees). Is that a problem that we export that? Not like we're shipping them fossil fuels (as far as I know) or rare earth materials or other strategic natural resources.kalm wrote:
I had a customer that made good money selling lumber to China.
Lumber is renewable. Old growth forests and biodiversity are not. But that wasn’t my point to begin with as you know.
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How much of those are we shipping to China? 1-2% of our coal exports? How much oil or copper? China prefers to source internally and if necessary deal with suppliers that don't preach to them and that they can bully when needed.kalm wrote:We ship them coal, oil, copper...GannonFan wrote:
Well, lumber is renewable (we can grow more trees). Is that a problem that we export that? Not like we're shipping them fossil fuels (as far as I know) or rare earth materials or other strategic natural resources.
Lumber is renewable. Old growth forests and biodiversity are not. But that wasn’t my point to begin with as you know.
The problem isn't that China is turning our raw materials into crappy items to export to the US. China is "importing" our technology and our production methods so that they can copy them.
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True. The lumber thing just blew me away when I found out about it. I’m pretty this wasn’t what Adam Smith had in mind.UNI88 wrote:How much of those are we shipping to China? 1-2% of our coal exports? How much oil or copper? China prefers to source internally and if necessary deal with suppliers that don't preach to them and that they can bully when needed.kalm wrote:
We ship them coal, oil, copper...
Lumber is renewable. Old growth forests and biodiversity are not. But that wasn’t my point to begin with as you know.
The problem isn't that China is turning our raw materials into crappy items to export to the US. China is "importing" our technology and our production methods so that they can copy them.
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Btw, China is our #1 import market for copper. We send them 100’s of millions worth per year.
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Yes. 220 or 221. Whatever it takes.Ibanez wrote:693D Chess.Ivytalk wrote:The First Economic Idiot is at it again: tariffs for the grave competition from Argentinian and Brazilian steel, from French cheese( ), and more coming for the Red Chinese. Maybe we can push off the trade deal until after the election. With every tweet, the market gyrates wildly. Maybe we could file a class action against Trump for market manipulation. If he’s shorting the stocks that his tweets are hurting, we could nail him for insider trading as well.
Isn't that right SG?
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They can wait out the United States regardless of who gets elected, Democrat or Republican. It's the nature of their system vs. the nature of our system. You're not going to beat them by trying do do what Trump is trying to do.CID1990 wrote:Everybody knows China isn’t going to make major concessions right now because they are hoping to wait Trump out for someone more China friendly
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We’ll wait for the inevitable “China is hacking our elections in favor of Warren OMFG” thread
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Also, the match is a mismatch. The Chinese are WAY smarter than Trump. He is an idiot. He's no match for them.
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Dude. Trump will decouple China from the US if he has to. He's already lined up replacements around the world. We don't need China.JohnStOnge wrote:They can wait out the United States regardless of who gets elected, Democrat or Republican. It's the nature of their system vs. the nature of our system. You're not going to beat them by trying do do what Trump is trying to do.CID1990 wrote:Everybody knows China isn’t going to make major concessions right now because they are hoping to wait Trump out for someone more China friendly
(read: any Dem)
We’ll wait for the inevitable “China is hacking our elections in favor of Warren OMFG” thread
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Also, the match is a mismatch. The Chinese are WAY smarter than Trump. He is an idiot. He's no match for them.
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China's economy is in more trouble than markets thinkJohnStOnge wrote:They can wait out the United States regardless of who gets elected, Democrat or Republican. It's the nature of their system vs. the nature of our system. You're not going to beat them by trying do do what Trump is trying to do.CID1990 wrote:Everybody knows China isn’t going to make major concessions right now because they are hoping to wait Trump out for someone more China friendly
(read: any Dem)
We’ll wait for the inevitable “China is hacking our elections in favor of Warren OMFG” thread
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Also, the match is a mismatch. The Chinese are WAY smarter than Trump. He is an idiot. He's no match for them.
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That could be true.JohnStOnge wrote:They can wait out the United States regardless of who gets elected, Democrat or Republican. It's the nature of their system vs. the nature of our system. You're not going to beat them by trying do do what Trump is trying to do.CID1990 wrote:Everybody knows China isn’t going to make major concessions right now because they are hoping to wait Trump out for someone more China friendly
(read: any Dem)
We’ll wait for the inevitable “China is hacking our elections in favor of Warren OMFG” thread
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Also, the match is a mismatch. The Chinese are WAY smarter than Trump. He is an idiot. He's no match for them.
But your criticisms of the approach have nothing to do with coherence on China and everything to do with your opposition to Trump.
Countering China must be an all fronts effort of which the threat of tarriffs absolutely is a part.
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SeattleGriz wrote:Yes. 220 or 221. Whatever it takes.Ibanez wrote: 693D Chess.
Isn't that right SG?
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