Hilldog's election postmortem

CID1990 · Post by **CID1990** » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:42 pm

JohnStOnge wrote:
kalm wrote:The fact we're even discussing that a democratic socialist could have beat a major party candidate should tell you guys something.
Sanders would have creamed Trump. If you go to the links in the earlier linked article about hypothetical questions you'll see there's disingenuous interpretation involved. There was a poll showing that Sanders would've creamed Trump if he'd been the Democrat nominee and the author of the linked article tried to argue that it wasn't valid because it dealt with a hypothetical. The author linked a 538 article about how polling of hypotheticals CAN be misleading IF the hypothetical deals with an extremely unrealistic scenario. But Sanders running in the general election wasn't an extremely unrealistic scenario.

There's absolutely no basis for disbelieving polls showing that Sanders would've creamed Trump.

Probably not.

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Rob Iola · Post by **Rob Iola** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:38 am

Funny how Trump's becoming more progressive than Hilary could ever hope to be...

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:48 am

Rob Iola wrote:Funny how Trump's becoming more progressive than Hilary could ever hope to be...

Clinton would have signed off on Keystone XL?
Clinton would have nominated Gorsuch and other conservative judges?
Clinton would have pulled out of the Paris deal?
Clinton would have rescinded DACA?
Clinton would have undertaken more of a regulatory roll back than Trump? I mean the left is in a tizzy over Trumps regulatory rollback.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 3614526cbe

Post by **Ibanez** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 11:49 am

BDKJMU wrote:
Rob Iola wrote:Funny how Trump's becoming more progressive than Hilary could ever hope to be...
Clinton would have signed off on Keystone XL?
Clinton would have nominated Gorsuch and other conservative judges?
Clinton would have pulled out of the Paris deal?
Clinton would have rescinded DACA?
Clinton would have undertaken more of a regulatory roll back than Trump? I mean the left is in a tizzy over Trumps regulatory rollback.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 3614526cbe

If Clinton did everything you listed, would that not make her more CONSERVATIVE not PROGRESSIVE?

Rob Iola · Post by **Rob Iola** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:27 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Rob Iola wrote:Funny how Trump's becoming more progressive than Hilary could ever hope to be...
Clinton would have signed off on Keystone XL?
Clinton would have nominated Gorsuch and other conservative judges?
Clinton would have pulled out of the Paris deal?
Clinton would have rescinded DACA?
Clinton would have undertaken more of a regulatory roll back than Trump? I mean the left is in a tizzy over Trumps regulatory rollback.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 3614526cbe

Trump is turning to Dems on taxes and immigration. Everything else is noise.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:35 pm

Rob Iola wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Clinton would have signed off on Keystone XL?
Clinton would have nominated Gorsuch and other conservative judges?
Clinton would have pulled out of the Paris deal?
Clinton would have rescinded DACA?
Clinton would have undertaken more of a regulatory roll back than Trump? I mean the left is in a tizzy over Trumps regulatory rollback.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 3614526cbe
Trump is turning to Dems on taxes and immigration. Everything else is noise.

Taxes and Immigration are going to have to be bipartisan anyway to have any chance to work in the long term - that's the weakness in Obamacare, it wasn't bipartisan and it has an expiration date. If Trump is the price we have to pay to get the two sides to somehow work together and actually produce legislation that isn't terrible then so be it. I didn't vote for him, but there's no doubt in my mind that Clinton would've been completely unable to reach bipartisan agreement on these issues.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:18 pm

Ibanez wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Clinton would have signed off on Keystone XL?
Clinton would have nominated Gorsuch and other conservative judges?
Clinton would have pulled out of the Paris deal?
Clinton would have rescinded DACA?
Clinton would have undertaken more of a regulatory roll back than Trump? I mean the left is in a tizzy over Trumps regulatory rollback.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 3614526cbe
If Clinton did everything you listed, would that not make her more CONSERVATIVE not PROGRESSIVE?

Claim was Trump was more liberal than Hillary- ie Trump was to the left of Clinton, which = Clinton to the right of Trump. If that was actually true, Clinton would have had to have (if elected) taken the above listed actions, and actions to the right of the above.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:23 pm

Rob Iola wrote:
BDKJMU wrote: Clinton would have signed off on Keystone XL?
Clinton would have nominated Gorsuch and other conservative judges?
Clinton would have pulled out of the Paris deal?
Clinton would have rescinded DACA?
Clinton would have undertaken more of a regulatory roll back than Trump? I mean the left is in a tizzy over Trumps regulatory rollback.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... 3614526cbe
Trump is turning to Dems on taxes and immigration. Everything else is noise.

Judicial nominees aren't noise. They're at least as big, if not bigger, than taxes and immigration.

What is noise is 'Trump is turning to Dems on taxes and immigration.' Because all he has done is talk, and his talk is all over the place. One day its to the right, the next day its to the left. We won't know what kind of bills we'll get until we see what Congress passes..

Post by **SDHornet** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:15 pm

CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
She should be pissed off at the DNC, they were the ones that put a republican on the ticket.

Bitch voted for every bombing and pipeline she could but Haiti is when she came out as the conk scum she is.
I love dudes like you Dawg

Guys like you are a dime dozen where I come from

Registered Dem, ornery as hell, vote Dem whenever possible

But independent (and conservative) as hell but would die before admitting it

This. Him and his ilk blindly head to the polls and pull the lever for donk every single time.

Post by **SDHornet** » Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:21 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Rob Iola wrote: Trump is turning to Dems on taxes and immigration. Everything else is noise.
Judicial nominees aren't noise. They're at least as big, if not bigger, than taxes and immigration.

What is noise is 'Trump is turning to Dems on taxes and immigration.' Because all he has done is talk, and his talk is all over the place. One day its to the right, the next day its to the left. We won't know what kind of bills we'll get until we see what Congress passes..

Agree with you about Gorsuch. That's big. When RBG kicks the bucket and another originalist gets on the bench, the leftist agenda will be done for at least a generation and that is HUGE.

Trump ran on some pretty specific platform ideals, and even beat up his fellow primary candidates for talking about doing things he is currently negotiating with the donks on. Spin it however you want but Trump going bipartisan is not what the Trumpers voted him in to do.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 2:19 am

SDHornet wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
I love dudes like you Dawg

Guys like you are a dime dozen where I come from

Registered Dem, ornery as hell, vote Dem whenever possible

But independent (and conservative) as hell but would die before admitting it
This. Him and his ilk blindly head to the polls and pull the lever for donk every single time.

Independent since '72.

GannonFan · Post by **GannonFan** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:34 am

houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote: This. Him and his ilk blindly head to the polls and pull the lever for donk every single time.
Independent since '72.

Independently pulling the Democratic party lever every election since '72?

CitadelGrad · Post by **CitadelGrad** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:07 pm

houndawg wrote:
SDHornet wrote: This. Him and his ilk blindly head to the polls and pull the lever for donk every single time.
Independent since '72.

JESUS H. TITTY-FUCKING CHRIST!!! You aren't fooling anyone.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:55 pm

GannonFan wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Independent since '72.
Independently pulling the Democratic party lever every election since '72?

John Anderson, Ralph Nader, twice, Willie Nelson, thrice, Bernie....

Post by **Ivytalk** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 6:12 pm

houndawg wrote:
GannonFan wrote:
Independently pulling the Democratic party lever every election since '72?
John Anderson, Ralph Nader, twice, Willie Nelson, thrice, Bernie....

Willie fucking Nelson?

I assume you voted for McGovern.

Skjellyfetti · Post by **Skjellyfetti** » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:25 pm

John Anderson?

As in, "blow, blow Seminole wind" - John Anderson?

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:32 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:John Anderson?

As in, "blow, blow Seminole wind" - John Anderson?

I was young.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:17 am

Skjellyfetti wrote:John Anderson?

As in, "blow, blow Seminole wind" - John Anderson?

As in "Mr. Peabody" John Anderson.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:49 am

You can be as snarky as you wanna be but you can't spoil the fun of watching trump turning on the conks that fed him...this is fucking beautiful...first McConnell and Sessions and Ryan (because trump's balls won't lick themselves) then the whole fvcking conk side of the aisle...this is the most entertaining politics of all my borned days.. go Donnie go! Fire Sessions' insubordinate ass! Primary Ryan and McConnell! This shit is fapworthy!

Post by **Ivytalk** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 3:52 am

houndawg wrote:You can be as snarky as you wanna be but you can't spoil the fun of watching trump turning on the conks that fed him...this is **** beautiful...first McConnell and Sessions and Ryan (because trump's balls won't lick themselves) then the whole fvcking conk side of the aisle...this is the most entertaining politics of all my borned days.. go Donnie go! Fire Sessions' insubordinate ass! Primary Ryan and McConnell! This **** is fapworthy!

Maybe you and Jelly should start a fapping contest. Drumpf vs. Russia. Awesome.

houndawg · Post by **houndawg** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:12 am

Ivytalk wrote:
houndawg wrote:You can be as snarky as you wanna be but you can't spoil the fun of watching trump turning on the conks that fed him...this is **** beautiful...first McConnell and Sessions and Ryan (because trump's balls won't lick themselves) then the whole fvcking conk side of the aisle...this is the most entertaining politics of all my borned days.. go Donnie go! Fire Sessions' insubordinate ass! Primary Ryan and McConnell! This **** is fapworthy!
Maybe you and Jelly should start a fapping contest. Drumpf vs. Russia. Awesome.

Can't do it bro. They're on the same side.

For some reason Putin is the one person on planet Earth that trump hasn't a bad word for. Its been the single consistent thing about his whole time in the public arena.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:47 am

I actually saw John B. Anderson at Harvard Law School back in '79, before the press discovered him and he became infatuated with himself. His first impression was pretty good, but he moved steadily leftward. I ended up voting for Reagan in '80. Anybody but Carter, dontcha know.

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