ASUMountaineer wrote:
I do. How do we make it up to those people that we persecuted? How do we make it right? Also, how do we punish the guilty parties?
1 and 2: by giving their progeny compensation.
3: we don't have to punish anyone.
1) What is the appropriate compensation? We can't give them back life. Maybe we can help them preserve the culture and heritage. I'm fine with that. That's important and it is part of our American heritage.
Should we do the same for blacks? I tell you what, let's locate the families of slave owners and have them pay an extra tax to be given out to those blacks that can prove they are descendants of slaves. I'm sure some black people will by very upset to get that tax bill, but hey their fathers shouldn't have owned slaves. I'm sure many will not like being treated differently or paying for the sins of their fathers. But, as long as the money comes from former slave holding families, I'm for it. My family never owned slaves, so I won't worry. Citdog might sweat it.
While we're at it, i'd like to track down the family of the Union soldier that murdered my Great-great-great-great Grand daddy in August 1865. You know, my family deserves compensation.
89Hen wrote:
1 and 2: by giving their progeny compensation.
3: we don't have to punish anyone.
1) What is the appropriate compensation? We can't give them back life. Maybe we can help them preserve the culture and heritage. I'm fine with that. That's important and it is part of our American heritage.
Should we do the same for blacks? I tell you what, let's locate the families of slave owners and have them pay an extra tax to be given out to those blacks that can prove they are descendants of slaves. I'm sure some black people will by very upset to get that tax bill, but hey their fathers shouldn't have owned slaves. I'm sure many will not like being treated differently or paying for the sins of their fathers. But, as long as the money comes from former slave holding families, I'm for it. My family never owned slaves, so I won't worry. Citdog might sweat it.
While we're at it, i'd like to track down the family of the Union soldier that murdered my Great-great-great-great Grand daddy in August 1865. You know, my family deserves compensation.
It's become clear you don't understand the basic premise of this issue.
Ibanez wrote:1) There is new research showing they were NOT here first. In fact, some of this research suggests Europeans found their way over thousands of years BEFORE the migration across the land bridge. THey wren't here first. They were just here already. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... yages.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2) Their culture continues to exist, thanks to the BIA and the tribes. That's a good thing.
3) Then why aren't the Europeans dealing with them as well as Americans?
What was that statement from the 1950s, separate but equal?
93henfan wrote:I support Kent and Sussex Counties of Delaware and all Maryland and Virginia Counties of the Delmarva Peninsula seceding from the United States to form The Republic of Delmarva.
We will give preferential treatment to Native Americans and pursue nuclear weapons. We may also use chemical weapons on the Maryland Counties if they do not produce enough blue crabs.
Ibanez wrote:They get special treatment because of a bloodline? A highly diluted bloodline?
YES and it's because of how their anscestors were treated that their bloodline is so diluted. THAT'S THE POINT STICKY!!!
That isn't the point. The point is why must you and I, people so far removed from the events, continue to pay for people who themselves are so far removed from the events. I think it's ridiculous. there is no need to treat them differently. They have equal access and protections under the law. They are American citizens.
Go to Cherokee, NC. The only way you can tell the "Native" Americans from the evil, dreaded white "Native Americans" are the headdresses and names like, "Running Bear." Preserve the culture, but don't treat them differently.
My ancestors were pulled from their homes, maybe the English will give me something special.
89Hen wrote:
That's up to them but I don't know why you insist on using such AZ-like analogies.
Keep saying it's not the point, but it is.
It's similar, that's why. They were driven from their homes from the Brits.
You have a right to your opinion.
Not truly similar, but it's irrelevant. I don't live in the UK. They can do whatever they want. This has no more bearing on the discussion than a group of tigers eating an antelope in Zambia.
ASUMountaineer wrote:
I do. How do we make it up to those people that we persecuted? How do we make it right? Also, how do we punish the guilty parties?
1 and 2: by giving their progeny compensation.
3: we don't have to punish anyone.
Good luck forcing people who never committed said atrocities to pay people for atrocities they never endured.
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Ibanez wrote:
1) There is new research showing they were NOT here first. In fact, some of this research suggests Europeans found their way over thousands of years BEFORE the migration across the land bridge. THey wren't here first. They were just here already. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... yages.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That is not even close to being accepted by archaeologists. It's based mostly on typological similarities between stone tools found in France on the east coast of the US.
There is one single piece of hard evidence linking the two -- a biface found in an 17th century homestead. The flint matches flint from France and not from North America. BUT, its context does not prove humans migrated from Europe to the America's 20kya -- only that there is a biface in a 17th century Virginia homestead that came from France.
Was it brought over by a historic European settler or was it brought over 20kya? We don't know.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -- and there is hardly any evidence at all here.
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Ibanez wrote:
Why should they and not the blacks, or the Irish or any other group that Americans terrorized and screwed over?
Because:
1) They were here first
2) Their culture exists nowhere else - there is still an Ireland, Africa, etc for that culture
3) What Europeans did to the Native Population (and is still doing, in some cases) is 100x what happened to anyone else.
4) Did I mention they were here first?
The biggest reason is that they were put on reservations that became smaller and smaller depending on what natural resources that were found on or near the reservation. Many of the shrunken reservations are in desolate locations that no one else wanted to live. The US government convinced the tribes that this was their land vs flat out calling them internment camps without fences. Casino's have brought change to many reservations, but there are still places that are too far away from population centers to support a casino. My buddy from Pine Ridge, SD, has some pretty sad stories about growing up on the Rez. He was able to get out and assimilate into the great white society.
How.
