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Ivytalk wrote:Next year's "fall" Dover race will be the first weekend in October. :nod:
Yep. May and October. Largest spread I can ever remember. When I was a kid the races were always mid-May and mid-Sep and they always started at 12:05 pm. Even then, some races would last to 5pm. Those were grueling races on the old asphalt surface. Lots of relief drivers were used back then. I remember the drivers taking off their open face helmets and being covered in grime.

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93henfan wrote:No. Clean break between rounds. Top 12 have points reset. All winners of next three races move to the round of 8, along with obviously the highest in points to round out the eight slots.
Boo, this fucking sucks. Just looked and you weren't kidding about reset. All 12 start on equal footing?? WTF?! :dunce: :tothehand:
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Yeah. At a minimum, the 3 who just won the last 3 races should get some sort of advantage. Guess these are true playoffs and not an extension of the regular season. If they wanted to do it that way, they should have done the same in the previous round.
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tribe_pride wrote:Yeah. At a minimum, the 3 who just won the last 3 races should get some sort of advantage. Guess these are true playoffs and not an extension of the regular season.
Yeah, but racing is not like other sports. You could have another car take you out in the first lap and you're done for the standings. I thought this was going to be more like the PGA tour "playoffs" where they keep their stats going. This absolutely blows.
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89Hen wrote:
tribe_pride wrote:Yeah. At a minimum, the 3 who just won the last 3 races should get some sort of advantage. Guess these are true playoffs and not an extension of the regular season.
Yeah, but racing is not like other sports. You could have another car take you out in the first lap and you're done for the standings. I thought this was going to be more like the PGA tour "playoffs" where they keep their stats going. This absolutely blows.
Agreed. In reality, they just wanted to make sure that the final race means something to determine the winner.
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tribe_pride wrote:Yeah. At a minimum, the 3 who just won the last 3 races should get some sort of advantage. Guess these are true playoffs and not an extension of the regular season.
Yeah, but racing is not like other sports. You could have another car take you out in the first lap and you're done for the standings. I thought this was going to be more like the PGA tour "playoffs" where they keep their stats going. This absolutely blows.
Exactly. At the start of the chase there it was 2k points for each driver + 3 bonus points for each win.
CHASE FOR THE SPRINT CUP STANDINGS – WEEK ONE (MyAFIBStory.com 400 at Chicagoland)
1. 2- Brad Keselowski, 2012 (4 regular season wins)
2. 24-Jeff Gordon, 2009 (3 regular season wins)
3. 88-Dale Earnhardt Jr., 2009 (3 regular season wins)
4. 48-Jimmie Johnson, 2009 (3 regular season wins)
5. 22-Joey Logano, 2009 (3 regular season wins)
6. 4-Kevin Harvick, 2006 (2 regular season wins)
7. 99-Carl Edwards, 2006 (2 regular season wins)
8. 18-Kyle Busch, 2003 (1 regular season win)
9. 11-Denny Hamlin, 2003 (1 regular season win)
10. 41-Kurt Busch, 2003 (1 regular season win)
11. 5-Kasey Kahne, 2003 (1 regular season win)
12. 43-Aric Almirola, 2003 (1 regular season win)
13. 47-A.J. Allmendinger, 2003 (1 regular season win)
14. 20-Matt Kenseth, 2000
15. 16-Greg Biffle, 2000
16. 31-Ryan Newman, 2000

To have every driver at 3k points with no bonus points for each win is asinine. That means a driver with 1 win is oput on the same standing as a driver with 3-5 wins. What would make sense if not continuing with the 3 bonus points for each win for the round of 12, then could do 2, then 1 bonus point for each win with the round of 8, then no bonus points for each win for the final 4/final race.
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How many Chase drivers will Danica take out before it's all over?
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CAA Flagship wrote:How many Chase drivers will Danica take out before it's all over?
I forget where it was in the race (maybe BDK can help if he was also looking at her car at the time), but she got sideways once and made slight contact with another driver during the Dover race Sunday but recovered. I think it was near Junior, because that's my guy and who I'm watching about 75% of the race.
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CAA Flagship wrote:How many Chase drivers will Danica take out before it's all over?
I forget where it was in the race (maybe BDK can help if he was also looking at her car at the time), but she got sideways once and made slight contact with another driver during the Dover race Sunday but recovered. I think it was near Junior, because that's my guy and who I'm watching about 75% of the race.
Yeah I remember that. Coming out of turn 2 as I recall. Can't rember who with. Truex might have tapped her in the ass going into 2 that got her loose, but I can't say for sure.
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BDKJMU wrote:
93henfan wrote:
I forget where it was in the race (maybe BDK can help if he was also looking at her car at the time), but she got sideways once and made slight contact with another driver during the Dover race Sunday but recovered. I think it was near Junior, because that's my guy and who I'm watching about 75% of the race.
Yeah I remember that. Coming out of turn 2 as I recall. Can't rember who with. Truex might have tapped her in the ass going into 2 that got her loose, but I can't say for sure.
That does sound about right, and you said "tapped her in the ass". Huh huh huh.
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93henfan wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Yeah I remember that. Coming out of turn 2 as I recall. Can't rember who with. Truex might have tapped her in the ass going into 2 that got her loose, but I can't say for sure.
That does sound about right, and you said "tapped her in the ass". Huh huh huh.
"....Patrick, driver of the No. 10 GoDaddy Chevrolet SS for Stewart-Haas Racing (SHR), started 13th and was in the top-20 for much of the first 70 laps. She was in 19th place on lap 71 when her car was hit from behind by the machine of Martin Truex Jr. The contact moved her car up the racetrack and caused her to fall to 24th place.

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Jimmie Johnson ran 30th on his first lap in qualifying. Complained car was loose. Knauss and team make adjustments, Johnson comes back out on track and spins just now. Great driving keeps it off the wall.
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Big development: Jimmie Johnson taken out early at Kansas. A very big blow to his championship chances.
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And now Jr blows a right front tire while leading the race. Johnson and Jr, barring wins in the next two races, likely done for the year.

Brilliant work NASCAR. Two of your most poular drivers likely eliminated by a WWE Mickey Mouse format. :ohno:
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Gotta throw all my support behind Jeff Gordon now.
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93henfan wrote:And now Jr blows a right front tire while leading the race. Johnson and Jr, barring wins in the next two races, likely done for the year.

Brilliant work NASCAR. Two of your most poular drivers likely eliminated by a WWE Mickey Mouse format. :ohno:
This is a joke. You have guys with NO wins (Newman only 2 top 5's) in and guys with 3-5 wins out. :dunce: :thumbdown:
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93henfan wrote:And now Jr blows a right front tire while leading the race. Johnson and Jr, barring wins in the next two races, likely done for the year.

Brilliant work NASCAR. Two of your most poular drivers likely eliminated by a WWE Mickey Mouse format. :ohno:
This is a joke. You have guys with NO wins (Newman only 2 top 5's) in and guys with 3-5 wins out. :dunce: :thumbdown:


Kinda like MLB - KC barely squeaks into the playoffs, takes out the winningest team (Angels). The Angels should have been spotted at least a game as a reward for their regular season.


And not to mention that the two most popular teams in MLB were eliminated BEFORE the playoffs. The Yankees and the Red Sox should always receive a bid.
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89Hen wrote: This is a joke. You have guys with NO wins (Newman only 2 top 5's) in and guys with 3-5 wins out. :dunce: :thumbdown:


Kinda like MLB - KC barely squeaks into the playoffs, takes out the winningest team (Angels). The Angels should have been spotted at least a game as a reward for their regular season.


And not to mention that the two most popular teams in MLB were eliminated BEFORE the playoffs. The Yankees and the Red Sox should always receive a bid.
Not like that at all Jon. KC beat the Angels head to head. No other team had any impact on that. There weren't 20 other teams out there running interference on either of them. The Angels were also spotted home field advantage.
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The guy tied for most wins this season and the 2nd most top 5s may be out to with Keselowski as well.
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tribe_pride wrote:The guy tied for most wins this season and the 2nd most top 5s may be out to with Keselowski as well.
Yep, he had tire trouble too.

How can Goodyear bring an obviously fragile tire to such a critical race? Earnhardt Jr, Logano, and Keselowski (in that order - I watched every lap) were the class of the field yesterday and two of them crash due to tire failure. And the tire failure was not caused by debris. The tires simply disintegrated. Jr. said he was in turn three watching the tire unravel and by turn four in popped and he went straight into the wall. Unreal.
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89Hen wrote:
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Kinda like MLB - KC barely squeaks into the playoffs, takes out the winningest team (Angels). The Angels should have been spotted at least a game as a reward for their regular season.


And not to mention that the two most popular teams in MLB were eliminated BEFORE the playoffs. The Yankees and the Red Sox should always receive a bid.
Not like that at all Jon. KC beat the Angels head to head. No other team had any impact on that. There weren't 20 other teams out there running interference on either of them. The Angels were also spotted home field advantage.

So you are against any type of NASCAR "Chase" - should revert back solely to the way it was, regular season only?
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89Hen wrote: Not like that at all Jon. KC beat the Angels head to head. No other team had any impact on that. There weren't 20 other teams out there running interference on either of them. The Angels were also spotted home field advantage.

So you are against any type of NASCAR "Chase" - should revert back solely to the way it was, regular season only?
I am in favor of the format that worked for 50 years, yes.

Jeff Gordon was denied three championships due to the new format.
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dbackjon wrote:
89Hen wrote: Not like that at all Jon. KC beat the Angels head to head. No other team had any impact on that. There weren't 20 other teams out there running interference on either of them. The Angels were also spotted home field advantage.

So you are against any type of NASCAR "Chase" - should revert back solely to the way it was, regular season only?
Not sure, but I know this version is stupid. You could go 2nd, 2nd and get wrecked by somebody of the first lap and miss the next round where somebody else goes 12, 12, 12 and makes it. No thanks.
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89Hen wrote:
dbackjon wrote:

So you are against any type of NASCAR "Chase" - should revert back solely to the way it was, regular season only?
Not sure, but I know this version is stupid. You could go 2nd, 2nd and get wrecked by somebody of the first lap and miss the next round where somebody else goes 12, 12, 12 and makes it. No thanks.
You could go 20, 20, 20 and likely make it. Keep in mind that the non-chasers who finish better don't count.
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93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: Not sure, but I know this version is stupid. You could go 2nd, 2nd and get wrecked by somebody of the first lap and miss the next round where somebody else goes 12, 12, 12 and makes it. No thanks.
You could go 20, 20, 20 and likely make it. Keep in mind that the non-chasers who finish better don't count.
The PGA Tour format is better (still is pretty dumb to call it playoffs). They cut the field each week as to who is eligible, but it's based on the full year standings.

How about cutting the field down over the last three or four races to you eventually get to 20 cars in the last race? Points keep going.
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