What to do with Colgate?

[putter]

some of us saw the Colgate game on Thursday and I agree, they played terrible but they won. With so many upsets in the top 30 or so, will some of you keep them ranked? I was really thinking about dropping them after watching the game, but with so many teams losing I am not sure I can find enought teams to rank to leave them out.. What do you think?

[dbackjon]

I haven't analyzed all the games yet, but right now, they are out. Neither they or HC are top 40 material - both would have a hard time beating Idaho State.

[AZGrizFan]

I haven't analyzed all the games yet, but right now, they are out. Neither they or HC are top 40 material - both would have a hard time beating Idaho State.

It's just really hard to go rank some 2-3 team in 5th place in CAA North over a 6-0 team. Plus, like I said in my other thread, I'm already going to have 6 new teams, if I take out Colgate that would make SEVEN new teams....might as well pull names out of a hat for the last 10 spots.

[dbackjon]

I haven't analyzed all the games yet, but right now, they are out. Neither they or HC are top 40 material - both would have a hard time beating Idaho State.

It's just really hard to go rank some 2-3 team in 5th place in CAA North over a 6-0 team. Plus, like I said in my other thread, I'm already going to have 6 new teams, if I take out Colgate that would make SEVEN new teams....might as well pull names out of a hat for the last 10 spots.

There are at least 4 teams in the Big Sky with better resumes. Heck SUU has a better resume.

Don't overlook Morgan State in the MEAC - they did beat Towson, and has one loss.

[JALMOND]

I don't know. I use Crest, myself.

Hard to look past 6-0 in an autobid conference. I kept them in mine, but they did drop. Not to ruffle Eagle feathers, but Eastern Washington did not look impressive in what was really their first tough game all year. Obviously, Montana State will not stay in, either. The way things shook out, I was able to find a place for a 6-0 autobid team.

[Franks Tanks]

I haven't analyzed all the games yet, but right now, they are out. Neither they or HC are top 40 material - both would have a hard time beating Idaho State.

Sorry not true.

Holy Cross crushed Northeastern-- I understand Northeastern is bad, but no worse than Idaho State.

Brown also beat URI.

The Ivy and Patriot is down a bit, but they are still beating some CAA teams (albeit bottom feeders of the CAA)

[Monarch Nation]

Sorry. I'm in a silly mood and couldn't resist.

[clenz]

Drop them. I have punishing teams for a win but they are going to get punished for that showing.

[AZGrizFan]

I don't know. I use Crest, myself.

Hard to look past 6-0 in an autobid conference. I kept them in mine, but they did drop. Not to ruffle Eagle feathers, but Eastern Washington did not look impressive in what was really their first tough game all year. Obviously, Montana State will not stay in, either. The way things shook out, I was able to find a place for a 6-0 autobid team.

The way I look at it, jalmond, is this: Would Colgate beat MSU or EWU straight up. I don't think so. Thus, they're rated below those two teams despite each of their respective records and/or showing last week.

[JALMOND]

I don't know. I use Crest, myself.

Hard to look past 6-0 in an autobid conference. I kept them in mine, but they did drop. Not to ruffle Eagle feathers, but Eastern Washington did not look impressive in what was really their first tough game all year. Obviously, Montana State will not stay in, either. The way things shook out, I was able to find a place for a 6-0 autobid team.

The way I look at it, jalmond, is this: Would Colgate beat MSU or EWU straight up. I don't think so. Thus, they're rated below those two teams despite each of their respective records and/or showing last week.

That is your opinion and that is fine. Before the Patriot starts to consistently play the Big Sky, no one really knows how they would do heads up. For me, 6-0 in an autobid conference (the Patriot is not the strongest autobid conference, but an autobid nonetheless) is enough for me to keep them included, over Montana State or Eastern Washington. From what I saw of Eastern's offense, they would have a tough time beating Western Washington (and they don't even have a team anymore). Colgate is 6-0 with all wins over FCS teams. They still have to play both Holy Cross and Lafayette on the road (the Princeton game was only their second on the road). I say it will all work itself out in the wash.

[AZGrizFan]

The way I look at it, jalmond, is this: Would Colgate beat MSU or EWU straight up. I don't think so. Thus, they're rated below those two teams despite each of their respective records and/or showing last week.

That is your opinion and that is fine. Before the Patriot starts to consistently play the Big Sky, no one really knows how they would do heads up. For me, 6-0 in an autobid conference (the Patriot is not the strongest autobid conference, but an autobid nonetheless) is enough for me to keep them included, over Montana State or Eastern Washington. From what I saw of Eastern's offense, they would have a tough time beating Western Washington (and they don't even have a team anymore). Colgate is 6-0 with all wins over FCS teams. They still have to play both Holy Cross and Lafayette on the road (the Princeton game was only their second on the road). I say it will all work itself out in the wash.

Everything you're saying is true, but Eastern & MSU would ALSO be 6-0 if their schedule consisted of Monmouth, Stonybrook, Dartmouth, Fordham, Cornell & Princeton.

[JMU DJ]

Colgate has been all the way to the NC before, no reason to think they couldn't do it again.

[Eric]

I was kind of wondering this myself. I saw the score on ESPNU and was pretty shocked since Princeton got dominated by Columbia a couple weeks ago.

[JALMOND]

That is your opinion and that is fine. Before the Patriot starts to consistently play the Big Sky, no one really knows how they would do heads up. For me, 6-0 in an autobid conference (the Patriot is not the strongest autobid conference, but an autobid nonetheless) is enough for me to keep them included, over Montana State or Eastern Washington. From what I saw of Eastern's offense, they would have a tough time beating Western Washington (and they don't even have a team anymore). Colgate is 6-0 with all wins over FCS teams. They still have to play both Holy Cross and Lafayette on the road (the Princeton game was only their second on the road). I say it will all work itself out in the wash.

Everything you're saying is true, but Eastern & MSU would ALSO be 6-0 if their schedule consisted of Monmouth, Stonybrook, Dartmouth, Fordham, Cornell & Princeton.

Its not like they played East Stroudsburg or Susquehanna. Montana State struggled to get past DII DIxie State, who is not having a stellar season in DII this year. 6-0 against a totally FCS schedule is pretty darn good at this point. It's not like they've played a Pioneer slate.

[AZGrizFan]

Everything you're saying is true, but Eastern & MSU would ALSO be 6-0 if their schedule consisted of Monmouth, Stonybrook, Dartmouth, Fordham, Cornell & Princeton.

Its not like they played East Stroudsburg or Susquehanna. Montana State struggled to get past DII DIxie State, who is not having a stellar season in DII this year. 6-0 against a totally FCS schedule is pretty darn good at this point. It's not like they've played a Pioneer slate.

Hey, Monmouth and Stonybrook aren't much better. Hell, even Idaho State would go 3-3 with that schedule.

[native]

The way I look at it, jalmond, is this: Would Colgate beat MSU or EWU straight up. I don't think so. Thus, they're rated below those two teams despite each of their respective records and/or showing last week.

That is your opinion and that is fine. Before the Patriot starts to consistently play the Big Sky, no one really knows how they would do heads up. For me, 6-0 in an autobid conference (the Patriot is not the strongest autobid conference, but an autobid nonetheless) is enough for me to keep them included, over Montana State or Eastern Washington. From what I saw of Eastern's offense, they would have a tough time beating Western Washington (and they don't even have a team anymore). Colgate is 6-0 with all wins over FCS teams. They still have to play both Holy Cross and Lafayette on the road (the Princeton game was only their second on the road). I say it will all work itself out in the wash.

Unfortunately it won't work itself out until the Patriot AQ is crushed in the first round of the playoffs.

[AZGrizFan]

That is your opinion and that is fine. Before the Patriot starts to consistently play the Big Sky, no one really knows how they would do heads up. For me, 6-0 in an autobid conference (the Patriot is not the strongest autobid conference, but an autobid nonetheless) is enough for me to keep them included, over Montana State or Eastern Washington. From what I saw of Eastern's offense, they would have a tough time beating Western Washington (and they don't even have a team anymore). Colgate is 6-0 with all wins over FCS teams. They still have to play both Holy Cross and Lafayette on the road (the Princeton game was only their second on the road). I say it will all work itself out in the wash.

Unfortunately it won't work itself out until the Patriot AQ is crushed in the first round of the playoffs by one of the CAA teams, where it (the Patriot AQ) serves as the CAA cupcake of the week in the playoffs.

FIFY

[native]

Unfortunately it won't work itself out until the Patriot AQ is crushed in the first round of the playoffs by one of the CAA teams, where it (the Patriot AQ) serves as the CAA cupcake of the week in the playoffs.

FIFY

I do not blame any homer for standing up for their team or conference, but neither these arguments or waiting until the post season are satisfactory. Since we have so few regular season head-to-head inter-conference contests upon which to base logical opinions, I like to consult the computer ratings which take so many different data points into account.

[danefan]

FIFY

I do not blame any homer for standing up for their team or conference, but neither these arguments or waiting until the post season are satisfactory. Since we have so few regular season head-to-head inter-conference contests upon which to base logical opinions, I like to consult the computer ratings which take so many different data points into account.

Something interesting for you to read:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.co ... mbers.html

I don't like the GPI, but some people like to use computer numbers to prop up their arguments. For those of you who like computers, maybe you should take a look at this before you continue to vote for Colgate to keep rising in our Top 25.

[putter]

That is an interesting, and honest, read about the PL. Puts it into perspective

[Franks Tanks]

I do not blame any homer for standing up for their team or conference, but neither these arguments or waiting until the post season are satisfactory. Since we have so few regular season head-to-head inter-conference contests upon which to base logical opinions, I like to consult the computer ratings which take so many different data points into account.

Something interesting for you to read:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.co ... mbers.html

I don't like the GPI, but some people like to use computer numbers to prop up their arguments. For those of you who like computers, maybe you should take a look at this before you continue to vote for Colgate to keep rising in our Top 25.

I would like to see a similar assesment of the NEC-- how many top 50 GPI wins has the NEC had thus far??

Also yes I would like to see the PL play more CAA teams, but the Ivies are our traditional rivals. Its not like Lafayette just started playing Penn or Colgate Cornell because we thought they would be bad this year-- these teams have met upwards of 70-80 times.

[danefan]

Something interesting for you to read:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.co ... mbers.html

I don't like the GPI, but some people like to use computer numbers to prop up their arguments. For those of you who like computers, maybe you should take a look at this before you continue to vote for Colgate to keep rising in our Top 25.

I would like to see a similar assesment of the NEC-- how many top 50 GPI wins has the NEC had thus far??

I'd bet you'd find something very similar to the results of the PL analysis. You'd probably find the same thing for the Big South and MEAC as well.

[AZGrizFan]

I do not blame any homer for standing up for their team or conference, but neither these arguments or waiting until the post season are satisfactory. Since we have so few regular season head-to-head inter-conference contests upon which to base logical opinions, I like to consult the computer ratings which take so many different data points into account.

Something interesting for you to read:

http://lehighfootballnation.blogspot.co ... mbers.html

I don't like the GPI, but some people like to use computer numbers to prop up their arguments. For those of you who like computers, maybe you should take a look at this before you continue to vote for Colgate to keep rising in our Top 25.

Agreed. And this is precisely WHY 22 of the 25 spots in my poll went to 5 conferences.

[weberwildcat]

No need for Colgate to drop in the polls for winning. As long as your still winning how can you drop? Or was it the mistake of the voters having you to high to begin with?

You can't automatically assume they aren't good because of a weak schedule. Let them prove they can't win on the field.

Utah and Boise St have had weak schedules and look what they've done these past yrs.

Give Colgate a chance.

[clenz]

I dropped them. It was my mistake for putting them as highly as I did, and I'll gladly admit that. Ap. State moved from 25 to 15 in my poll this week.


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