What Would You Do...

[93henfan]

...if your team failed to make the playoffs in six of the next eight seasons?

Would you fire the coach or let him continue to earn one of the highest compensation packages (if not the highest at $300K+) in FCS?

Please vote and discuss.

[Ivytalk]

When is his contract up?

[93henfan]

When is his contract up?

This particular hypothetical coach is currently in the fifth year of a ten year extension. Signed through 2017 season.

[Ivytalk]

I would hypothetically fire him and hypothetically eat the remaining five years. Then I'd hypothetically get somebody else.

[CAA Flagship]

It hypothetically depends on whether the hypothetical program has the hypothetical tools (cash money) to hypothetically perform better. If so, then the hypothetical coach of the hypothetical program is hypothetically underachieving.

That, and find some offensive linemen.

[93henfan]

Man, everyone on GoHens has gone emo, and most of them are 50+ year old men.

Here's a sampling of the thread titles:

[Ivytalk]

Man, everyone on GoHens has gone emo, and most of them are 50+ year old men.

Here's a sampling of the thread titles:

50+ year-old men? As in Alumni Donors?

[93henfan]

I'm an Alumni Donor. Those guys are closer to being Organ Donors.

[CAA Flagship]

I'm an Alumni Donor. Those guys are closer to being Organ Donors.

[EWURanger]

I think the question is relative to what program you are a fan of.

If we are talking an upper echelon FCS program that has a history of winning and all the tools to be competitive, then I think the answer is obvious.

However, if we're talking about a program that is in re-building mode, trying to improve APR, or whatever, I think it's not so cut and dry.

It's all relative to what the program's short-term and long-term goals are.

[93henfan]

I think the question is relative to what program you are a fan of.

If we are talking an upper echelon FCS program that has a history of winning and all the tools to be competitive, then I think the answer is obvious.

However, if we're talking about a program that is in re-building mode, trying to improve APR, or whatever, I think it's not so cut and dry.

It's all relative to what the program's short-term and long-term goals are.

OK. Hypothetical coach has succeeded three consecutive hypothetical coaches in the hypothetical College Football Hall of Fame, the last one with 300 wins. Those three coaches had 49 winning seasons in their 59 seasons of football before this coach. I hope that clarifies things.

[Pwns]

Delaware has been THE most unpredictable roller-coaster team in the FCS since Tubby retired. On most preseasons a 5-win season and a 12-win season seem like reasonable predictions. I attribute this to one thing...KC Keeler's repeatedly rolling the dice with transfer QBs. In baseball terms, it is essentially swinging at almost anything thrown at you. You will hit more home runs (Devlin, Flacco) but you will strike out a lot more.

This year UD's starting QB is a second-string (I assume) guy from a MAC team. Why? Couldn't find QBs at Conference USA school? It's enough of a gamble to take a guy from a major BCS program, but a MAC QB?

[93henfan]

Delaware has been THE most unpredictable roller-coaster team in the FCS since Tubby retired. On most preseasons a 5-win season and a 12-win season seem like reasonable predictions. I attribute this to one thing...KC Keeler's repeatedly rolling the dice with transfer QBs. In baseball terms, it is essentially swinging at almost anything thrown at you. You will hit more home runs (Devlin, Flacco) but you will strike out a lot more.

This year UD's starting QB is a second-string (I assume) guy from a MAC team. Why? Couldn't find QBs at Conference USA school? It's enough of a gamble to take a guy from a major BCS program, but a MAC QB?

I would submit that the transfer QBs may mask a greater problem with recruiting across the board. The guy won a championship with Tubby's recruits. He has gone deep in the playoffs twice since then, both times with transfer QBs who are now on NFL rosters. Neither were able to bring home a trophy. In the meantime, six seasons of the past eight with no playoffs, barring finishing 4-1 this season, which I just don't see happening. Take away the three automatic (usually) wins UD schedules to open each season and Keeler's record is pedestrian at best.

[ChickenMan]

If KC's talents matched his arrogance, UD would never miss the playoffs.

[93henfan]

If KC's talents matched his arrogance, UD would never miss the playoffs.

Holy Christ, I just turned signatures back on today.

If KC's talents matched that rack....

[Ivytalk]

I'm an Alumni Donor. Those guys are closer to being Organ Donors.

OK. As in MAJOR alumni donors.

[93henfan]

I'm an Alumni Donor. Those guys are closer to being Organ Donors.

OK. As in MAJOR alumni donors.

Dude. Compound interest is my friend.

Spoiler: show

Child support is my enemy.

[grizzaholic]

I would donate more. That will surely fix the problem.

[grizzaholic]

If KC's talents matched his arrogance, UD would never miss the playoffs.

Holy Christ, I just turned signatures back on today.

If KC's talents matched that rack....

[bluehenbillk]

I'm thinking by the end of this season I'll be wearing a paper bag on my head that says "Keeler head"

[93henfan]

Holy Christ, I just turned signatures back on today.

If KC's talents matched that rack....

I saw your silo. Funny shit, especially because it was real. Looked fake as hell until I saw the YouTube vid.

[89Hen]

I guess the coach has to take the blame when the team does poorly, but that ugly loss Saturday was three things:

- Defense couldn't tackle, especially #4 (missed THREE tackles on the first drive)
- Hurley is a fucking idiot. It's understandable to have 2-3 sacks a game because of good coverage, but throw the damn ball away. He also seems to think he's going to be graded on how hard he can throw the ball to a wide open receiver.
- When you're playing a team with a smaller, faster D-line, don't run belly options 20 yards across the line of scrimmage. Blast it up the damn middle.

[tampajag]

...if your team failed to make the playoffs in six of the next eight seasons?

Would you fire the coach or let him continue to earn one of the highest compensation packages (if not the highest at $300K+) in FCS?

Please vote and discuss.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that coach would be safe at Southern

[89Hen]

I guess the coach has to take the blame when the team does poorly, but that ugly loss Saturday was three things:

- Defense couldn't tackle, especially #4 (missed THREE tackles on the first drive)
- Hurley is a fucking idiot. It's understandable to have 2-3 sacks a game because of good coverage, but throw the damn ball away. He also seems to think he's going to be graded on how hard he can throw the ball to a wide open receiver.
- When you're playing a team with a smaller, faster D-line, don't run belly options 20 yards across the line of scrimmage. Blast it up the damn middle.

BTW, refs didn't help either. Two mystery personal fouls, a phantom tip for no pass interference and a TD before the fumble by Sasek at the goalline.

[GannonFan]

Delaware has been THE most unpredictable roller-coaster team in the FCS since Tubby retired. On most preseasons a 5-win season and a 12-win season seem like reasonable predictions. I attribute this to one thing...KC Keeler's repeatedly rolling the dice with transfer QBs. In baseball terms, it is essentially swinging at almost anything thrown at you. You will hit more home runs (Devlin, Flacco) but you will strike out a lot more.

This year UD's starting QB is a second-string (I assume) guy from a MAC team. Why? Couldn't find QBs at Conference USA school? It's enough of a gamble to take a guy from a major BCS program, but a MAC QB?

I would submit that the transfer QBs may mask a greater problem with recruiting across the board. The guy won a championship with Tubby's recruits. He has gone deep in the playoffs twice since then, both times with transfer QBs who are now on NFL rosters. Neither were able to bring home a trophy. In the meantime, six seasons of the past eight with no playoffs, barring finishing 4-1 this season, which I just don't see happening. Take away the three automatic (usually) wins UD schedules to open each season and Keeler's record is pedestrian at best.

I agree (at least I think you're saying that) that the QB issue is not really an issue. People talk about it and the reliance on transfer QB's, but UD's had good to great QB play in 8 of KC Keeler's first 10 years. You could make a pretty good argument that UD has had the best 10 year run of QB production of any program in FCS during that time.

So, getting to your point, if we're doing great at the QB position, why all the lack of wins? Obviously, we're not recruiting/coaching up enough at the other positions. Maybe it's recruiting, maybe it's coaching, maybe it's scheme, but whatever it is, it isn't working and ultimately the coach is the one responsible to make it work.

People like to talk about the transfers at QB, but if UD did everything else as well as it has attracted QB's in the past 10 years, we'd be talking about multiple titles rather than just one. Something else that has nothing to do with the QB's and where they come from is the real problem.