FCSRecruiting grades the classes.

[Tribe4SF]

These guys have taken on the monumental job of ranking every recruit by studying video, and gathering the usual research from other recruiting sites. First up is their analysis of W&M's class. Next out will be Montana and Villanova. I've posted their scoring grid, which gives some meaning to their numerical scores.

FCSRecruiting Rating System
Okay fans, we have tinkered with several different models and have settled on what we think is a reasonable ranking system. It's not perfect but this system will allow us to adequately categorize what we research and see on video. The description for each category is general in nature and not an absolute predictor of a particular player's future. There are players who physically develop later than others and we understand that programs do matter. An elite program, that has time and resources to redshirt and develop, may take more chances on young men who fall into our lower categories. We also understand that lesser programs will take chances on better talent that may have injuries, shaky character or grade issues. Unfortunately we don't have access to transcripts or medical history so those issues will not be factored in.

50 -- Premium, elite recruit...potential 4-year starter from day one...multiple All-Conference selections likely...multiple All-American selections possible...potential Payton/Buchanan candidate/winner at some point in career.

45 -- Premium, elite recruit...potential 4-year starter...multiple All-Conference selections likely...potential All-American...potential Payton/Buchanan candidate.

40 -- Premium, elite recruit...potential to contribute immediately...at least a 3-year starter...potential multiple All-Conference selections...potential All-American.

35 -- Premium Recruit...redshirt year likely...4-year contributor, 3-year starter likely...potential All-Conference selection at some point...potential All-American.

30 -- Solid Average Player...redshirt likely...special teams in R-Fr season, solid backup as R-So...potential 2-year starter...potential All-Conference at some point.

25 -- Quality Program Player...partial scholarship likely...redshirt...contribute on special teams with solid roll as backup...potential starter late in career.

20 -- Program Player...partial scholarship or walk-on...redshirt...contribute on special teams...backup player.

15 -- Program Player...walk-on...good student...redshirt with potential to contribute on special teams at some point in career.

10 -- Program Player...walk on...good student...family has lots of money!!

WILLIAM & MARY
34.7 (33%)

Quick Take: The Tribe signed just 15 players , but in our view, made a pretty good splash given their limited scholarship resources...we like the versatility, athleticism and upside of the group as a whole and feel it's a class that will help keep them highly competitive in the rugged CAA, and FCS in general.

What we like: We like a lot about this class, especially the impact players! Out of 15 signees, we rate at least five as having potential to make immediate impact, with the entire class rating at least average or better on our scale. Our favorite is DL/OL, Jasper Coleman, whom we feel has potential to dominate on either side of the ball - we also see NFL potential! We love the athleticism and quick release of dual-threat QB, Mikal Abdul Saboor, and believe the Tribe nabbed a huge steal in undersized OL, Andrew Jones. We also like the instincts and closing speed of DB, DeAndre Houston-Carson, and the motor and upside of DL, Jared Templeton. We also like transfer RB, Keith McBride, and pro-style QB, Christian Brumbaugh. LB, Luke Rhodes stands out as well. Another positive is versatility...several in this group show prowess on either side of the ball.

What we don't like: Not much about this class we don't like, other than it's a small one, which obviously is unavoidable...could also stand some more wow factor at WR, but that's being picky.

RANKING THE TRIBE RECRUITS
Jasper Coleman, DT/OT - Listed as DL: FCSR Rating: 45 -- Passes the eyeball test! Love the length, bulk, explosiveness & motor...could easily weight 290-300 lbs without losing much quickness...dominates competition on video...can play either side of the ball...we see NFL potential.

Michael Abdul Saboor , QB - Dual threat: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Vertically challenged but has great feet & quick, compact release...plenty of arm strength...shows accuracy...can make necessary throws...elusive runner...performer against good competition...skills to play RB if QB doesn't work out.

Andrew Jones, OL: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Not very tall, but love the feet, explosiveness and nasty attitude! Sustains in the running game through the whistle...good pass blocker...versatile...could play anywhere on the offensive line...not so sure he wouldn't make a pretty good nose tackle.

DeAndre Houston-Carson, DB: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Nice length for corner...will get bigger/stronger...instinctive w/ good closing speed...shows ball skills...adequate tackler who plays physical...questionable top end speed but plays fast...versatile enough to play corner or safety in our opinion.

Jared Templeton, DT : FCSR Rating: 40 -- Can't teach size/frame/athleticism combination and he's got it...good visible motor on video...gets up field...runs well for size...a bit raw, needs work on technique...listed as DT but may be better fit on the OL...like the fact that he came back quickly from summer knee injury...shows toughness!

Keith McBride, RB - FCSR Rating: 35 -- Navy transfer...good solid back w/ above avg size and strength for position...like the vision and cutback ability...not a true burner but doesn't get caught often...shows good receiving skills...solid in the screen game.
Christian Brumbaugh, QB - Pro Style Pocket: FCSR Rating: 35...good size, will get bigger...calm demeanor, with pretty good pocket feet & awareness...accurate, catchable ball...average release & arm strength...fair mobility, won't win many games with legs but has enough escapability to keep play alive...performer at high school level.

Luke Rhodes, LB: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Gd size, solid athlete...like his length & ability to play passing lanes...appears to be fundamentally sound... one of those guys that just looks like a good "football player" on video...can never have enough of them!

Zack Fetters, QB/ATH/DB: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Another good football player...doesn't do anything great but everything solid...has enough moxy and skill to contribute as QB...decent arm strength with quick release...throws ball on time...rangy & instinctive with good ball skills as free safety...looks like a good guy to have on your team.

Braxton HIcks, DE - Pass rush specialist: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Like the motor & first step quicks...relentless...gets after QB...we question the listed size and ability to play run...can he be effective on running downs???...move to LB may help cause...good football player on video!

Anthony Johnson, WR: FCSR Ratiing: 30 -- Adequate size at present, will get stronger...sound route runner...shows ability to go get the ball, but catches too many balls with his body...not a burner but runs well enough...projects as a solid average FCS wideout.

Louis Petrocelli, OL: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Big bodied, mauler...has now size...physical at point of attack...moves surprisingly well in open field for his size...needs work in pass protection...limited to playing inside from what we can see.

Nick Easter, OL: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Good present size w/ room to weigh 300+...better run blocker, best when he pulls ...fair explosion/first step...feet get stale in pass protection...show better when he gets out and runs...should be solid down the road.

Tre McBride, WR: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Raw athlete w/ good instincts...played in Wing-T offense - lacks polish...instinctive w/ ball in hands...gets up field in a hurry...more quick than fast...wouldn't surprise us if he flourishes down the road.

Jared Velasquez, DB: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Versatile athlete with good instincts and ball skills...nothing special physically, but faster than he looks, and game seems to come easy to him...again, another good football player you can never have enough of.

[Montanan]

These guys have taken on the monumental job of ranking every recruit by studying video, and gathering the usual research from other recruiting sites....

great idea!

Link?

excuse me if i missed this somewhere, but who are "These guys" you refer to?

[Tribe4SF]

These guys have taken on the monumental job of ranking every recruit by studying video, and gathering the usual research from other recruiting sites....

great idea!

excuse me if i missed this somewhere, but who are "These guys" you refer to?

I don't know. They started a thread on AGS to explain what they were doing, but there's no website link. Appears to be three or four of them working on it. Based on their W&M review, they know what they're doing, and are not novices at film review and grading.

[Montanan]

...I don't know. They started a thread on AGS to explain what they were doing, but there's no website link. Appears to be three or four of them working on it. Based on their W&M review, they know what they're doing, and are not novices at film review and grading.

gotcha! i should have done a little searching.

[Tribe4SF]

They're done with Montana. Villanova next.

MONTANA
32.95 (18%)

QUICK TAKE:This was a tough class for us to evaluate, with lots of differences of opinion, but we finally settled on a consensus take. As you would expect from a program like Montana, the Griz were able to land several impact players from out of state, while locking up some raw local talent with some physical upside. The Griz signed 23 in this class (we evaluated 22**), including a couple of quality holdovers from 2010, with an emphasis on young, athletic OL , as well as some heavy-hitting defensive backs. While this is a good class, with potential to be very good, we're not completely sold on the quality of depth. We give some benefit of the doubt, but patience will be required.

WHAT WE LIKE: Of the 22 we evaluated, 12 rate as above average, with 4 rating as premium. The best players in our view are Addison Owen and Hassan Richardson. Owen is a "war daddy" who lit us up the first time we pushed play. Richardson appears to us to be a major steal, and should make his presence known shortly upon rival in Missoula. We really like the two re-signs from the 2010 class, in Justin Whitted and Christian Licciardi. Whitted shows enough versatility to play anywhere on the back end, and Licciardi has potential to be a dominant DT, pretty early in his career. JC cornerback transfer, Kevin Frank, is a good football player with very good ball skills. He should make immediate impact. After that, it's a mixed bag with several guys who could go either way in their development. Matt Hermanson grew on us the more we watched, and a couple of us feel he could become an All-American caliber safety at some point. We have similar opinion of Zach Gratton though maybe not as much upside. We also like O-linemen, Dahl, Kaleikini and Schmaing, though patience will be required...CB Nate Harris impressed us with his versatility.

WHAT WE DON'T LIKE: Not a lot we don't like, though not as much obvious high impact as we might have expected from a program the caliber of Montana. We don't see an impact QB or RB in the group and overall team speed is questionable.


RANKING THE GRIZZLIES RECRUITS
Hassan Richardson, WR: FCSR Rating: 45 -- Potential game-changer! Tall, physical, big-bodied WR - type that's always open - good route runner on video - will go get it in a crowd - not a true burner but gets off LOS w/ physical burst and tough to jam - some sources question hands and foot speed, but we see enough on video to not consider that an issue - potential to play on Sundays.

Addison Owen, SS/LB: FCSR Rating: 45 -- WE LOVE THIS GUY!! Physically ready now - fundamentallly sound, nasty downhill player who packs a punch - processes game quickly -plays fast - skills to be make major impact from day one in our view.

Christian Licciardi, DT: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Re-sign from 2010 - Immediate impact DT - Stout, fireplug build - plays strong w/ good pad level - tough to move - shows good motor w/ very good first step quickness.

Justin Whitted, DB: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Re-sign from 2010 - Athletic, physical safety -big-time hitter w/ ball skills...more quick/instinctive than fast...does not possess great open field speed, but has plenty enough to play strong safety.

Kevin Frank, CB/Safety: FCSR Rating: 35-- Good football player w/good size - ball skills, play w/ back to receiver - decent range & closing speed - play safety or corner - reports 4.4 speed but we don't see it on video. Should make immediate impact with his versatility.

Nate Harris, CB: FCSR Rating:35 -- Good athlete, shows prowess on both sides of ball - decent size for corner - quickness w/ ball skills - physical player - versatile.

Joe Dahl, OL: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Nice frame w/ room for strength & weight gain - underveloped at present but love the feet and hands...good motor - chance to be quality LT - banking on him gaining 30-40 lbs, but could be a good one down the road.

Matt Hermanson, Safety: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Gd football player...like the length & frame- room for strength gains..plays aggressive & downhill...hitter...box player...maybe LB down the road but will be productive no matter what position.

Zach Gratton, Safety: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Long, proj build...athletic w/ good speed & instincts...football player! Will hit - shows ball skills.

Samson Kaleikini, OL: FCSR Rating: 35 - Tall, projectable frame - long, athletic w/ good feet - comes off ball - raw technique - plays in option offense.

Archie Woullard, WR: FCSR Rating: 35 -- tall, athletic WR - fluid w/ some burst - polished route runner - ?? hands.

John Schmaing, OL: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Projectable build...long, athletic, with good feet...chance to play LT...must get stronger.

Trent McKinney, QB: FCSR Rating: 30 -- athletic, spread QB - ability to damage w/ legs - nice arm strength though release is long, and slow, especially on deeper routes - lacks polish as passer - has enough athleticism and raw skill to develop above our profile.

Jesse Ginn, DT/OL: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Big bodied space eater - decent athlete & feet for size - plays high - lacks pursuit speed - better OL prospect for us - size and footwork are pluses, but would hope to see dominate more vs level of competition.

Nelo Butler, RB: FCSR Rating:30 -- compact, low center of gravity - shifty w/ good feet & balance - patient, gd receiver -not a blazer but can make u miss - nice spin move.

Connor Lebsock, Safety:FCSR Rating: 30 -- Projectable build - instinctive - don't see much speed or explosiveness but shows enough to develop into an average safety down the road.

Stephen Shaw, K: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Kickers are tough to evaluate on video, but shows enough leg strength to rate as an average prospect.

Matt Berg, K/P: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Same as above.

Gavin Hagfors, FB/HB/RB: FCSR Rating 25 -- FB/HB type - good now size w/ room to get bigger/stronger - will block - solid receiver - adequate runner, can pound for tough yards - no home run threat.

Aschan Richards, TE: FCSR Rating: 25 -- Tall, long, narrow frame, awkward, physically underdevloped - has some 1st step quickness but doesn't show much strength or explosiveness at present - may come in time, but have to dream a little bit to get him there.

Chase White, QB: FCSR Rating: 25 -- Program type QB - Average size w/ some room to fill out - shows a quick release w/ adequate athleticism, arm strength & accuracy.

Jonathan Richards, LB: FCSR Rating: 20 -- Program player w/ projectable size - needs time in weight room - below average athleticism but shows good football instincts.

** Did not evaluate Derek Crittendon...not enough video .

[FCSRecruiting]

VILLANOVA
(36.9, 44%)

QUICK TAKE: This is what a championship class is supposed to look like at the FCS level. We see impact and potential All-Americans littered throughout the class. Often times, the substance doesn't match the hype but it does in Nova's case. They were able to land impact playmakers on both sides of the ball and made the absolute most of limited scholarship numbers. Of the 18** players we evaluated, 8 rate as elite prospects, and 14 of the 18 rate as above average. If the Cats do indeed pursue a move to the Big East, this class is a pretty good start in that direction.

WHAT WE LIKE: Just about everything! The Cats landed playmakers at QB, RB, WR and TE, along with a couple of potentially dominant D-linemen. We LOVE big WR, Clay Horne, DT Jordan Hunter and TE Earnest Pettway, and feel all three may have a pro future. Chris Polony has skills to become a championship level QB, and we're high on RB, Jamal Abdur-Rahman. We also really like DE, Noble Ajakaiye, LB Dillon Lucas and DB, Jerry Miles...in most classes these guys would be the stars of the show.

WHAT WE DON'T LIKE: Other than a couple of head scratchers, we were hardpressed to find anything negative about this class. It was light on offensive linemen but hard to argue with the one they did take.


RANKING THE WILDCAT RECRUITS

Clay Horne, WR: FCSR Rating: 45 -- Big-time size w/ skills to match - can't teach 6-6 - huge upside - quick , with good open field speed for size - will go get it! Has hoops background - skills to become dominant big WR at FCS level, and perhaps beyond - reminds us some of former Northern Colorado Bear and current San Diego Charger, Vincent Jackson.

Jordan Hunter, DL: FCSR Rating: 45 -- Athletic, quick, 300+ DT - has bulk, strength and athleticism to dominate at FCS level - disruptive w/ ability to push the pocket & play the run.

Earnest Pettway, TE: FCSR Rating: 45 -- Very impressive on video - shows all the tools and skill to become dominating force at FCS level - big, strong, athletic TE who can get vertical and catch the football - versatile enough to split out as WR - physical at point of attack in run game - hardpressed to find better HS prospects at TE at FCS level.

Chris Polony, QB: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Good looking QB prospect - tall, athletic w/ projectable build - some rawness w/ mechanics & release but shows good instinct as passer - big arm w/ good touch, especially on the deep ball - makes tough throws on the move and to his left - throws catchable ball but can gun it when needed - runs well enough to be a threat.

Jamal Adbur-Rahman, RB: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Shifty, elusive, instinctive runner - good vision with good cut-back/bounce ability - decisive yet patient - surprise power for smaller back - good receiver - more quick than fast - functional speed, not elite.

Jerry Miles, DB: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Good looking player! Rangy, athletic, projectable build w/ long arms - very active and versatile - plays fast - good tackler in space - can play in the box or cover - figures to be productive no matter where you line him up.

Noble Ajakaiye, DE: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Long, athletic, projectable frame...very good first step quickness w/ good burst - good use of hands - gets after the QB - chance to develop into premium pass rush DE.

Dillon Lucas, LB: FCSR Rating: 40 -- Ball-hawking, tackling machine w/ nose for ball - plays through trash well - very productive player - adequate size w/ room to get bigger - solid pass defender -

John Robertson, QB: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Athletic, tough & fundamentally sound for most part - good ball handler w/ good pocket feet & awareness - tough to determine on highlight video, but appears to read defenses well - throws accurate, catchable ball - threat with legs - good speed & quickness for QB - lacks ideal size - release gets long and slow on certain throws - adequate arm strength but not a gun.

Kevin Monangai, RB: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Compact w/ low center of gravity - shifty with good feet & vision - runs with good pad level - tough to get on the ground - solid speed but not a home run threat.

Justin Rhinesmith, OL: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Athletic OL w/ some physical upside - good feet w/ ability to get out and run - comes off the ball well - shows motor - physical - raw in pass protection.

Patrick Williams, DT: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Quick, athletic, undersized DT - active playmaker w/ above average pursuit speed - shows athleticism & ability to drop in coverage - biggest questions for us is size to handle playing inside - plays a bit high for a shorter DT.

Joey Harmon, LB: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Now size - fundamentally sound, productive player - better football player than athlete - fast brain, reads & reacts well - good tackler - adequate vs the pass - will be where he's supposed to be.

Morgan Craig, TE: FCSR Rating: 35 -- Possession/Run blocking TE - now size - physical in run game - good technique - extension of offensive line - solid route runner w/ solid hands .

Vince Kowalski, OL: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Athletic, physically underdeveloped OL - good footwork w/ very good foot speed for an OL - needs to gain weight but could settle in at TE worse-case scenario.

Matt McCann, DB: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Good football player - versatile - can play on either side of ball - good instincts as runner and physical w/ ball skills in secondary - type who will be good on special teams and solid wherever you play him.

Corey Majors, LB: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Physically mature body - listed at 6'0, more like 5'10 or 5'11...two-way player, also plays fullback...head scratcher for us - highly rated by Rivals and Scout, but one we had trouble justifying - didn't see much explosiveness or quickness on either side of ball - fundamentally raw as LB...sluggish. ..benefit of doubt with average grade.

Joe Sarnese, Safety: FCSR Rating: 30 -- Solid football player - doesn't dazzle but shows subtle, fluid athleticism and good football skills - solid average safety prospect.

**Did not rate LB, Reggie Paris due to no video.

[AZGrizFan]

What's the # in parentheses?

[SeattleGriz]

Must say these guys have rated Montana exactly how I expected - Montana boys very low. I don't think they can get a real objective look at Montana boys since the competition level isn't what they are used to seeing, coupled with the fact most of them focus on three sports due to the size of the high school.

Let's see.

Lex Hilliard - Dolphins
Colt Anderson - Eagles
Marc Mariani - Titans
Shann Schillinger - Falcons
Kroy Biermann - Falcons
Dan Carpenter - Dolphins

What do all of them have in common? All of them were on active NFL rosters this year and all are Montana boys. I don't think a one of them got recruited by FBS, and if they did, it certainly wasn't a Pac 10 team.

I applaud their efforts, but I am betting our staff sees more in the Montana boys than these guys do.

[Grizalltheway]

Must say these guys have rated Montana exactly how I expected - Montana boys very low. I don't think they can get a real objective look at Montana boys since the competition level isn't what they are used to seeing, coupled with the fact most of them focus on three sports due to the size of the high school.

Let's see.

Lex Hilliard - Dolphins
Colt Anderson - Eagles
Marc Mariani - Titans
Shann Schillinger - Falcons
Kroy Biermann - Falcons
Dan Carpenter - Dolphins

What do all of them have in common? All of them were on active NFL rosters this year and all are Montana boys. I don't think a one of them got recruited by FBS, and if they did, it certainly wasn't a Pac 10 team.

I applaud their efforts, but I am betting our staff sees more in the Montana boys than these guys do.

Let's not forget the fact that, given the state in which they grew up, they're inherently bad-ass.

[AZGrizFan]

Montana ranks 10th in NFL players produced per capita.

State Population * NFL Players NFL Players Per Capita
Louisiana 4,468,976 68 1 NFL per 65,720 people
Mississippi 2,844,658 37 1 NFL per 76,883 people
Hawaii 1,211,537 15 1 NFL per 80,769 people
District of Columbia 572,059 7 1 NFL per 81,723 people
South Carolina 4,012,012 46 1 NFL per 87,218 people
Alabama 4,447,100 50 1 NFL per 88,942 people
Florida 15,982,378 177 1 NFL per 90,296 people
Georgia 8,186,453 80 1 NFL per 102,331 people
Texas 20,851,820 180 1 NFL per 115,843 people
Montana 902,195 7 1 NFL per 128,885 people

[kalm]

Must say these guys have rated Montana exactly how I expected - Montana boys very low. I don't think they can get a real objective look at Montana boys since the competition level isn't what they are used to seeing, coupled with the fact most of them focus on three sports due to the size of the high school.

Let's see.

Lex Hilliard - Dolphins
Colt Anderson - Eagles
Marc Mariani - Titans
Shann Schillinger - Falcons
Kroy Biermann - Falcons
Dan Carpenter - Dolphins

What do all of them have in common? All of them were on active NFL rosters this year and all are Montana boys. I don't think a one of them got recruited by FBS, and if they did, it certainly wasn't a Pac 10 team.

I applaud their efforts, but I am betting our staff sees more in the Montana boys than these guys do.

+1

And that places a premium on player development which makes the process that much more rewarding to watch. Nothing better than an overachieving and passed over 3 sport stud from some small town that rises up to the occassion.

[big_meowski]

Must say these guys have rated Montana exactly how I expected - Montana boys very low. I don't think they can get a real objective look at Montana boys since the competition level isn't what they are used to seeing, coupled with the fact most of them focus on three sports due to the size of the high school.

Let's see.

Lex Hilliard - Dolphins
Colt Anderson - Eagles
Marc Mariani - Titans
Shann Schillinger - Falcons
Kroy Biermann - Falcons
Dan Carpenter - Dolphins

What do all of them have in common? All of them were on active NFL rosters this year and all are Montana boys. I don't think a one of them got recruited by FBS, and if they did, it certainly wasn't a Pac 10 team.

I applaud their efforts, but I am betting our staff sees more in the Montana boys than these guys do.

you forgot dane flechter and jeff hanson. bozeman and great falls, respectively. dane DID get recruited by boise state, but chose to stay in bozeman.

might as well add mike person(glendive) too! he's not (yet) in the NFL, but i figured anyone who's invited to the combine has a pretty legit shot of making an NFL roster.

[FCSRecruiting]

Must say these guys have rated Montana exactly how I expected - Montana boys very low. I don't think they can get a real objective look at Montana boys since the competition level isn't what they are used to seeing, coupled with the fact most of them focus on three sports due to the size of the high school.

Let's see.

Lex Hilliard - Dolphins
Colt Anderson - Eagles
Marc Mariani - Titans
Shann Schillinger - Falcons
Kroy Biermann - Falcons
Dan Carpenter - Dolphins

What do all of them have in common? All of them were on active NFL rosters this year and all are Montana boys. I don't think a one of them got recruited by FBS, and if they did, it certainly wasn't a Pac 10 team.

I applaud their efforts, but I am betting our staff sees more in the Montana boys than these guys do.

Actually we don't have Montana ranked low at all. We have them lower than Villanova and William & Mary, but when you see the entire lists play out, you'll likely find the Grizzlies in the top 15 or so. We're just getting started, and nowhere near complete, but my guess is that is how it will shake out when we finish.

One of the struggles we had in evaluating the Montana class is factoring in past history with what we're seeing on video. We recognize that good programs such as Montana do a great job in developing "underdeveloped" players and we did take that into consideration with some of our grades. We have no doubt your coaching staff knows these recruits extremely well and far better than we do, but we see what we see on video and do the best we can. We'll know for sure how we did in three to five years.

[FCSRecruiting]

What's the # in parentheses?

The first number is the average rating of each recruit. The grade of 30 represents an average FCS player, so if your average rating is above 30, you theoretically have an above average class in our estimation. The second number is the percentage of class that rates as "elite" which is anything 40 and above.

These numbers aren't necessarily indicative of how we're going to rank the classes when we're through. For instance, William & Mary does better on both numbers, but if you look deeper, Montana had a larger class and a few guys at the bottom which pull the average down. William & Mary has one more "elite" player, but Montana has more players who rate above average, 35 or better.

Hopefully it makes some sense. We're still tweaking things.

[whoanellie]

What's the # in parentheses?

The first number is the average rating of each recruit. The grade of 30 represents an average FCS player, so if your average rating is above 30, you theoretically have an above average class in our estimation. The second number is the percentage of class that rates as "elite" which is anything 40 and above.

These numbers aren't necessarily indicative of how we're going to rank the classes when we're through. For instance, William & Mary does better on both numbers, but if you look deeper, Montana had a larger class and a few guys at the bottom which pull the average down. William & Mary has one more "elite" player, but Montana has more players who rate above average, 35 or better.

Hopefully it makes some sense. We're still tweaking things.

there is no height & weight nor 40 times listed assume your score # includes these... also is there any factoring done on what is needed from graduation loses and the programs redshirting philosophy?

[FCSRecruiting]

The first number is the average rating of each recruit. The grade of 30 represents an average FCS player, so if your average rating is above 30, you theoretically have an above average class in our estimation. The second number is the percentage of class that rates as "elite" which is anything 40 and above.

These numbers aren't necessarily indicative of how we're going to rank the classes when we're through. For instance, William & Mary does better on both numbers, but if you look deeper, Montana had a larger class and a few guys at the bottom which pull the average down. William & Mary has one more "elite" player, but Montana has more players who rate above average, 35 or better.

Hopefully it makes some sense. We're still tweaking things.

there is no height & weight nor 40 times listed assume your score # includes these... also is there any factoring done on what is needed from graduation loses and the programs redshirting philosophy?

We choose not to list the heights and weights more as function of space and time than anything else, but we most definitely take them into consideration, as well as 40 times. Though this isn't our first rodeo and we know those numbers are usually inflated on the releases, so we go more by what we see on video than anything else. Not all video is equal in detail and editing so we try to fill in the blanks as much as we can in instances where we don't get a good read. If we can't find video on a player, or it's only one or two clips, we don't rate them. So far, we've only had a couple of instances of that.

[Appaholic]

Montana ranks 10th in NFL players produced per capita.

State Population * NFL Players NFL Players Per Capita
Louisiana 4,468,976 68 1 NFL per 65,720 people
Mississippi 2,844,658 37 1 NFL per 76,883 people
Hawaii 1,211,537 15 1 NFL per 80,769 people
District of Columbia 572,059 7 1 NFL per 81,723 people
South Carolina 4,012,012 46 1 NFL per 87,218 people
Alabama 4,447,100 50 1 NFL per 88,942 people
Florida 15,982,378 177 1 NFL per 90,296 people
Georgia 8,186,453 80 1 NFL per 102,331 people
Texas 20,851,820 180 1 NFL per 115,843 people
Montana 902,195 7 1 NFL per 128,885 people

Congratulations on having very little people in your state...

[Herky]

Must say these guys have rated Montana exactly how I expected - Montana boys very low. I don't think they can get a real objective look at Montana boys since the competition level isn't what they are used to seeing, coupled with the fact most of them focus on three sports due to the size of the high school.

Let's see.

Lex Hilliard - Dolphins
Colt Anderson - Eagles
Marc Mariani - Titans
Shann Schillinger - Falcons
Kroy Biermann - Falcons
Dan Carpenter - Dolphins

What do all of them have in common? All of them were on active NFL rosters this year and all are Montana boys. I don't think a one of them got recruited by FBS, and if they did, it certainly wasn't a Pac 10 team.

I applaud their efforts, but I am betting our staff sees more in the Montana boys than these guys do.

Dan Carpenter is from Omaha, Nebraska, not Montana. He may have played for the Griz, but he's not a "Montana boy".

[Herky]

Montana ranks 10th in NFL players produced per capita.

State Population * NFL Players NFL Players Per Capita
Louisiana 4,468,976 68 1 NFL per 65,720 people
Mississippi 2,844,658 37 1 NFL per 76,883 people
Hawaii 1,211,537 15 1 NFL per 80,769 people
District of Columbia 572,059 7 1 NFL per 81,723 people
South Carolina 4,012,012 46 1 NFL per 87,218 people
Alabama 4,447,100 50 1 NFL per 88,942 people
Florida 15,982,378 177 1 NFL per 90,296 people
Georgia 8,186,453 80 1 NFL per 102,331 people
Texas 20,851,820 180 1 NFL per 115,843 people
Montana 902,195 7 1 NFL per 128,885 people

Congratulations on having very little people in your state...

And for being the DUI capital of the U.S.... Per capita that is.

[Grizalltheway]

Must say these guys have rated Montana exactly how I expected - Montana boys very low. I don't think they can get a real objective look at Montana boys since the competition level isn't what they are used to seeing, coupled with the fact most of them focus on three sports due to the size of the high school.

Let's see.

Lex Hilliard - Dolphins
Colt Anderson - Eagles
Marc Mariani - Titans
Shann Schillinger - Falcons
Kroy Biermann - Falcons
Dan Carpenter - Dolphins

What do all of them have in common? All of them were on active NFL rosters this year and all are Montana boys. I don't think a one of them got recruited by FBS, and if they did, it certainly wasn't a Pac 10 team.

I applaud their efforts, but I am betting our staff sees more in the Montana boys than these guys do.

Dan Carpenter is from Omaha, Nebraska, not Montana. He may have played for the Griz, but he's not a "Montana boy".

He grew up in Helena. Doesn't matter where he was born.

[Grizalltheway]

Congratulations on having very little people in your state...

And for being the DUI capital of the U.S.... Per capita that is.

At least we aren't bankrupt.

[mlbowl]

Dan Carpenter is from Omaha, Nebraska, not Montana. He may have played for the Griz, but he's not a "Montana boy".

My duaghter was born in the USNH, Okinawa, Japan. ...Guess I better tell her to pack her bags!

[uofmman1122]

Dan Carpenter is from Omaha, Nebraska, not Montana. He may have played for the Griz, but he's not a "Montana boy".

Except that he grew up in Helena, Montana.

[Herky]

Dan Carpenter is from Omaha, Nebraska, not Montana. He may have played for the Griz, but he's not a "Montana boy".

Except that he grew up in Helena, Montana.

No matter what you say, his birth certificate says he's from Omaha.

[Herky]

And for being the DUI capital of the U.S.... Per capita that is.

At least we aren't bankrupt.

Hey, I keep telling them to eliminate social programs, but they arent listening.

Besides, Montana is facing over a $60 million budget deficit. That's a heck of a lot, especially considering there are roughly 900,000 people in Montana compared to 38 million plus in California.