#1/#2 Delaware @ #4/#5 William & Mary - Game Thread

Post by **93henfan** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:40 pm

Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (7-0, 4-0 CAA, #1 CS/AGS, #2 TSN/Coaches)
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William and Mary Tribe (5-1, 3-1 CAA, #4 TSN, #5 CS/AGS/Coaches)

Saturday, October 23, 2010 - 12:00 noon eastern - Homecoming

Cary Field at Zable Stadium (12,259), Field Turf, Williamsburg, VA

Series History:
Series Record: Delaware leads 20-14
Last game: William and Mary won 30-20 in 2009
First Meeting: Delaware won 93-0 in 1915
Last Delaware Win: Delaware won 49-31 in 2007

Television: The Comcast Network (formerly CN8), CSN-NE, Cox 11

Live Stats: http://tribeathletics.com/files/fb/livestats/xlive.htm
Radio:
Delaware: http://www.wdsd.com/pages/bhensfootball.html
W&M: http://www.tideradio.com/streaming.htm

Game Notes:
Delaware: http://www.bluehens.com/sportsinfo/foot ... tes-wm.pdf
W&M: http://tribeathletics.com/files/fb/2010 ... laware.pdf

Odds (5dimes):
Latest line: favorite Delaware (-2) [Sat AM]
Over/Under: 35 [Sat AM]

Notes:
• Having won its last five games, as well as its last nine at Zable Stadium, the No. 4/5 Tribe will return to action after its bye week with a contest against No. 1/2 Delaware for Homecoming this Saturday at noon. The contest will mark the second time in the last three games that W&M has squared off against a team ranked either No. 1 or No. 2 nationally, as the College earned a 31-24 victory against No. 1/2 Villanova on Oct. 2. W&M boasts one of the country’s best defensive units and ranks seventh nationally by allowing just 16.0 points per game, while it is 12th in passing efficiency defense (100.1). The Tribe has also utilized a balanced attack offensively and is averaging nearly 30 points per game. Junior quarterback Michael Paulus has been effective leading the Tribe recently and has completed 50-of-75 passes for 508 yards and two touchdowns en route to leading W&M to victories in its last three contests. Payton Award candidate running back Jonathan Grimes has also performed well and became W&M’s career record holder for all-purpose yards (4,658) in the win against URI. Delaware has also established itself defensively and leads the nation in scoring defense (8.0 ppg) while ranking third in total defense (246.1 ypg). Offensively, true freshman running back Andrew Pierce ranks fifth in the country with 125.7 rushing yards per game, while senior quarterback Pat Devlin ranks 19th in the country with a passing efficiency rating of 139.3.

Post by **Ivytalk** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:52 pm

How did this game end up at Zable two years in a row?

Post by **93henfan** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:55 pm

Ivytalk wrote:How did this game end up at Zable two years in a row?

Ain't a damn thing wrong with Williamsburg. No complaints from me. I'll take it as the trade-off for missing UNH four years in a row and JMU next year. Small price to pay.

TribeFanInNC · Post by **TribeFanInNC** » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:51 pm

Ivytalk wrote:How did this game end up at Zable two years in a row?

CAA schedules got scrambled after Hofstra and Northeastern kicked the bucket.

ODUfanRazor · Post by **ODUfanRazor** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:13 am

Let's go Delaware!

LeadBolt · Post by **LeadBolt** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:31 am

ODUfanRazor wrote:Let's go Delaware!

Good Luck against GSU, hater...

Post by **93henfan** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:43 am

Lines added to original post. 5Dimes has W&M as a one-point favorite with an over/under of 33.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:05 am

93henfan wrote:an over/under of 33.

OVER

Post by **93henfan** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:06 am

89Hen wrote:
93henfan wrote:an over/under of 33.
OVER

Agreed. I think Devlin is due for a statement game and the weather will be conducive to that (75 and calm). Add in our banged up D and a very good W&M team and I think the two teams score well over 33.

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:20 am

93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: OVER
Agreed. I think Devlin is due for a statement game and the weather will be conducive to that (75 and calm). Add in our banged up D and a very good W&M team and I think the two teams score well over 33.

I agree that it will be over 33 points. Devlin is due and UD should get at least 21 to 28 by themselves.

But, as far as out D goes, we get Morales back, so that should help with our pass rush. You know Walters will be ready to get in and hit people. Losing Titre will be a problem, but other than that, we're ready to go.

The thing that gets W&M some extra points will be their extra week of preparation and rest.

bluehenbillk · Post by **bluehenbillk** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:52 am

The line has moved to UD (-1) and o/u of 35.5

Post by **93henfan** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:09 am

bluehenbillk wrote:The line has moved to UD (-1) and o/u of 35.5

So the bettors agree with the last few posts as well.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:12 am

93henfan wrote:Agreed. I think Devlin is due for a statement game and the weather will be conducive to that (75 and calm). Add in our banged up D and a very good W&M team and I think the two teams score well over 33.

A piece.

Post by **93henfan** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:15 am

89Hen wrote:
93henfan wrote:Agreed. I think Devlin is due for a statement game and the weather will be conducive to that (75 and calm). Add in our banged up D and a very good W&M team and I think the two teams score well over 33.
A piece.

No. What did I predict in the prediction thread? Something like 21-19 I think.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:17 am

93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote: A piece.
No. What did I predict in the prediction thread? Something like 21-19 I think.

I'm saying maybe a piece.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:20 am

BTW, this is what, the fourth time UD has faced a Top 10 team this year?

Post by **93henfan** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:38 am

89Hen wrote:BTW, this is what, the fourth time UD has faced a Top 10 team this year?

Yes, and third time we've faced a top 5. There's a decent chance UMass and Nova will be top 10 when we play them too.

89Hen · Post by **89Hen** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:50 pm

93henfan wrote:
89Hen wrote:BTW, this is what, the fourth time UD has faced a Top 10 team this year?
Yes, and third time we've faced a top 5. There's a decent chance UMass and Nova will be top 10 when we play them too.

6 top 10's in one year (pre-playoffs) has to be some kind of record... at least for a team that might actually make the playoffs.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:51 pm

89Hen wrote:BTW, this is what, the fourth time UD has faced a Top 10 team this year?

Yeah and those previous 3 "Top 10"

teams are now 2-4, 3-3, and 4-2. Those Sept polls aren't worth tits on a bull. This will be UD's 1st game against a current Top 10.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:59 pm

89Hen wrote: 6 top 10's in one year (pre-playoffs) has to be some kind of record... at least for a team that might actually make the playoffs.

UD will have likely played 2, maybe 3 teams that are in the Top 10 come November. Typical for the CAA.

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:03 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
89Hen wrote:BTW, this is what, the fourth time UD has faced a Top 10 team this year?
Yeah and those previous 3 "Top 10" teams are now 2-4, 3-3, and 4-2. Those Sept polls aren't worth tits on a bull. This will be UD's 1st game against a current Top 10.

Well, present Top 10 rankings really doesn't work all that well either.

There are lots of variables that change during the season, not just in the beginning. The Richmond team UD faced isn't quite the Richmond team everyone else will face without Corp. If they end up out of the top 25 by the end of the season, that doesn't mean that Richmond wasn't a top 5 or 10 team when we faced them. Same with JMU. Since we played your team, you've suffered even more injuries and are headed down the tube quickly. You may well have been a top 10 team a few weeks ago...heck, you knocked off Va. Tech...that isn't something an average FCS team could do. And there is also the possiblity that UD knocked a good SDSU team around so much that they lost their focus for a few games, but are now blasting their way back towards the top of the MVC. Minet seems to be eating other teams for lunch...but he was stoned against UD.

So yeah, we get to face another top 10 team. And if we beat them and they fall out of the top 10, that doesn't automatically discount their top 10 status when we play them either.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:25 pm

Cluck U wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
Yeah and those previous 3 "Top 10" teams are now 2-4, 3-3, and 4-2. Those Sept polls aren't worth tits on a bull. This will be UD's 1st game against a current Top 10.
Well, present Top 10 rankings really doesn't work all that well either.

There are lots of variables that change during the season, not just in the beginning. The Richmond team UD faced isn't quite the Richmond team everyone else will face without Corp. If they end up out of the top 25 by the end of the season, that doesn't mean that Richmond wasn't a top 5 or 10 team when we faced them. Same with JMU. Since we played your team, you've suffered even more injuries and are headed down the tube quickly. You may well have been a top 10 team a few weeks ago...heck, you knocked off Va. Tech...that isn't something an average FCS team could do. And there is also the possiblity that UD knocked a good SDSU team around so much that they lost their focus for a few games, but are now blasting their way back towards the top of the MVC. Minet seems to be eating other teams for lunch...but he was stoned against UD.

So yeah, we get to face another top 10 team. And if we beat them and they fall out of the top 10, that doesn't automatically discount their top 10 status when we play them either.

No, but it doesn't mean they were Top 10 team either if they follow up by losing to a bunch of other teams. Early Sept SDSU was Top 10 based on what? In mid Sept UR was Top 10 based on what? A loss to UVA an OT win over Elon?

In 08' JMU played a UMass team that was ranked something like #5 Week 2. They ended up 7-5. If someone asked how many Top 10 teams JMU played, I didn't include UMass. I included teams that FINISHED in the Top 10 (ASU, UR, Nova 2x, Wofford, Montana).

Like I said, pre season & Sept polls are WORTHLESS.

YoUDeeMan · Post by **YoUDeeMan** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:40 pm

BDKJMU wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
Well, present Top 10 rankings really doesn't work all that well either.

There are lots of variables that change during the season, not just in the beginning. The Richmond team UD faced isn't quite the Richmond team everyone else will face without Corp. If they end up out of the top 25 by the end of the season, that doesn't mean that Richmond wasn't a top 5 or 10 team when we faced them. Same with JMU. Since we played your team, you've suffered even more injuries and are headed down the tube quickly. You may well have been a top 10 team a few weeks ago...heck, you knocked off Va. Tech...that isn't something an average FCS team could do. And there is also the possiblity that UD knocked a good SDSU team around so much that they lost their focus for a few games, but are now blasting their way back towards the top of the MVC. Minet seems to be eating other teams for lunch...but he was stoned against UD.

So yeah, we get to face another top 10 team. And if we beat them and they fall out of the top 10, that doesn't automatically discount their top 10 status when we play them either.
No, but it doesn't mean they were Top 10 team either if they follow up by losing to a bunch of other teams. Early Sept SDSU was Top 10 based on what? In mid Sept UR was Top 10 based on what? A loss to UVA an OT win over Elon?

In 08' JMU played a UMass team that was ranked something like #5 Week 2. They ended up 7-5. If someone asked how many Top 10 teams JMU played, I didn't include UMass. I included teams that FINISHED in the Top 10 (ASU, UR, Nova 2x, Wofford, Montana).

Like I said, pre season & Sept polls are WORTHLESS.

While I will agree that preseason polls are worthless, you are again dismissing the fact that teams are different at the end of the year than they were at other points during the year. If Richmond were 8-0, stomping teams, ranked #1, and lost to #2 nova in a tough game, then during the next week of practice, lost their top 3 QBs, a starting RB, and a flight of other starters, lost their next 3 games (including the opening round of the playoffs), fell out of the Top 15, it would not be accurate to say that Nova didn't play and beat a Top 10 team the day they played Richmond.

As to final polls, on another note, I don't believe the team that loses in the National Championship game is always the #2 team in the nation...but that is how most people vote.

BDKJMU · Post by **BDKJMU** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:38 am

Cluck U wrote:
BDKJMU wrote:
No, but it doesn't mean they were Top 10 team either if they follow up by losing to a bunch of other teams. Early Sept SDSU was Top 10 based on what? In mid Sept UR was Top 10 based on what? A loss to UVA an OT win over Elon?

In 08' JMU played a UMass team that was ranked something like #5 Week 2. They ended up 7-5. If someone asked how many Top 10 teams JMU played, I didn't include UMass. I included teams that FINISHED in the Top 10 (ASU, UR, Nova 2x, Wofford, Montana).

Like I said, pre season & Sept polls are WORTHLESS.
While I will agree that preseason polls are worthless, you are again dismissing the fact that teams are different at the end of the year than they were at other points during the year. If Richmond were 8-0, stomping teams, ranked #1, and lost to #2 nova in a tough game, then during the next week of practice, lost their top 3 QBs, a starting RB, and a flight of other starters, lost their next 3 games (including the opening round of the playoffs), fell out of the Top 15, it would not be accurate to say that Nova didn't play and beat a Top 10 team the day they played Richmond.

As to final polls, on another note, I don't believe the team that loses in the National Championship game is always the #2 team in the nation...but that is how most people vote.

Ok, point taken. Another ? Say you played a team that wasn't in the Top 10 when you played them in Sept, but was in the top 10 in Nov. Would you count them as a Top 10 team you had faced? I refer to the latter in regards to JMU's opponents, I count them as a Top 10 team that JMU has faced if they are in the Top 10 at the end of the season, regardless if they were when JMU played them earlier. Just asking because you can't have it both ways.

Post by **93henfan** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:46 am

BDKJMU wrote:
Cluck U wrote:
While I will agree that preseason polls are worthless, you are again dismissing the fact that teams are different at the end of the year than they were at other points during the year. If Richmond were 8-0, stomping teams, ranked #1, and lost to #2 nova in a tough game, then during the next week of practice, lost their top 3 QBs, a starting RB, and a flight of other starters, lost their next 3 games (including the opening round of the playoffs), fell out of the Top 15, it would not be accurate to say that Nova didn't play and beat a Top 10 team the day they played Richmond.

As to final polls, on another note, I don't believe the team that loses in the National Championship game is always the #2 team in the nation...but that is how most people vote.
Ok, point taken. Another ? Say you played a team that wasn't in the Top 10 when you played them in Sept, but was in the top 10 in Nov. Would you count them as a Top 10 team you had faced? I refer to the latter in regards to JMU's opponents, I count them as a Top 10 team that JMU has faced if they are in the Top 10 at the end of the season, regardless if they were when JMU played them earlier. Just asking because you can't have it both ways.

Delaware has played four top 10s (including 3 top 5s) when they played them. That's what will be reflected in the archives. There's no disputing it.

You obviously are trying to downgrade our schedule by now saying the teams are rated lower now. Sure, if you want to change the argument to where teams are ranked now, then yes, there are not four teams that we've already beaten that are still in the top 10. Usually, teams drop out of the top ten when they are beaten by a better team. Completely different set of rules you're applying now.

I don't see why you're getting worked up about it, other than you don't want to give an opponent any credit. Fair enough.

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