Georgia Southern

[oneball]

What happened? What happened to a once proud a$$ kicking program? Where does it start? With the AD?
coaching,recruiting, I can understand a down season or two allowing for the usual transitional period,but this continous struggling is hard to understand. Kinda sad, I think everybody was in once in awe of GS as they are now of APP and perhaps Montana. I hope someday they can make it back.Those kind of programs are good for FCS.

[slycat]

Seems to have snowballed after the 2005 playoff loss the Texas State.

GSU lead big then Texas State blew past them int he second half. Coach was let go and the new lose that came in changed the schools traditions and such.

Program is still trying to recover.

[oneball]

Seems to have snowballed after the 2005 playoff loss the Texas State.

GSU lead big then Texas State blew past them int he second half. Coach was let go and the new lose that came in changed the schools traditions and such.

Program is still trying to recover.

The Griz are going thru a totally new coaching change from top to bottom,and we don't want to go down the
same road GS is travelling,but it can happen tho dammit. Sure be a lot of howling,suicides,and carrying on
if that should God forbid "happen".

[slycat]

Seems to have snowballed after the 2005 playoff loss the Texas State.

GSU lead big then Texas State blew past them int he second half. Coach was let go and the new lose that came in changed the schools traditions and such.

Program is still trying to recover.

The Griz are going thru a totally new coaching change from top to bottom,and we don't want to go down the
same road GS is travelling,but it can happen tho dammit. Sure be a lot of howling,suicides,and carrying on
if that should God forbid "happen".

I don't think y'all have as much to worry about. GSU dropped their triple option and pissed off a lot of alums.

The Griz may not win conference but they will be back in a year or two I bet. Of course if the other Big Sky schools are graduating some seniors then the Griz may just keep running the table.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

The Griz are going thru a totally new coaching change from top to bottom,and we don't want to go down the
same road GS is travelling,but it can happen tho dammit. Sure be a lot of howling,suicides,and carrying on
if that should God forbid "happen".

I don't think y'all have as much to worry about. GSU dropped their triple option and pissed off a lot of alums.

The Griz may not win conference but they will be back in a year or two I bet. Of course if the other Big Sky schools are graduating some seniors then the Griz may just keep running the table.

I think we're gonna be real stable and will be the odds on favorite again despite the coaching change due to most of our skill positions now coming into their senior year with very few losses in the production areas. We lose a couple of real fine tight ends at the right time if there ever was one cuz there is a good chance that Pflugrad wouldn't be using them nearly as much as Hauck anyway. I think it's inevitable that we will have a couple of losses due the coaching change but I think we will be at the top even with that at hand.

[proasu89]

What happened? What happened to a once proud a$$ kicking program? Where does it start? With the AD?
coaching,recruiting, I can understand a down season or two allowing for the usual transitional period,but this continous struggling is hard to understand. Kinda sad, I think everybody was in once in awe of GS as they are now of APP and perhaps Montana. I hope someday they can make it back.Those kind of programs are good for FCS.

I think I remember something about this Geo. Southern you speak of. I'd love to hear more about them and just how long ago were they relevant?

[bobbythekidd]

Seems to have snowballed after the 2005 playoff loss the Texas State.

GSU lead big then Texas State blew past them int he second half. Coach was let go and the new lose that came in changed the schools traditions and such.

Program is still trying to recover.

This

[oneball]

Seems to have snowballed after the 2005 playoff loss the Texas State.

GSU lead big then Texas State blew past them int he second half. Coach was let go and the new lose that came in changed the schools traditions and such.

Program is still trying to recover.

This

SDSU blew a huge lead against the Griz and lost a playoff game they should have won but no one was calling for the coaches head,the fans of course were shocked,pissed off to put it mildly,but no one was screaming for the coaches head as they recognized and appreciated the success up until 4th q.
I think tho even after all these years GS can serve as a poster child as to what can happen,especially
if you have a weak AD who dances to the tune of the big boosters. the boosters who think there dollars
qualify them as experts. As you all know the booster crap goes on and on from recruiting to games.
As for GS I don't know if that was indeed the case but It has a booster smell to it.
If it aint broke don't fix it may be the right strategy.
If the Griz's new coach suddenly announces that he is going to a triple option,no more of this west coast
crap,he had better be successful.

[CatMom]

All this GSU talk has caused me to put that game on my TV and re-watch it. Oddly enough, the officials for this game were from the BSC. The officials for this years UM/SDSU were from the SLC. Coincidence?

We came back from 19 down (35-19) with 16 1/2 minutes left in the game and won by 15 (50-35). UM comes back from 21 down @ 11:08 in the 3rd and won by 13. Interesting, no?

(One thing I'll argue is who had the better comeback. Seems kind of equal to me. The swing was the same # of points, wasn't it? Only diff is SDSU scored again, GSU didn't...and we missed the last 2 pats. Nevertheless, best game I've ever witnessed. And our Payton Quaterfinalist bested a Payton winner in this one.)
Regardless, yes, they fired their coach after this game..and I do feel the boosters/alums had a lot of influence on it. That, or the AD was/is an idiot.

[kemajic]

All this GSU talk has caused me to put that game on my TV and re-watch it. Oddly enough, the officials for this game were from the BSC. The officials for this years UM/SDSU were from the SLC. Coincidence?

We came back from 19 down (35-19) with 16 1/2 minutes left in the game and won by 15 (50-35). UM comes back from 21 down @ 11:08 in the 3rd and won by 13. Interesting, no?

(One thing I'll argue is who had the better comeback. Seems kind of equal to me. The swing was the same # of points, wasn't it? Only diff is SDSU scored again, GSU didn't...and we missed the last 2 pats. Nevertheless, best game I've ever witnessed. And our Payton Quaterfinalist bested a Payton winner in this one.)
Regardless, yes, they fired their coach after this game..and I do feel the boosters/alums had a lot of influence on it. That, or the AD was/is an idiot.

For the facts, Montana was down 27 (48-21) with 20 1/2 minutes left and scored 40 unanswered. Interesting, no?

[bobbythekidd]

Regardless, yes, they fired their coach after this game..and I do feel the boosters/alums had a lot of influence on it. That, or the AD was/is an idiot.

Yes and Yes. Now stop bumping this thread people.

[kemajic]

The Griz are going thru a totally new coaching change from top to bottom,and we don't want to go down the
same road GS is travelling,but it can happen tho dammit. Sure be a lot of howling,suicides,and carrying on
if that should God forbid "happen".

I don't think y'all have as much to worry about. GSU dropped their triple option and pissed off a lot of alums.

The Griz may not win conference but they will be back in a year or two I bet. Of course if the other Big Sky schools are graduating some seniors then the Griz may just keep running the table.

The Griz have gone through four coaching regimes without missing a playoff and three without being BSC champs. Don't count on a Griz fallback in 2010.

[putter]

I don't think y'all have as much to worry about. GSU dropped their triple option and pissed off a lot of alums.

The Griz may not win conference but they will be back in a year or two I bet. Of course if the other Big Sky schools are graduating some seniors then the Griz may just keep running the table.

The Griz have gone through four coaching regimes without missing a playoff and three without being BSC champs. Don't count on a Griz fallback in 2010.

Honestly, when you look at GSU, the Montana coaching changes and the stability of quality ball is what impresses me most. All you need is one BVG who really doesn't give a ratz azz and your program can begin to fall behind.

[CatMom]

All this GSU talk has caused me to put that game on my TV and re-watch it. Oddly enough, the officials for this game were from the BSC. The officials for this years UM/SDSU were from the SLC. Coincidence?

We came back from 19 down (35-19) with 16 1/2 minutes left in the game and won by 15 (50-35). UM comes back from 21 down @ 11:08 in the 3rd and won by 13. Interesting, no?
(This is the part I was using anyway. Not the whole second half)

(One thing I'll argue is who had the better comeback. Seems kind of equal to me. The swing was the same # of points, wasn't it? Only diff is SDSU scored again, GSU didn't...and we missed the last 2 pats. Nevertheless, best game I've ever witnessed. And our Payton Quaterfinalist bested a Payton winner in this one.)
Regardless, yes, they fired their coach after this game..and I do feel the boosters/alums had a lot of influence on it. That, or the AD was/is an idiot.

For the facts, Montana was down 27 (48-21) with 20 1/2 minutes left and scored 40 unanswered. Interesting, no?

yeah, I figured I had that wrong there (after I had posted, had to leave and thought about it while out running errands)but that wasn't my point...re the interesting part - or coincidences/connections....as it were. Still the best game/comeback I've ever seen. I wasn't at the game this year. I was at the one in 2005, so that's not argueable.

[CatMom]

Regardless, yes, they fired their coach after this game..and I do feel the boosters/alums had a lot of influence on it. That, or the AD was/is an idiot.

Yes and Yes. Now stop bumping this thread people.

This is how we feel when people keep bringing up "the knee" too. However, they didn't fire our coach and we seem to have started to recover. But we're not GSU either so it isn't as prominent a decline (so to speak)

[dbackjon]

Bump for BTK

[bobbythekidd]

Bump for BTK

[blueballs]

I'll make this as short as I can...

... the decision to fire Sewak was made after the Wofford game in 2005, which was the third game of the season and GSU was a very undisciplined team that night on the field and there were some off field discipline issues that stoked that fire as well.

Also, GSU's President at that time, the berkley liberal Bruce Grube (a true liberal elitist asshole in every respect of the term), was on the committee that adopted the APR standards. GSU's administration (AD Sam Baker) failed to comprehend the changes and when the program lost schollies Grube was embarrassed in his circle of berkley liberal elite academicians and Sewak's head was served up in sacrifice.

The ill fated hiring of Van Dickhead was driven by a single booster who is an alumnus and letterman, construction magnate Robert Baker. Van Dickhead trashed the option and the identity of the program. At the same time Grube instituted new academic qualifying standards which included a 920 minimum SAT score and 2.5 GPA for all athletes, no exceptions and no special admissions. GSU lost two full recruiting classes with the coaching changes in 2006 and 2007 as the timing of the changes came in January in both instances.

So now we had a team with no confidence, down scholarships, with players ill fitted for the system they were in, and a recruiting effort severly handicapped given the footprint GSU recruits in. The fact that the team was as competitive as it was in 2007 & 2008 is a miracle.

The empty recruiting classes along with a roster sporting 73 Fr & SO came home to roost in 2009 and when Hatcher first challenged the administration over practice times and then spoke up about the entrance requirements at the Atlanta Touchdown Club Grube canned him too and did it in the most classless, unprofessional, and unethical way possible.

Grube has retired effective Dec 31 and GSU has a new president- Brooks Keel from LSU- who has stated that "athletics are the front porch of the university" and that he "respects and admires Erk Russell" and "wants GSU to regain its past glory on the gridiron." Whether Keel will fire AD Sam Baker (unlikely) or ask for his retirement (most likely) and bring in his own man at the end of the academic year remains to be seen. It is also unknown whether Keel will lower admission standards for athletes to a level more in line with NCAA guidelines and allow special admissions.

GSU hired Jeff Monken, who has been a Paul Johnson asst for 13 years, as the new HC. The spread option is returning to GSU. Whether he will be given enough freedom to recruit the horses to run it is a yet unanswered question.

There you have it...

[GoApps70]

Have they fired Monken yet?

[CatMom]

Fuck the real histrionics of it all, I happen to like the TXST win as the cause for the downfall a whole lot better.

[T-Dog]

The ill fated hiring of Van Dickhead was driven by a single booster who is an alumnus and letterman, construction magnate Robert Baker. Van Dickhead trashed the option and the identity of the program.

Now I beg to differ. Eastern Georgia University needed to move on from that gimmicky triple option, those disgusting yellow buses and establish itself new traditions, such as the pro-style offense and air-conditioned buses with TV's. Heck I was planning to drain that disgusting creek in the off season. Thankfully, God realized my talents and got me out of there onto bigger and better things since the people weren't willing to wait for my two...err.....ten-year plan to come to fruition.

[oneball]

Thanks Bball for the informative post always wondered what in hell went down. When you have spineless
people with low morals placed in a position of power the results can become toxic in a hurry, usually with disastrous results.

[Pwns]

The ill fated hiring of Van Dickhead was driven by a single booster who is an alumnus and letterman, construction magnate Robert Baker. Van Dickhead trashed the option and the identity of the program.

Now I beg to differ. Eastern Georgia University needed to move on from that gimmicky triple option, those disgusting yellow buses and establish itself new traditions, such as the pro-style offense and air-conditioned buses with TV's. Heck I was planning to drain that disgusting creek in the off season. Thankfully, God realized my talents and got me out of there onto bigger and better things since the people weren't willing to wait for my two...err.....ten-year plan to come to fruition.

"They also needed me to withdraw GSU's scholarship offer to that chump, Armanti Edwards and bench that midget Jayson Foster who isn't a football player!"

[SUUTbird]

The Griz are going thru a totally new coaching change from top to bottom,and we don't want to go down the
same road GS is travelling,but it can happen tho dammit. Sure be a lot of howling,suicides,and carrying on
if that should God forbid "happen".

I don't think y'all have as much to worry about. GSU dropped their triple option and pissed off a lot of alums.

The Griz may not win conference but they will be back in a year or two I bet. Of course if the other Big Sky schools are graduating some seniors then the Griz may just keep running the table.

Biggest mistake they ever could make, Paul Johson and the Triple Option helped turn that program around and made them great. Now they are just another spread team , need to bring it back.

[oneball]

I've often wondered why coaches seem to ignore the triple option given the success Paul Johnson has had,GS Navy,now GA Tech. Must be difficult to implement and maybe a lot of coaches simply don't know the nuts&bolts of a triple option attack and refuse to learn. Do you have to recruit a certain type of players?
I've seen dozens of games,as we all have,where the situation of the field would lend itself well to a triple option play. For example instead of runnning straight into a stacked box three consecutive plays on a first and goal,or a mid field critical third and short (under five)ect,ect. try something the other team is not expecting. The triple option doesn't have to be your primary offense but it can sure win a game for you.