AGS Poll 11/2/09

[UNHWildCats]

11/2/09 Any Given Saturday Poll Top 25

(First place votes in parenthesis), Points
1. Richmond (85) 2244
2. Montana (4) 2115
3. Southern Illinois (1) 2061
4. Villanova 1944
5. William & Mary 1848
6. Elon 1770
7. Appalachian St. 1671
8. New Hampshire 1654
9. South Dakota St. 1545
10. South Carolina St. 1396
11. McNeese St. 1325
12. Northern Iowa 1288
13. Holy Cross 865
14. Eastern Illinois 831
15. Liberty 782
16. Stephen F. Austin 763
17. Jacksonville St. 757
18. Eastern Washington 694
19. Central Arkansas 572
20. Weber St. 520
21. Colgate 495
22. Delaware 412
23. Lafayette 293
24. Florida A&M 257
25. Central Connecticut St. 173

Others receiving votes (minimum of 5 votes): Northern Arizona (37), Cal Poly (33), Montana St. (31), Prairie View A&M (29), Eastern Kentucky (18), Southeastern Louisiana (16), Texas St. (16), Massachusetts (15), Southern Utah (10), Pennsylvania (5).

MOST SIGNIFICANT WIN OF THE WEEK: Montana
MOST SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF THE WEEK: Delaware


Liberty is way too high

[wkuhillhound]

Northern Arizona is not in the Top 25 but Delaware is........ They got smacked hard by JMU for goodness sakes.

[DJH]

South Carolina State needs to get the 'eff out of there.

[ToTheLeft]

South Carolina State needs to get the 'eff out of there.

I agree. And I am going to FUME when SCSU's propped up rakning gets FAMU into the playoffs over Liberty. It's one thing if a team makes it over LU from a legit conference. But from the MEAC? Please. Coastal is as bad as they've ever been and they beat down A and T.

[ToTheLeft]

Northern Arizona is not in the Top 25 but Delaware is........ They got smacked hard by JMU for goodness sakes.

A loss to JMU isn't such a terrible thing. Look at who they've lost to. FBS Marlyand, half of the top 10, and Hofstra. That's really not so embarrassing. I wouldn't be surprised if JMU won out.

[mcveyrl]

Northern Arizona is not in the Top 25 but Delaware is........ They got smacked hard by JMU for goodness sakes.

A loss to JMU isn't such a terrible thing. Look at who they've lost to. FBS Marlyand, half of the top 10, and Hofstra. That's really not so embarrassing. I wouldn't be surprised if JMU won out.

Yea, you really can't argue with the poll because of everything that's happened but I am (seriously this time ) a little disappointed JMU didn't get any votes. Two wins over Top 25 teams and only one loss to a team we weren't supposed to lose to. Not saying we're gang busters and it could all go to pot if we lose to Maine at home, but for now that sounds like a Top 25 resume to me.

[DukeJack]

A loss to JMU isn't such a terrible thing. Look at who they've lost to. FBS Marlyand, half of the top 10, and Hofstra. That's really not so embarrassing. I wouldn't be surprised if JMU won out.

Yea, you really can't argue with the poll because of everything that's happened but I am (seriously this time ) a little disappointed JMU didn't get any votes. Two wins over Top 25 teams and only one loss to a team we weren't supposed to lose to. Not saying we're gang busters and it could all go to pot if we lose to Maine at home, but for now that sounds like a Top 25 resume to me.

But even if we had beaten Hofstra, that would only put us at 4-4 on the year. Would there be any other team in the country you'd rank with a .500 record?

In my mind, it's not that we lost to Richmond, Nova, or W&M, but how we lost. Completely flat, no one showing any leadership or heart outside of Moats, and poor execution and protection of the ball. The second half last weekend was the first time we have looked like our preseason expectations since Maryland. There have been problems all year from a young secondary who can't finish a tackle to a young quarterback who couldn't hold onto the ball to running backs who can't break the big one the way we're accustomed to seeing.

I've never been a fan of close losses, there isn't an additional column like the NHL. We've lost close this year and been blownout, but there is no reason to try and justify a ranking based on a loss to a sub-.500 team.

[danefan]

Holy Cross at #13!

haha. they lost to brown.

That's just bad.

[danefan]

Blind taste test time:

Sep 5 - W vs. Georgetown, 20-7
Sep 12 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 52-21
Sep 19 - W vs. Harvard, 27-20
Sep 26 - Open
Oct 3 - W at Northeastern, 42-21
Oct 10 - L at Brown, 31-34
Oct 17 - W vs. Dartmouth, 34-14
Oct 24 - W vs. Colgate, 42-28
Oct 31 - W at Fordham, 41-27

versus

Sep 5 - W at Lehigh, 28-21
Sep 12 - L at William & Mary, 14-33
Sep 19 - Open
Sep 26 - W at Columbia, 22-13
Oct 3 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 24-12
Oct 10 - W vs. Robert Morris, 42-21
Oct 17 - W at Duquesne, 31-24
Oct 24 - W at Bryant, 24-23
Oct 31 - W vs. Albany, 31-29

[JMU DJ]

Blind taste test time:

Sep 5 - W vs. Georgetown, 20-7
Sep 12 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 52-21
Sep 19 - W vs. Harvard, 27-20
Sep 26 - Open
Oct 3 - W at Northeastern, 42-21
Oct 10 - L at Brown, 31-34
Oct 17 - W vs. Dartmouth, 34-14
Oct 24 - W vs. Colgate, 42-28
Oct 31 - W at Fordham, 41-27

versus

Sep 5 - W at Lehigh, 28-21
Sep 12 - L at William & Mary, 14-33
Sep 19 - Open
Sep 26 - W at Columbia, 22-13
Oct 3 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 24-12
Oct 10 - W vs. Robert Morris, 42-21
Oct 17 - W at Duquesne, 31-24
Oct 24 - W at Bryant, 24-23
Oct 31 - W vs. Albany, 31-29

Definitely the first choice. Win over a CAA team trumps all others

[mcveyrl]

Yea, you really can't argue with the poll because of everything that's happened but I am (seriously this time ) a little disappointed JMU didn't get any votes. Two wins over Top 25 teams and only one loss to a team we weren't supposed to lose to. Not saying we're gang busters and it could all go to pot if we lose to Maine at home, but for now that sounds like a Top 25 resume to me.

But even if we had beaten Hofstra, that would only put us at 4-4 on the year. Would there be any other team in the country you'd rank with a .500 record?

In my mind, it's not that we lost to Richmond, Nova, or W&M, but how we lost. Completely flat, no one showing any leadership or heart outside of Moats, and poor execution and protection of the ball. The second half last weekend was the first time we have looked like our preseason expectations since Maryland. There have been problems all year from a young secondary who can't finish a tackle to a young quarterback who couldn't hold onto the ball to running backs who can't break the big one the way we're accustomed to seeing.

I've never been a fan of close losses, there isn't an additional column like the NHL. We've lost close this year and been blownout, but there is no reason to try and justify a ranking based on a loss to a sub-.500 team.

If Liberty is really no. 15, don't you think we looked like a preseason Top 10 against them? Don't feed me the Dudzik bullshit because we beat them all over the field, especially on the lines.

There are plenty of teams I would rank at .500 depending on who they lost to and who they beat. And I agree that our two losses before UD were bad. But if we're really just looking at resume, it's hard to beat two wins over Top 25 teams. It would be different if everybody had downgraded Delaware and Liberty, but they still say they are Top 25.

[danefan]

Blind taste test time:

Sep 5 - W vs. Georgetown, 20-7
Sep 12 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 52-21
Sep 19 - W vs. Harvard, 27-20
Sep 26 - Open
Oct 3 - W at Northeastern, 42-21
Oct 10 - L at Brown, 31-34
Oct 17 - W vs. Dartmouth, 34-14
Oct 24 - W vs. Colgate, 42-28
Oct 31 - W at Fordham, 41-27

versus

Sep 5 - W at Lehigh, 28-21
Sep 12 - L at William & Mary, 14-33
Sep 19 - Open
Sep 26 - W at Columbia, 22-13
Oct 3 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 24-12
Oct 10 - W vs. Robert Morris, 42-21
Oct 17 - W at Duquesne, 31-24
Oct 24 - W at Bryant, 24-23
Oct 31 - W vs. Albany, 31-29

Definitely the first choice. Win over a CAA team trumps all others

The first choice is #13.
The second choice is #25 AGS and not ranked in TSN.

[rant]
These polls are a sull-fulfulling fantasy right now. The PL voters have written themselves into a higher GPI ranking and now they'll be saying they deserve an At-large because of the higher GPI.

Total bullshit. Sorry for the language, but it completely pisses me off.

[/rant]

I cannot wait until the NEC champ plays the Patriot leage champ next year in the opening round. Finally we'll get to settle it on the field.

[dgreco]

Blind taste test time:

Sep 5 - W vs. Georgetown, 20-7
Sep 12 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 52-21
Sep 19 - W vs. Harvard, 27-20
Sep 26 - Open
Oct 3 - W at Northeastern, 42-21
Oct 10 - L at Brown, 31-34
Oct 17 - W vs. Dartmouth, 34-14
Oct 24 - W vs. Colgate, 42-28
Oct 31 - W at Fordham, 41-27

versus

Sep 5 - W at Lehigh, 28-21
Sep 12 - L at William & Mary, 14-33
Sep 19 - Open
Sep 26 - W at Columbia, 22-13
Oct 3 - W vs. Sacred Heart, 24-12
Oct 10 - W vs. Robert Morris, 42-21
Oct 17 - W at Duquesne, 31-24
Oct 24 - W at Bryant, 24-23
Oct 31 - W vs. Albany, 31-29

Team #1, 1 bad loss, one decent win, one mediocre win, 5 who cares wins.

Team #2, 1 good loss, one good win, one borderline mediocre win, 5 who cares wins.

They should be a lot closer than they are.

Add in Team #3

Sep 5 - L West Virginia, 33-20
Sep 12 - W North Carolina Central, 35-10
Sep 19 - W Lafayette, 19-13
Sep 26 - L James Madison, 24-10
Oct 3 - W West Virginia Wesleyan, 45-7
Oct 17 - W Coastal Carolina, 58-13
Oct 24 - W Charleston Southern, 20-13
Oct 31 - W Presbyterian, 55-19

Team #3 1 good loss, 1 okay loss, one good win, one mediocre win, 3 who cares wins, 1 really no one cares win.

Team #1 - 7 DI wins
Team #2 - 7 DI wins
Team #3 - 5 DI wins

I think there is a case that CCSU has the best resume right now of those teams. Liberty has the chance for more movement if JMU continues to win though

[danefan]

I think I might not be able to follow FCS football the rest of the season.

[Franks Tanks]

Definitely the first choice. Win over a CAA team trumps all others

The first choice is #13.
The second choice is #25 AGS and not ranked in TSN.

[rant]
These polls are a sull-fulfulling fantasy right now. The PL voters have written themselves into a higher GPI ranking and now they'll be saying they deserve an At-large because of the higher GPI.

Total bullshit. Sorry for the language, but it completely pisses me off.

[/rant]

I cannot wait until the NEC champ plays the Patriot leage champ next year in the opening round. Finally we'll get to settle it on the field.

CCSU beat a crappy Lehigh and Columbia team. Granted the Leopards struggled with Columbia as well, but CCSU hasnt beaten anyone as good as Harvard for example. Albany had an impressive win vs. Maine, but also barely beat Bryant who got crushed by so-so Fordham. The top of the NEC and the top of the PL is pretty even. However the NEC teams have built up little capital at the FCS, so the PL gets the benefit of the doubt as this point. I cant wait either-- this NEC bicthing is getting very tired.

[Skjellyfetti]

SC State is a legit top 10 team.

[danefan]

The first choice is #13.
The second choice is #25 AGS and not ranked in TSN.

[rant]
These polls are a sull-fulfulling fantasy right now. The PL voters have written themselves into a higher GPI ranking and now they'll be saying they deserve an At-large because of the higher GPI.

Total bullshit. Sorry for the language, but it completely pisses me off.

[/rant]

I cannot wait until the NEC champ plays the Patriot leage champ next year in the opening round. Finally we'll get to settle it on the field.

CCSU beat a crappy Lehigh and Columbia team. Granted the Leopards struggled with Columbia as well, but CCSU hasnt beaten anyone as good as Harvard for example. Albany had an impressive win vs. Maine, but also barely beat Bryant who got crushed by so-so Fordham. The top of the NEC and the top of the PL is pretty even. However the NEC teams have built up little capital at the FCS, so the PL gets the benefit of the doubt as this point. I cant wait either-- this NEC bicthing is getting very tired.

Thank you for confirming that Holy Cross is not in any way ranked #13 because of how good of a team they are, or because of what they have proven on the field.

At least I'm not going crazy.

A "FCS capital" reserve is a ridiculous justification for a poll position and inclusion in the playoffs. That's what is happening here.

[Franks Tanks]

CCSU beat a crappy Lehigh and Columbia team. Granted the Leopards struggled with Columbia as well, but CCSU hasnt beaten anyone as good as Harvard for example. Albany had an impressive win vs. Maine, but also barely beat Bryant who got crushed by so-so Fordham. The top of the NEC and the top of the PL is pretty even. However the NEC teams have built up little capital at the FCS, so the PL gets the benefit of the doubt as this point. I cant wait either-- this NEC bicthing is getting very tired.

Thank you for confirming that Holy Cross is not in any way ranked #13 because of how good of a team they are, or because of what they have proven on the field.

At least I'm not going crazy.

A "FCS capital" reserve is a ridiculous justification for a poll position and inclusion in the playoffs. That's what is happening here.

Again I dont give a crap where Holy Cross is ranked. We have a playoff for a reason and if Holy Cross wins out they will get their chance to prove how good or bad they are. Yes captial is built when a league sends it champion to the National Title game, and wins a few games in the playoffs. Would Boise State be ranked so high right now without that win vs. Oklahoma a few years back? Perhaps not--- they are building their program and capital with the voters and are being rewarded for this season and for building a program. Should USC have been ranked so high at the start of this year..no, but voters were looking at past performance.

[danefan]

Thank you for confirming that Holy Cross is not in any way ranked #13 because of how good of a team they are, or because of what they have proven on the field.

At least I'm not going crazy.

A "FCS capital" reserve is a ridiculous justification for a poll position and inclusion in the playoffs. That's what is happening here.

Again I dont give a crap where Holy Cross is ranked. We have a playoff for a reason and if Holy Cross wins out they will get their chance to prove how good or bad they are. Yes captial is built when a league sends it champion to the National Title game, and wins a few games in the playoffs. Would Boise State be ranked so high right now without that win vs. Oklahoma a few years back? Perhaps not--- they are building their program and capital with the voters and are being rewarded for this season and for building a program. Should USC have been ranked so high at the start of this year..no, but voters were looking at past performance.

And all of a sudden the BCS system as something that is "right."

FCS Capital is bullshit. The best 25 teams in the country should be ranked. The best 8 eligible teams in the country should get at-large bids. My frustartion is because that is not going to happen this year. And it will more likely than not be because of this "capital" you reference. Its a complete crock of shit.


And I don't care where HC is ranked either, as long as they win the AQ. If tbey don't then I have a huge problem.

[Franks Tanks]

Again I dont give a crap where Holy Cross is ranked. We have a playoff for a reason and if Holy Cross wins out they will get their chance to prove how good or bad they are. Yes captial is built when a league sends it champion to the National Title game, and wins a few games in the playoffs. Would Boise State be ranked so high right now without that win vs. Oklahoma a few years back? Perhaps not--- they are building their program and capital with the voters and are being rewarded for this season and for building a program. Should USC have been ranked so high at the start of this year..no, but voters were looking at past performance.

And all of a sudden the BCS system as something that is "right."

FCS Capital is bullshit. The best 25 teams in the country should be ranked. The best 8 eligible teams in the country should get at-large bids. My frustartion is because that is not going to happen this year. And it will more likely than not be because of this "capital" you reference. Its a complete crock of ****.


And I don't care where HC is ranked either, as long as they win the AQ. If tbey don't then I have a huge problem.

Well it is impossible top say who the best teams are because many teams rarely play out of their region. Just about all conferences are offeners. The PL never leaves the NE as the Southland and Big Sky rarely leave their areas as well. This is dont for a reason, but makes it virtually impossible to compare Holy Cross to Eastern Washington. Again CCSU or Albany do not have a better resume than Holy Cross. The resume may be simialr or about equal, buut not better.

[danefan]

And all of a sudden the BCS system as something that is "right."

FCS Capital is bullshit. The best 25 teams in the country should be ranked. The best 8 eligible teams in the country should get at-large bids. My frustartion is because that is not going to happen this year. And it will more likely than not be because of this "capital" you reference. Its a complete crock of ****.


And I don't care where HC is ranked either, as long as they win the AQ. If tbey don't then I have a huge problem.

Well it is impossible top say who the best teams are because many teams rarely play out of their region. Just about all conferences are offeners. The PL never leaves the NE as the Southland and Big Sky rarely leave their areas as well. This is dont for a reason, but makes it virtually impossible to compare Holy Cross to Eastern Washington. Again CCSU or Albany do not have a better resume than Holy Cross. The resume may be simialr or about equal, buut not better.

Its not virtually impossible. Its quite easy actually. HC was free on channelsurfing.net this weekend. Eastern Washington is always on BigSkyTV for free.

And I have never said that Albany and/or CCSU have a better resume than HC. They are just about equal, with an edge to CCSU over HC because of HC's bad loss to Brown.

Don't you see how that bothers us though? HC is ranked 13th! 13th! CCSU is barely in the AGS poll and isn't in the TSN or Coaches poll. Albany isn't even receiving votes anymore in the TSN, yet Colgate and Lafayette are ranked?

[isumatt]

The cream will rise to the top, and the scum will fall to the bottom...Its hard to hold a team like Liberty and SCSU down when they continue to win and more than half of the bottom of the poll lose...Then SCSU will rise and Liberty will rise to a crest and when the lose, they will fall like a rock, now if they dont lose, them maybe, JUST MAYBE, they deserve to be where they are at

I did not vote in the AGS poll this week...

[Franks Tanks]

Well it is impossible top say who the best teams are because many teams rarely play out of their region. Just about all conferences are offeners. The PL never leaves the NE as the Southland and Big Sky rarely leave their areas as well. This is dont for a reason, but makes it virtually impossible to compare Holy Cross to Eastern Washington. Again CCSU or Albany do not have a better resume than Holy Cross. The resume may be simialr or about equal, buut not better.

Its not virtually impossible. Its quite easy actually. HC was free on channelsurfing.net this weekend. Eastern Washington is always on BigSkyTV for free.

And I have never said that Albany and/or CCSU have a better resume than HC. They are just about equal, with an edge to CCSU over HC because of HC's bad loss to Brown.

Don't you see how that bothers us though? HC is ranked 13th! 13th! CCSU is barely in the AGS poll and isn't in the TSN or Coaches poll. Albany isn't even receiving votes anymore in the TSN, yet Colgate and Lafayette are ranked?

Play better teams and beat them. A bad loss to Brown?? Well yes that wasnt a great effort by Holy Cross but Brown is still a dangerous team. I dont believe you can easily compare two teams that never play any common opponents just by watching..very difficult. One team may look great, but you have no idea how they will really match up.

Albany has 3 losses, I wouldnt expect any PL team to be ranked with 3 losses no matter who we played. Go 7-1 and get ranked.

[UNHWildCats]

The cream will rise to the top, and the scum will fall to the bottom...Its hard to hold a team like Liberty and SCSU down when they continue to win and more than half of the bottom of the poll lose...Then SCSU will rise and Liberty will rise to a crest and when the lose, they will fall like a rock, now if they dont lose, them maybe, JUST MAYBE, they deserve to be where they are at

I did not vote in the AGS poll this week...

its easy to win all the time when playing the likes of Charleston Southern, VMI, Presbyterian, Howard and Bethune-Cookman.

[Skjellyfetti]

its easy to win all the time when playing the likes of Charleston Southern, VMI, Presbyterian, Howard and Bethune-Cookman.

SC State hasn't been playing a tough schedule... true. But, they are quality team. One of the best (if not the best) RB's in the country, a very capable QB, and a stout defense. Depending on how the brackets end up I think they have a great shot at ending the MEAC's losing streak.