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I don't remember seeing details like this before:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/yb/136838107
All appear to coexist well now, but questions abound about possible changes in the league alignment, or even a split into two leagues.

"I hope they don't ever feel that way, but everybody's got to make those calls," said Yeager, who explained there aren't any such changes forthcoming -- for the moment.

"There are challenges, but when you look at what are the benefits, and what would we lose going a different direction, I think at this point, with all the complications, we still believe that the benefits outweigh the tradeoff," he said.

Cosgrove and UMaine athletic director Blake James both think the university and the CAA are a good fit.

"We fully fund our football program as well as, if not better than, teams in the league as far as scholarships," said James, who pointed to UMaine's recently renovated Morse Field at d Alfond Stadium, the Mahaney Dome practice facility and the Latti Fitness Center as other key pieces of infrastructure.

"We have a very good situation. I don't see anything out there that would put us at a disadvantage," James added.

Cosgrove said UMaine utilizes its position in the powerhouse CAA as a drawing card. The number of national champions and playoff teams from the league, as well as its reputation, are attractive to recruits.

"We say those things to our student-athletes that we recruit to get them here and we promote it because if you're good in this league, you're pretty darned good," Cosgrove said.

CAA also has television deals to air 50 of its games this fall.

"I've always thought that we need to be in this league because it raises the standard of excellence that we can achieve as a football program," Cosgrove added.

The present setup, which involves two, six-team divisions based mostly on geography, seems to work well for most CAA teams,. Teams play five games against division teams and three against squads in the other division.

That leaves three nonleague games, usually including one profitable matchup against a Football Bowl Subdivision program. This season, four CAA teams beat FBS foes.

"It helps recruiting. It helps profile," Yeager said.

It has been suggested travel outside the division creates hardships for some teams. It's a sentiment that sometimes arises when South Division teams have to play in Orono.

Yeager pointed out most CAA teams, including UMaine, are near major airports and use charter flights rather than commercial arrangements.

He said teams generally are looking at a maximum of three flights to CAA games every two years, regardless of which division they're playing in.

That reality helps diffuse the misconception that a split of CAA teams into two leagues -- one in the Northeast and one in the Mid-Atlantic -- would result in a big cost savings.

"Even if you broke away, you haven't really changed the economy of who you're playing," said Yeager, who surmised teams would then likely have to charter flights for some added nonleague opponents, erasing any potential savings.

After the addition of Georgia State, there will be changes. Yeager said the league's southernmost school would be placed in the North Division. And the Panthers will play four games against teams in each division.

That was a concession to South teams that did not want to relocate to the North. It also will lead to some teams not playing a geographic or traditional rival as the schedule rotates every two years.


"Some of the alignment things that look to be in the future are a little skewed," Cosgrove said of the current plan.

What may eventually force the CAA's hand is continued expansion. There are four CAA schools that do not sponsor football, but some appear to have the means to do so.

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The CAA is a mess. I can understand why they want to keep things in tact, because they have a good thing going, but they really need to sort some things out. Women's tennis (or most other olympic sports) from GSU going to Maine every year is a travel cost that just doesn't seem worth it.

I don't have a solution other than to split it in half. There really aren't that many logical choices other than just splitting it up and picking up some other teams to fill out the two new conferences.
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ToTheLeft wrote:The CAA is a mess. I can understand why they want to keep things in tact, because they have a good thing going, but they really need to sort some things out. Women's tennis (or most other olympic sports) from GSU going to Maine every year is a travel cost that just doesn't seem worth it.
Maine doesn't play any other sports in the CAA besides football. Northeastern is the CAA's northernmost all-sports member.
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LastMinuteman wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:The CAA is a mess. I can understand why they want to keep things in tact, because they have a good thing going, but they really need to sort some things out. Women's tennis (or most other olympic sports) from GSU going to Maine every year is a travel cost that just doesn't seem worth it.
Maine doesn't play any other sports in the CAA besides football. Northeastern is the CAA's northernmost all-sports member.

My mistake, but the point still stands.
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Well, but it's not like this situation is an unforeseen circumstance. Northeastern and Georgia State were the last two teams the CAA added, and both in the same year (2005). Nobody has left since then. They created this large footprint intentionally. The only thing they may not have foreseen is Georgia State starting a football team, but they specifically added Northeastern so they could take control of the football conference from the Atlantic 10. Georgia State's women's tennis team still would have been traveling to Northeastern regardless of what's happened since in football (Northeastern doesn't actually have a women's tennis team, but like you say that's not really the point).
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The truth of the matter is that there is no one "all sports" conference that will take care of schools that play football under the CAA banner...

Take UMass - an all-sports member of the Atlantic 10...but we play football in the CAA, hockey in Hockey East, lacrosse in the ECAC...these are the major men's sports, all in different conferences...

IMHO, it's a mess...but to get top-flight competition in each sport, we play in a different conference...

There is no one conference that could meet our needs...
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What I don't understand is why Georgia State was a choice for the CAA in the first place? Don't the SoCon/Big South make much more sense? Someone please explain the back story to this selection.
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I believe Georgia State was added to please the athletic department at UNCW, who were unhappy with all the new additions of northern schools to the conference (Drexel, Hofstra, Northeastern). If there's a CAA historian out there, please correct me if I'm wrong.
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grizband wrote:What I don't understand is why Georgia State was a choice for the CAA in the first place? Don't the SoCon/Big South make much more sense? Someone please explain the back story to this selection.
There's a guy on AGS that continues to state with absolute certainty that Georgia State will be a full-sport SoCon member before they begin full CAA play in 2012.

Doesn't look like its going to happen to me, but who knows.

I think the CAA should just add Albany and split into three divisions. :thumb:

When (if) Georgia State leaves, add Stony Brook and keep the 3 divisions.
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danefan wrote:
grizband wrote:What I don't understand is why Georgia State was a choice for the CAA in the first place? Don't the SoCon/Big South make much more sense? Someone please explain the back story to this selection.
There's a guy on AGS that continues to state with absolute certainty that Georgia State will be a full-sport SoCon member before they begin full CAA play in 2012.

Doesn't look like its going to happen to me, but who knows.

I think the CAA should just add Albany and split into three divisions. :thumb:

When (if) Georgia State leaves, add Stony Brook and keep the 3 divisions.
Three divisions of what 5 teams?

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andy7171 wrote:
danefan wrote:
There's a guy on AGS that continues to state with absolute certainty that Georgia State will be a full-sport SoCon member before they begin full CAA play in 2012.

Doesn't look like its going to happen to me, but who knows.

I think the CAA should just add Albany and split into three divisions. :thumb:

When (if) Georgia State leaves, add Stony Brook and keep the 3 divisions.
Three divisions of what 5 teams?

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When the conference has a large footprint, it is desirable to have at least two teams in close proximity of one another. UNCW had to always travel north. Hofstra had to always travel south. I'm not saying that GSU and NU were the ideal answers but they included the Boston and Atlanta markets which was attractive to the CAA. There have been cries from the Hofstra media in the last year to exit the CAA because of the southern bias. Richmond fans have been generally unhappy with the move to the A-10. They lack any natural rivals and CAA basketball finished ahead of the A-10 a year or two since their move.
My guess is that a realignment may see an all-sports member or two of the CAA leaving and Richmond coming back to the CAA. Maybe Hofstra and NU leaves and the CAA picks up Richomnd and Charlotte.
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CAA Flagship wrote:Richmond fans have been generally unhappy with the move to the A-10. They lack any natural rivals and CAA basketball finished ahead of the A-10 a year or two since their move.
The A10 had one bad year in 2005 when we dropped from 8th to 15th in RPI. The CAA had one good year in 2006 when they finished 10th while the A10 was still figuring out how to play the RPI game and finished 11th by .0015 of a point. It hasn't been close since then and order has been restored.
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btw, there are a few factual inaccuracies with this guy's article.

The one glaring one is his statement about the CAA voting out affiliate football players.

The CAA Football Conference is actually a football only conference. Each member gets an equal vote. There really are no CAA football affiliates. So it will be very difficult, if not impossible, for the CAA All-sports members to kick the affilaites out of the CAA Football Conference.
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