not all that ironic.frinq wrote:The irony is that there will be teams with four losses that get a bid.
What I posted wasfrinq wrote:Sagarin's got PSU at the same level as Cal Poly - but that's before Davis smacked Cal Poly and PSU took Sac State. I expect the rankings to change a little.
and had those results factored in.COLLEGE FOOTBALL 2011 through results of NOVEMBER 5 SATURDAY
None of that matters. If the committee did not take Montana last year at 7-4, with one of those being a win over a Division II school, then they aren't going to take Portland State this year with a 8-3 mark, with two of those wins being over an NAIA and a Division III. I am not saying Portland State isn't a playoff caliber team or isn't deserving, but if your AD is serious about getting PSU into the playoffs, then he needs to stop scheduling those dumbass games and PSU needs to up their OOC opposition. The only scenario in which this would not matter is if PSU had won the auto-bid, which would make all of the above moot. But when you are heading into the season where 4 other teams from the Big Sky are in the pre-season top 25 in FCS, scheduling 2 drop-down games is not a good formula for making the playoffs.frinq wrote:If PSU wins their last two games - very likely - they'll end up 8-3. In fact, if MSU beats Montana next week - very likely - PSU will end up tied with Montana for second in the Big Sky. Mind, Montana did beat PSU by 6 points, so they have the edge.
It's not unthinkable. The Big Sky has sent 3 teams to the playoffs multiple times, the most recent being in 2009 when Montana, EWU, and Weber State went. Note, all three had at least 7 Division I wins.frinq wrote:That's probably so. I suppose they could give 3 bids to the BSC, but that's unthinkable.
I know I'm preaching to the quire here, but do you see a trend? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would like to think there's a reason that EWU, PSU, Weber, and Cal Poly continue to put themselves behind the 8-ball with scheduling. I find it hard to believe these AD's are really that ignorant when it comes to the playoffs.EWURanger wrote:None of that matters. If the committee did not take Montana last year at 7-4, with one of those being a win over a Division II school, then they aren't going to take Portland State this year with a 8-3 mark, with two of those wins being over an NAIA and a Division III. I am not saying Portland State isn't a playoff caliber team or isn't deserving, but if your AD is serious about getting PSU into the playoffs, then he needs to stop scheduling those dumbass games and PSU needs to up their OOC opposition. The only scenario in which this would not matter is if PSU had won the auto-bid, which would make all of the above moot. But when you are heading into the season where 4 other teams from the Big Sky are in the pre-season top 25 in FCS, scheduling 2 drop-down games is not a good formula for making the playoffs.frinq wrote:If PSU wins their last two games - very likely - they'll end up 8-3. In fact, if MSU beats Montana next week - very likely - PSU will end up tied with Montana for second in the Big Sky. Mind, Montana did beat PSU by 6 points, so they have the edge.
It's not unthinkable. The Big Sky has sent 3 teams to the playoffs multiple times, the most recent being in 2009 when Montana, EWU, and Weber State went. Note, all three had at least 7 Division I wins.frinq wrote:That's probably so. I suppose they could give 3 bids to the BSC, but that's unthinkable.
PSU has a good team this year. Unfortunately, through no fault of their own, they will get left out.
Go back to your madrasa...er...I mean "university".SuperHornet wrote:kalm: I was about to smack you for bad spelling, but it seems that I can't do that. While the "normal" meaning for quire is a set of 24 (or 25, depending on the source) sheets of paper assembled for book binding, there is ALSO an archaic meaning corresponding to the modern choir.
So you're right after all.
http://www2.newsadvance.com/sports/2011 ... r-1438320/NEW THIS WEEK: Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas
OUT FROM LAST WEEK: Jacksonville State, Indiana State
FIRST ROUND
Norfolk State (9-2) at Liberty (8-3)
Illinois State (8-3) at Maine (8-3)
Albany (8-3) at Furman (7-4)
Eastern Kentucky (7-4) at Central Arkansas (8-3)
SECOND ROUND
ISU/Maine winner at #1 North Dakota State (11-0)
Northern Iowa (8-3) at Montana (8-3)
NSU/Liberty winner at #4 Georgia Southern (9-2)
Towson (9-2) at #5 Lehigh (10-1)
Albany/Furman at #3 Sam Houston State (11-0)
Wofford (8-3) at Old Dominion (9-2)
EKU/UCA winner at #2 Montana State (10-1)
New Hampshire (8-3) at Appalachian State (8-3)
NOTES: JMU is going to have a really hard time getting in at 7-4 this season. Just don't see it. The Dukes needed to beat one of the top teams in the CAA and they whiffed against Maine, UNH and ODU. The best win on their schedule is at Liberty. Furman's win over App State is better than anything JMU has on its resume. Also, Albany and Maine is a natural fit as a first-round matchup, but the two teams met earlier this year and Maine is more than 400 miles from Albany (408 to be exact). So the NCAA won't be held to that regional matchup. Hard to believe that the CAA champ wouldn't get a seed, and I could see Towson sneaking in as the No. 5. If that happens, they'll probably still play Lehigh, but the game would be at Towson.
The trend is $$$ and the fact that there aren't enough FCS teams to play out west.kalm wrote:I know I'm preaching to the quire here, but do you see a trend? Perhaps I'm wrong, but I would like to think there's a reason that EWU, PSU, Weber, and Cal Poly continue to put themselves behind the 8-ball with scheduling. I find it hard to believe these AD's are really that ignorant when it comes to the playoffs.EWURanger wrote:
None of that matters. If the committee did not take Montana last year at 7-4, with one of those being a win over a Division II school, then they aren't going to take Portland State this year with a 8-3 mark, with two of those wins being over an NAIA and a Division III. I am not saying Portland State isn't a playoff caliber team or isn't deserving, but if your AD is serious about getting PSU into the playoffs, then he needs to stop scheduling those dumbass games and PSU needs to up their OOC opposition. The only scenario in which this would not matter is if PSU had won the auto-bid, which would make all of the above moot. But when you are heading into the season where 4 other teams from the Big Sky are in the pre-season top 25 in FCS, scheduling 2 drop-down games is not a good formula for making the playoffs.
It's not unthinkable. The Big Sky has sent 3 teams to the playoffs multiple times, the most recent being in 2009 when Montana, EWU, and Weber State went. Note, all three had at least 7 Division I wins.
PSU has a good team this year. Unfortunately, through no fault of their own, they will get left out.
Just FYI, Montana's Jim O'Day is also on the playoff selection committee......and when Montana was a bubble team at 7-4 last season, he wasn't allowed in on the discussion as to whether or not the Griz were going to be selected.∞∞∞ wrote:I don't know...Jeff Bourne (JMU's athletic director) is on the FCS selection committee. If they finish 7-4, you'd bet your ass off that he'll be in there talking JMU and the new $tadium up. It's nice to have friends in high places; I think JMU's in at 7-4.
∞∞∞ wrote:I don't know...Jeff Bourne (JMU's athletic director) is on the FCS selection committee. If they finish 7-4, you'd bet your ass off that he'll be in there talking JMU and the new $tadium up. It's nice to have friends in high places; I think JMU's in at 7-4.
There is no WAY the CAA auto-bid isn't a seeded team. And no WAY Lehigh gets a seed over the CAA winner. That puts Lehigh on the road (most likely) in the opening round with Maine a bye into the second round.Knucklehead wrote:Here is a projection from Chris Lang who is a great FCS beat writer:
http://www2.newsadvance.com/sports/2011 ... r-1438320/NEW THIS WEEK: Eastern Kentucky, Central Arkansas
OUT FROM LAST WEEK: Jacksonville State, Indiana State
FIRST ROUND
Norfolk State (9-2) at Liberty (8-3)
Illinois State (8-3) at Maine (8-3)
Albany (8-3) at Furman (7-4)
Eastern Kentucky (7-4) at Central Arkansas (8-3)
SECOND ROUND
ISU/Maine winner at #1 North Dakota State (11-0)
Northern Iowa (8-3) at Montana (8-3)
NSU/Liberty winner at #4 Georgia Southern (9-2)
Towson (9-2) at #5 Lehigh (10-1)
Albany/Furman at #3 Sam Houston State (11-0)
Wofford (8-3) at Old Dominion (9-2)
EKU/UCA winner at #2 Montana State (10-1)
New Hampshire (8-3) at Appalachian State (8-3)
NOTES: JMU is going to have a really hard time getting in at 7-4 this season. Just don't see it. The Dukes needed to beat one of the top teams in the CAA and they whiffed against Maine, UNH and ODU. The best win on their schedule is at Liberty. Furman's win over App State is better than anything JMU has on its resume. Also, Albany and Maine is a natural fit as a first-round matchup, but the two teams met earlier this year and Maine is more than 400 miles from Albany (408 to be exact). So the NCAA won't be held to that regional matchup. Hard to believe that the CAA champ wouldn't get a seed, and I could see Towson sneaking in as the No. 5. If that happens, they'll probably still play Lehigh, but the game would be at Towson.
Not if they were playing Montana, but I would think they would keep them apart for that reason.clenz wrote:So...who does he have UNI losing too?
Also, UNI WILL be hosting any game they aren't playing a seeded team....bank it.
