You didn't even sell out your home playoff game, JaBBer.JBB wrote:A lot, especially in Football. Attendance records have been set in both sports dude!
Football attendance has been at all time highs since we opened our first FCS game with the Valpo sell-out.
Ahhhh reading this still makes me giggle like a little girl, I'm guessing JBB was the main proponent of the Bison fans who were saying they should have a bowl game when they beat us that year?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:NUMBER OF SELLOUTS SINCE D-I... since you STILL didn't answer the questionJBB wrote:A lot, especially in Football. Attendance records have been set in both sports dude!
Football attendance has been at all time highs since we opened our first FCS game with the Valpo sell-out.
I'll be generous and call a sellout 18,500 or more...
2010 - WIU
2009 - Ill St.
2008 - Austin Peay, CCSU, SIU
2007 - UC Davis, SHSU, SFA (the year we went 10-0 until Brookings...)
2006 - SDSU
that's 9 sellouts in 5 seasons. and if you take only 19,000 or more as a sellout... we've sold out 2 - that's right 2 games( SDSU in 06 and Austin Peay in 08)
average attendance, while growing - still isn't near 18k...
we averaged 16,500 for 2010 - that's 2,500 UNDER capacity. with a team vying for - and then playing in the playoffs.
Thumper 76 wrote:Ahhhh reading this still makes me giggle like a little girl, I'm guessing JBB was the main proponent of the Bison fans who were saying they should have a bowl game when they beat us that year?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
NUMBER OF SELLOUTS SINCE D-I... since you STILL didn't answer the question
I'll be generous and call a sellout 18,500 or more...
2010 - WIU
2009 - Ill St.
2008 - Austin Peay, CCSU, SIU
2007 - UC Davis, SHSU, SFA (the year we went 10-0 until Brookings...)
2006 - SDSU
that's 9 sellouts in 5 seasons. and if you take only 19,000 or more as a sellout... we've sold out 2 - that's right 2 games( SDSU in 06 and Austin Peay in 08)
average attendance, while growing - still isn't near 18k...
we averaged 16,500 for 2010 - that's 2,500 UNDER capacity. with a team vying for - and then playing in the playoffs.
That wouldn't suprise me.Thumper 76 wrote:Ahhhh reading this still makes me giggle like a little girl, I'm guessing JBB was the main proponent of the Bison fans who were saying they should have a bowl game when they beat us that year?TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
NUMBER OF SELLOUTS SINCE D-I... since you STILL didn't answer the question
I'll be generous and call a sellout 18,500 or more...
2010 - WIU
2009 - Ill St.
2008 - Austin Peay, CCSU, SIU
2007 - UC Davis, SHSU, SFA (the year we went 10-0 until Brookings...)
2006 - SDSU
that's 9 sellouts in 5 seasons. and if you take only 19,000 or more as a sellout... we've sold out 2 - that's right 2 games( SDSU in 06 and Austin Peay in 08)
average attendance, while growing - still isn't near 18k...
we averaged 16,500 for 2010 - that's 2,500 UNDER capacity. with a team vying for - and then playing in the playoffs.
Maybe SDSU wouldve been 6-4, but I can safely say that NDSU wouldve been around 9-2. That same bison team beat the MAC champion, Central Michigan, that same year by 30 points. I would agree that they probably wouldn't have gone undefeated.houndawg wrote:Thumper 76 wrote: Ahhhh reading this still makes me giggle like a little girl, I'm guessing JBB was the main proponent of the Bison fans who were saying they should have a bowl game when they beat us that year?
If NDSU had been in the MVC that year, the Marker game would have been played between two 6-4 teams......
hey scoutmaster... it's 86%... (c'mon SU is practically an A&M, you can't get basic division right?)JBB wrote:Valpo was an announced sellout.
Aug. 28, 200416,500 is 90% of capacity playing against FCS competition.Kyle Steffes wrote: On his opening touchdown
"The guy that got me the block was Tyler Roehl. It was fourth and one, and I was just going for short yards. But when you see a whole like that, you have to hit it."
On the anticipation of the first game
"It was a packed house, almost 19,000. I was jacked right away. I had to calm myself down because I was losing my energy getting all hyped up."
The stadium is already too small. Its just a matter of time now. When season ticket sales go over the 60% mark talk will start on a new stadium if the economy is healthy. I imagine you will speak out against it?
dunno about 6-4, but 7-3 or 8-2 seems probable... conference games are a different animal - but that team was damn good.houndawg wrote:Thumper 76 wrote: Ahhhh reading this still makes me giggle like a little girl, I'm guessing JBB was the main proponent of the Bison fans who were saying they should have a bowl game when they beat us that year?
If NDSU had been in the MVC that year, the Marker game would have been played between two 6-4 teams......
That team might have won a NC if they could have had the chance...Walker was the perfect QB for NDSU's offense. Still remember him throwing for over 450 yards vs Ball State, hell now it takes about three games for our offense to amass 450 passing yards.TwinTownBisonFan wrote:dunno about 6-4, but 7-3 or 8-2 seems probable... conference games are a different animal - but that team was damn good.houndawg wrote:
If NDSU had been in the MVC that year, the Marker game would have been played between two 6-4 teams......
FargoBison wrote:That team might have won a NC if they could have had the chance...TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
dunno about 6-4, but 7-3 or 8-2 seems probable... conference games are a different animal - but that team was damn good.
SDSU was 6-4, that's why I said two 6-4 teams.Thundering Herd wrote:Maybe SDSU wouldve been 6-4, but I can safely say that NDSU wouldve been around 9-2. That same bison team beat the MAC champion, Central Michigan, that same year by 30 points. I would agree that they probably wouldn't have gone undefeated.houndawg wrote:
If NDSU had been in the MVC that year, the Marker game would have been played between two 6-4 teams......
Based on losing one game to our rival? Hell NDSU didn't score a point against Missouri State in our last regular season game this year and that didn't really mean anything once postseason play began.houndawg wrote:FargoBison wrote:
That team might have won a NC if they could have had the chance...
Maybe, but doubtful, based on the way they finished...
Well, yes. All you had to do was beat a 6-4 team, rival or not, to go undefeated for the season.FargoBison wrote:Based on losing one game to our rival? Hell NDSU didn't score a point against Missouri State in our last regular season game this year and that didn't really mean anything once postseason play began.houndawg wrote:
Maybe, but doubtful, based on the way they finished...
JBB wrote:What NDSU lacked was depth. We were pretty beat up by the SDSU game that year. It was till a good game but we had a lot of guys on the sidelines or playing hurt.
Some guy figures 86% and I rounded 89% and a fraction to 90%: 16500/18500=89.19%. NDSU wasnt exactly on top of the world going into last season either and still sold just under 10,000 season tickets.
All three figures make my point: The Prestigious Fargo Dome is nearing capacity and The BISON will need a larger stadium soon. Our market has the potential to draw the FBS average crowd of 45,545 in 2010 if we were in an FBS conference. The Big 12 would be a real winner in Fargo and practacly guarantee a full house week after week.
When we build a larger stadium it has to be a horseshoe with expansion potential to the 50,000 range. It should be built with 30,000 seats completed and ready to sell.
Try and rent a box in the Prestigious Arena we call the Fabulous Fargo Dome. In the old days it was easy. They dont answer calls now. Things are changing. The small thinkers thought the FCS/D1 move was a huge mistake. What are the small thinkers saying now? 6,500 seats for BB is just fine. The FFD is all we will ever need.
JBB wrote:What NDSU lacked was depth. We were pretty beat up by the SDSU game that year. It was till a good game but we had a lot of guys on the sidelines or playing hurt.
Some guy figures 86% and I rounded 89% and a fraction to 90%: 16500/18500=89.19%. NDSU wasnt exactly on top of the world going into last season either and still sold just under 10,000 season tickets.
All three figures make my point: The Prestigious Fargo Dome is nearing capacity and The BISON will need a larger stadium soon. Our market has the potential to draw the FBS average crowd of 45,545 in 2010 if we were in an FBS conference. The Big 12 would be a real winner in Fargo and practacly guarantee a full house week after week.
When we build a larger stadium it has to be a horseshoe with expansion potential to the 50,000 range. It should be built with 30,000 seats completed and ready to sell.
Nobody does. Look at Delaware and App St's numbers. Great fan support in the regular season, and a 1/3 to 1/2 drop int he playoffs. UD had like 8k at it's last playoff game.houndawg wrote:You didn't even sell out your home playoff game, JaBBer.JBB wrote:A lot, especially in Football. Attendance records have been set in both sports dude!
Football attendance has been at all time highs since we opened our first FCS game with the Valpo sell-out.
While your zeal is commendable it tends to blur reality when your taking your anti-depressants.
don't kid yourself either, Minnesota has a big fan base in the F-M area... it's 3.5 hours to Minneapolis - but there are plenty of people who are MN alums in the area... JBB frequently looses sight of the fact that the region (and state of ND) aren't nearly as unanimous in their support of the Bison as he'd like to think...clenz wrote:You keep throwing this attendance thing out but NDSU fans....and really Montana fans too...fail to realize a couple things - well really ONE REALLY IMPORTANT FACTOR
YOU ARE THE SCHOOL IN YOUR STATE. North Dakota and Montana don't have any FBS, more importantly BCS schools in your state. You have NO ONE to fight for attendance, you should draw big.
UNI has 2 BCS schools within a two hour drive of our campus in a state of only 3 million. One of those schools is a top 20-25 FBS/Big 10 school most years, and the other is a floundering Big 12 school but still a damn big school in the B12. Oh, and if we expand out to 4 or 5 hours from UNI we also get into the University of Nebraska, University of Minnesota, University of Wisconsin, University of Illinois.
Heck, for UNI I'll just stick with the 2 other in state schools, and Nebraska since SW Iowa is very heavily Nebraska fanbased. Iowa averages 70K in the stadium per home game, Iowa State is between 45-50K depending who they are playing that week, and Nebraska is over 80K. That is about 200K in the a BCS stadium within a 5 hour drive of Cedar Falls. Not to mention the fact that Iowa City has been consistantly rated one of the best party schools/campus in the nation. Iowa City will have about 70K in the stadium every week, plus another 200k there to just tailgate, same for Nebraska, and Iowa State will have probably 30K that tailgate only.
That leaves UNI with very little share of the people in the state of Iowa to attend our games. Couple that with the fact that UNI gets almost no media coverage in the state of Iowa (NDSU Im sure gets the lionshare in ND) and the fact that Iowa and Iowa State's enrollment is 3-4 times what UNI's is and alumni bases are probably 15 times the size of UNI's alumni base and that leaves UNI fucked.
The same exact situation can be played out for pretty much EVERY SINGLE FCS school in the nation not in the state of North Dakota and Montana.
1. we have 30,000 alumni in the Twin Cities... very few of whom take the trip to Fargo on a weekly basis... that's why the Minnesota games are so packed with our fans... it's a once every few years EVENT.JBB wrote:NDSU is the major attraction in this market. The only attraction really. That is an advantage, a huge advantage when talking about our attendance. Its not a negative.
Of course the money thing is always a consideration. NDSU did its research when moving to D1. Many folks thought it was going to be a financial failure. It has been just the opposite and that includes the depression this once great country of ours finds itself in.
There is plenty of money in the Alumni base, corporate sponsors and overall fan base. We put 20 - 30,000 fans in the Metro Dome for the Gopher game a couple years ago. Imagine if the Gophers were headed to Fargo, or Iowa State or Kansas/Kansas State on a regular basis.
NDSU football is now the largest sporting event week in and week out in the history of the Dakotas. The move up to the FCS and the better quality of the game did that. The next move will pay for itself as well. The stadium will be built by the Dome Authority and corporate sponsors on NDSU land. The WCHA will be begging NDSU to start hockey (so will the Fabulous Fargo Dome). UND will take our place in the MVFC/Summit leagues. Its not that outlandish a vision.
Bismarck is 50kJBB wrote:1) Fans come from Mnpls now to see the Bison. The bigger the attraction the more interest. It wont matter if some fans are UND or not if NDSU has FBS competition, especially from the Big 12 or other well known teams.
2) Run down the magnitude of the NDSU crowds all you want, it doesnt hold water. Our stadium is at 90% capacity as things are now and the impact state wide is huge.
3) 225,000 is a pretty small region, not much more than the Fargo/Moorhead MSA. Bismarck itself is over 50,000, Jamestown 27,000, Valley city maybe 15,000. Whapeton probably another 20,000. There is over 100,000 right there you didnt even count.
4) If there was a struggle, and it was certainly not epic or threatening to the program's success, its over now with the conference setup. Take that same advantage, great conference arraignment, into the FBS and it works the same way.
