Congratulations to Dayton and Jacksonville

[clenz]

Du-freaking-quesne

Yeah, baby!

Du-freaking-quesne!!!



By the way, clenz, it is my understanding that Butler had come to an agreement to play at Northern Iowa but UNI backed out for some reason. Do you know why UNI cancelled the deal?

I had never heard of such arrangement...Maybe Butler trick UNI into thinking it was a basketball game, then switched the wording to football at the last second and UNI picked up on it...


Seriously though, I have no idea. I hadn't heard of such arrangments. I know we have had offers for a second FBS game that we have turned down (Michigan last season, thus why they played Delaware State), but Butler I hadn't heard. Not to say it didn't happen. If it did happen I would bet it is due to the SFA deal we came to with them. I don't know if it is a H-H with SFA or a 2-1 with 2 @ UNI and 1 @ SFA.

[pantherrob82]

Du-freaking-quesne

Yeah, baby!

Du-freaking-quesne!!!



By the way, clenz, it is my understanding that Butler had come to an agreement to play at Northern Iowa but UNI backed out for some reason. Do you know why UNI cancelled the deal?

I've heard we tried Dayton, but never Butler. Only reason we would back out is because of a timing issue.

[CoachL]

I heard about this agreement a couple years ago.

I don't remember the details. I seem to recall that the game was going to be this year or next. I do remember being rather disappointed that the game fell through, even though it was clear that Butler would take a lickin'. I was hoping that it would replace the Albion game.

[blukeys]

Again...who the "F" refuses to play them.

No...I am not letting Dayton off the hook; Dayton pulled the same bullshit with Albany years ago. It's either only home for them...or a home and home.

Life isn't fair...and teams in the NEC, Coastal when they were Indy, Jacksonville this year, etc. have had to suck it up and play on the road to get games.

You just go out and do it and STFU and allow the results to speak for themselves. Years ago you would hear the "old guard" teams moan and groan about having Albany, CCSU, etc come to their place...as it was a "pushover" game. Though we are having a down year this year, I am sure if you surveyed the fans, coaches and players of the teams we played they would say something like, "that's no pushover game...they may be less talented but they come to play."

Why? Because we went out on the road and became battle tested. You ask me-- it has been nothing short of a 100% success playing teams anywhere anytime. It worked for Gonzaga in hoops...Fresno and Boise in football...etc.

Dayton needs to stop scheduling Central State and Urbana...and get on it and schedule anyone at any field. You build national respect by doing so, irrespective of whether it's fair.

Dayton doesn't really want to play the big boys so they throw out a ridicilious home and home offer. They know damm well App State or Northern Iowa will not do a home and home and they won't have to play them. Dayton can then go around crying that they can't get the games etc.

Lafayette is playing NDSU next year in a one year deal at the Fargodome. Lafayette almost always gets home and homes, but we decided it was worth no return trip to play the Bison. Dayton needs to do the same thing if they want to be taken seriously.

Franks Tanks and Dane 96

The Dayton group is the whiniest of crybabies I have ever seen. Does the bogus UD really think they are getting a H-H with the real UD?

The Dayton crowd always whines that the big boys won't play them. They never produce any facts of how they contacted another school, what where the terms nor what were the responses. In short they produce for facts bupkis!!!

This is so reminiscent of 3 years ago, that I am convinced that the whole San Diego, Harbaugh, Josh Johnson contingent has moved east.

[DetroitFlyer]

Dayton doesn't really want to play the big boys so they throw out a ridicilious home and home offer. They know damm well App State or Northern Iowa will not do a home and home and they won't have to play them. Dayton can then go around crying that they can't get the games etc.

Lafayette is playing NDSU next year in a one year deal at the Fargodome. Lafayette almost always gets home and homes, but we decided it was worth no return trip to play the Bison. Dayton needs to do the same thing if they want to be taken seriously.

Franks Tanks and Dane 96

The Dayton group is the whiniest of crybabies I have ever seen. Does the bogus UD really think they are getting a H-H with the real UD?

The Dayton crowd always whines that the big boys won't play them. They never produce any facts of how they contacted another school, what where the terms nor what were the responses. In short they produce for facts bupkis!!!

This is so reminiscent of 3 years ago, that I am convinced that the whole San Diego, Harbaugh, Josh Johnson contingent has moved east.

I challenge you right now to find a post where this Dayton fan, one DetroitFlyer, has ever whined that the big boys will not play us.... Dayton has historically been interested in home/home arrangements. We gave Fordham a 2/1, but after we beat them twice they backed out of the third game.... NO TEAM in FCS is too good for a home/home with the Flyers. Some of you seem to think that you are The Ohio State University for crying out loud.... Trust me, no one outside of the cornfields and ethanol plants of Iowa know who the heck UNI is.... Dayton does football right. We win games and conference titles, we have extremely high academic achievements by our players, we actually graduate players, and we do it all with a non-athletic scholarship model. Look, I get it, NO ONE is going to attend UNI to play football without an athletic scholarship. Players WANT to attend Dayton. Just like players want to attend the Ivy League schools, PL schools, etc. We can and do get FCS athletic scholarship type players because of who we are and our program. This fact is true of most of the PFL schools. As I've stated previously, Dayton WILL be playing a traditional FCS program in each of the next two seasons.... I do not know if the games are home/home, but it will happen. Let's just say that I am really looking forward to winning the game in 2012!

[clenz]

Franks Tanks and Dane 96

The Dayton group is the whiniest of crybabies I have ever seen. Does the bogus UD really think they are getting a H-H with the real UD?

The Dayton crowd always whines that the big boys won't play them. They never produce any facts of how they contacted another school, what where the terms nor what were the responses. In short they produce for facts bupkis!!!

This is so reminiscent of 3 years ago, that I am convinced that the whole San Diego, Harbaugh, Josh Johnson contingent has moved east.

I challenge you right now to find a post where this Dayton fan, one DetroitFlyer, has ever whined that the big boys will not play us.... Dayton has historically been interested in home/home arrangements. We gave Fordham a 2/1, but after we beat them twice they backed out of the third game.... NO TEAM in FCS is too good for a home/home with the Flyers. Some of you seem to think that you are The Ohio State University for crying out loud.... Trust me, no one outside of the cornfields and ethanol plants of Iowa know who the heck UNI is.... Dayton does football right. We win games and conference titles, we have extremely high academic achievements by our players, we actually graduate players, and we do it all with a non-athletic scholarship model. Look, I get it, NO ONE is going to attend UNI to play football without an athletic scholarship. Players WANT to attend Dayton. Just like players want to attend the Ivy League schools, PL schools, etc. We can and do get FCS athletic scholarship type players because of who we are and our program. This fact is true of most of the PFL schools. As I've stated previously, Dayton WILL be playing a traditional FCS program in each of the next two seasons.... I do not know if the games are home/home, but it will happen. Let's just say that I am really looking forward to winning the game in 2012!

Um...where do I start

You won't get a straight home and home with anyone in the CAA, MVFC, SoCon, etc... Drake doesn't even get a straight home and home from UNI.

People know who UNI is. We made this thing called the Sweet 16 last year and beat the #1 team in the nation...I'd go further into detail, but let's put it this way....."People know us".

A lot of our players don't get scholarship. Mark Farley is known as the Walk-on from Waukon. The best QB in UNI history started as a walk on, Kurt Warner didn't have a scholarship the entire time he was here.

UNI had a linebacker the last 4 years that carried a 4.0 in a double major, graduated in three years, then pulled a 4.0 while getting his masters and playing his senior season. He won something like $50K in post graduate scholarships for his academics. UNI's best d-lineman right now is carrying a 3.85 GPA. I can go on and on and on and on if you like.

Drake doesn't get shit for players, period. To say that PFL teams get the same talent as the CAA, SoCon, Big Sky, MVFC, etc... is funny. The people that play at those schools weren't good enough to get a walk on spot at the other schools and went to where they could go to school and play, nothing wrong with that.

[jd of de]

[jd of de]

"NO TEAM in FCS is too good for a home/home with the Flyers."

Want Delaware on a home and home? Then pay up because your 3,900 fan gate isn't a $$$ match to our 20,000+ gate. Don't they teach math at Dayton?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

"NO TEAM in FCS is too good for a home/home with the Flyers."

Want Delaware on a home and home? Then pay up because your 3,900 fan gate isn't a $$$ match to our 20,000+ gate. Don't they teach math at Dayton?

He is having trouble with the concept jd, I tried explaining that and somehow he took it to mean that the teams that have a big gate see themselves as Ohio State.

You can not make it financially worth it for a team to give up a home game to visit you. In fact if 3900 fans is all that go to your games then you'd be money ahead to take the single away games at places like UD, App, & MT and then you could say you got the dog fuck kicked out of you in front of a lot of people all around the country.

[clenz]

"NO TEAM in FCS is too good for a home/home with the Flyers."

Want Delaware on a home and home? Then pay up because your 3,900 fan gate isn't a $$$ match to our 20,000+ gate. Don't they teach math at Dayton?

He is having trouble with the concept jd, I tried explaining that and somehow he took it to mean that the teams that have a big gate see themselves as Ohio State.

You can not make it financially worth it for a team to give up a home game to visit you. In fact if 3900 fans is all that go to your games then you'd be money ahead to take the single away games at places like UD, App, & MT and then you could say you got the dog fuck kicked out of you in front of a lot of people all around the country.

Yep.

Dayton's tickets cost 10 each for an adult and 5 for youth.

Now, let's say that the players fill their allotment of comp tickets. That is about 400 tickets (I believe each player gets 4 tickets for home games and 2 for road games). That means there are 3500 tickets to be sold. It appears Dayton charges students $5 to get in. Finally Dayton charges 60 for a season ticket (so with 6 home games whats the point of the season ticket compared to individual games? I digress)

So, out of those 3500 left to sell I'll guess that about 1K of them fall under the $5 ticket range (Youth tickets (college, with ID, and younger)). So, that is $5,000.

That means that 2,500 tickets were sold at $10 a piece...or $25,000.


All that added together means Dayton brings in a total of $30,000 per game, before expenses have to be paid.

UNI paid St. Francis about 50k, plus travel, to come to the dome in 2009. You are up at least 20K there compared to a home game. St. Francis probably could have gotten more but they needed the game more than UNI did and they knew they weren't getting UNI out there.


On the flip side teams like UD, Montana, UNI, NDSU, etc... are pulling in a whole lot more in one home game than you make in a seasons worth of home games

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

He is having trouble with the concept jd, I tried explaining that and somehow he took it to mean that the teams that have a big gate see themselves as Ohio State.

You can not make it financially worth it for a team to give up a home game to visit you. In fact if 3900 fans is all that go to your games then you'd be money ahead to take the single away games at places like UD, App, & MT and then you could say you got the dog fuck kicked out of you in front of a lot of people all around the country.

Yep.

Dayton's tickets cost 10 each for an adult and 5 for youth.

Now, let's say that the players fill their allotment of comp tickets. That is about 400 tickets (I believe each player gets 4 tickets for home games and 2 for road games). That means there are 3500 tickets to be sold. It appears Dayton charges students $5 to get in. Finally Dayton charges 60 for a season ticket (so with 6 home games whats the point of the season ticket compared to individual games? I digress)

So, out of those 3500 left to sell I'll guess that about 1K of them fall under the $5 ticket range (Youth tickets (college, with ID, and younger)). So, that is $5,000.

That means that 2,500 tickets were sold at $10 a piece...or $25,000.


All that added together means Dayton brings in a total of $30,000 per game, before expenses have to be paid.

UNI paid St. Francis about 50k, plus travel, to come to the dome in 2009. You are up at least 20K there compared to a home game. St. Francis probably could have gotten more but they needed the game more than UNI did and they knew they weren't getting UNI out there.


On the flip side teams like UD, Montana, UNI, NDSU, etc... are pulling in a whole lot more in one home game than you make in a seasons worth of home games

I know UM paid at least that for Western State and UM clears over 1/2 million on those games.

So Dayton...you ain't getting a fucking H&H. Now you know why. There are a lot of teams out there that were in that position before like the previously mentioned Albany, and even Cal Poly 10 yrs. ago. Cal Poly made the moves they had to and gained a shit load of respect around the country and now are not scheduling like the Dayton's of the world and are a highly respected team along with Albany and many others. The road ain't a secret fella's.

[clenz]

Yep.

Dayton's tickets cost 10 each for an adult and 5 for youth.

Now, let's say that the players fill their allotment of comp tickets. That is about 400 tickets (I believe each player gets 4 tickets for home games and 2 for road games). That means there are 3500 tickets to be sold. It appears Dayton charges students $5 to get in. Finally Dayton charges 60 for a season ticket (so with 6 home games whats the point of the season ticket compared to individual games? I digress)

So, out of those 3500 left to sell I'll guess that about 1K of them fall under the $5 ticket range (Youth tickets (college, with ID, and younger)). So, that is $5,000.

That means that 2,500 tickets were sold at $10 a piece...or $25,000.


All that added together means Dayton brings in a total of $30,000 per game, before expenses have to be paid.

UNI paid St. Francis about 50k, plus travel, to come to the dome in 2009. You are up at least 20K there compared to a home game. St. Francis probably could have gotten more but they needed the game more than UNI did and they knew they weren't getting UNI out there.


On the flip side teams like UD, Montana, UNI, NDSU, etc... are pulling in a whole lot more in one home game than you make in a seasons worth of home games

I know UM paid at least that for Western State and UM clears over 1/2 million on those games.

So Dayton...you ain't getting a fucking H&H. Now you know why. There are a lot of teams out there that were in that position before like the previously mentioned Albany, and even Cal Poly 10 yrs. ago. Cal Poly made the moves they had to and gained a shit load of respect around the country and now are not scheduling like the Dayton's of the world and are a highly respected team along with Albany and many others. The road ain't a secret fella's.

If my math is correct UNI clears about 230K per home game...ish.

If Dayton can basically pay UNI 250K for their part of the H-H then it might work

[FargoBison]

Seriously Dayton come to Fargo, we'll give you $100-150K and you can have a chance to prove your worth.

[DetroitFlyer]

I know UM paid at least that for Western State and UM clears over 1/2 million on those games.

So Dayton...you ain't getting a **** H&H. Now you know why. There are a lot of teams out there that were in that position before like the previously mentioned Albany, and even Cal Poly 10 yrs. ago. Cal Poly made the moves they had to and gained a **** load of respect around the country and now are not scheduling like the Dayton's of the world and are a highly respected team along with Albany and many others. The road ain't a secret fella's.

If my math is correct UNI clears about 230K per home game...ish.

If Dayton can basically pay UNI 250K for their part of the H-H then it might work

Nope. If you want to play the mighty Flyers, there is no money. Man up and come down to Welcome Stadium and get you butts kicked.... Not really all that complicated. People know who UNI is.... Give me a break....

[clenz]

If my math is correct UNI clears about 230K per home game...ish.

If Dayton can basically pay UNI 250K for their part of the H-H then it might work

Nope. If you want to play the mighty Flyers, there is no money. Man up and come down to Welcome Stadium and get you butts kicked.... Not really all that complicated. People know who UNI is.... Give me a break....

Dayton is known for hosting the PIG of the NCAA tournament....That's something to hang your hat on.


The fact is college athletics is a business. You want us to come to Dayton? Head on up to Cedar Falls two a three times. You know, man up and get your butts kicked.

Get our butts kicked, please. I think Superhornet has a higher IQ than you.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

If my math is correct UNI clears about 230K per home game...ish.

If Dayton can basically pay UNI 250K for their part of the H-H then it might work

Nope. If you want to play the mighty Flyers, there is no money. Man up and come down to Welcome Stadium and get you butts kicked.... Not really all that complicated. People know who UNI is.... Give me a break....

It doesn't appear that you guys could even cover travel.

The teams you want to play or say you want to play don't need the respect because they would not garner any by beating you. Asking any athletic dpt. to give up 300-500K just isn't very logical is it? I'll have to assume that you must be extremely intelligent in all areas except simple math.

[YoUDeeMan]

Nope. If you want to play the mighty Flyers, there is no money. Man up and come down to Welcome Stadium and get you butts kicked.... Not really all that complicated. People know who UNI is.... Give me a break....

It doesn't appear that you guys could even cover travel.

The teams you want to play or say you want to play don't need the respect because they would not garner any by beating you. Asking any athletic dpt. to give up 300-500K just isn't very logical is it? I'll have to assume that you must be extremely intelligent in all areas except simple math.

Dayton must specialize in left wing nut job learning. Money doesn't matter...it will fall from the sky if you need it. Tax other people's earnings and redistribute it to the poor people. Why do you good football teams always want to make money?

[jd of de]

Nope. If you want to play the mighty Flyers, there is no money. Man up and come down to Welcome Stadium and get you butts kicked.... Not really all that complicated. People know who UNI is.... Give me a break....

Man up?

Delaware 30 .... Duquesne 6
Dayton 31 ....... Duquesne 35

Get real Flyers.

[CoachL]

The people that play at those schools (PFL) weren't good enough to get a walk on spot at the other schools and went to where they could go to school and play, nothing wrong with that.

Okay, clenz...

I believe that you overstepped with this one, and I take personal offense at this statement.

My older son, a 2-Star high school recruit had FCS scholarship offers from NEC schools and walk-on offers from CAA schools. He chose Butler.

He chose Butler because he felt that it was the best school for him. (And BOY has it ever been!!)

Your statement was wrong, misinformed, and insulting to each and every player in the PFL.

[89Hen]

In fact if 3900 fans is all that go to your games then you'd be money ahead to take the single away games at places like UD, App, & MT and then you could say you got the dog fuck kicked out of you in front of a lot of people all around the country.

[clenz]

The people that play at those schools (PFL) weren't good enough to get a walk on spot at the other schools and went to where they could go to school and play, nothing wrong with that.

Okay, clenz...

I believe that you overstepped with this one, and I take personal offense at this statement.

My older son, a 2-Star high school recruit had FCS scholarship offers from NEC schools and walk-on offers from CAA schools. He chose Butler.

He chose Butler because he felt that it was the best school for him. (And BOY has it ever been!!)

Your statement was wrong, misinformed, and insulting to each and every player in the PFL.

So he had walk on offers from the CAA and offers from the NEC, who isn't much higher than the PFL

Are there guys on PFL teams that could play for CAA, MVFC, SoCon, and Big Sky teams? You bet. That doesn't mean those teams are as good.

It's like the top level of FCS teams. We all have players that could easily play B12, B10, PAC 10, BE, ACC, SEC football but they don't. Now, does that make the top level schools as good as the BCS schools?

[CoachL]

Okay, clenz...

I believe that you overstepped with this one, and I take personal offense at this statement.

My older son, a 2-Star high school recruit had FCS scholarship offers from NEC schools and walk-on offers from CAA schools. He chose Butler.

He chose Butler because he felt that it was the best school for him. (And BOY has it ever been!!)

Your statement was wrong, misinformed, and insulting to each and every player in the PFL.

So he had walk on offers from the CAA and offers from the NEC, who isn't much higher than the PFL

Are there guys on PFL teams that could play for CAA, MVFC, SoCon, and Big Sky teams? You bet. That doesn't mean those teams are as good.

It's like the top level of FCS teams. We all have players that could easily play B12, B10, PAC 10, BE, ACC, SEC football but they don't. Now, does that make the top level schools as good as the BCS schools?

A.) Thank you for making my point! Please re-read your ignorant and unnecessarily insulting post. Your attack was not on PFL teams, it was on PFL players.

B.) Sagarin Conference Rankings:

1 PAC-10 (A)
2 SOUTHEASTERN (A)
3 BIG 12 (A)
4 BIG TEN (A)
5 ATLANTIC COAST (A)
6 I-A INDEPENDENTS (A)
7 BIG EAST (A)
8 WESTERN ATHLETIC (A)
9 MOUNTAIN WEST (A)
10 CONFERENCE USA (A)
11 COLONIAL (AA)
12 BIG SKY (AA)
13 MID-AMERICAN (A)
14 SOUTHERN (AA)
15 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA)
16 GREAT WEST (AA)
17 SUN BELT (A)
18 SOUTHLAND (AA)
19 NORTHEAST (AA)
20 OHIO VALLEY (AA)
21 IVY LEAGUE (AA)
22 PATRIOT LEAGUE (AA)
23 I-AA INDEPENDENTS (AA)
24 BIG SOUTH (AA)
25 SOUTHWESTERN (AA)
26 PIONEER (AA)
27 MID-EASTERN (AA)

[clenz]

I'm failing to see the problem to the extent you are.

The area *some* players at the NEC,PFL level that could play for the top 3 or 4 FCS conferences. Just like there are *some* players in the FCS that could play in the top 3 or 4 conferences of the FBS, and to a greater exntent the lower levels of the FBS.


I get it, your son had that offer and you think I'm attacking him. I'm not. I'm saying the difference in overall depth of talent between the NEC, PFL, SWAC, MEACN, Big South, OVC, etc... is significantly lower than it is in the CAA, Big Sky, MVFC, SoCon

[CoachL]

I'm failing to see the problem to the extent you are.

The area *some* players at the NEC,PFL level that could play for the top 3 or 4 FCS conferences. Just like there are *some* players in the FCS that could play in the top 3 or 4 conferences of the FBS, and to a greater exntent the lower levels of the FBS.

I get it, your son had that offer and you think I'm attacking him. I'm not. I'm saying the difference in overall depth of talent between the NEC, PFL, SWAC, MEACN, Big South, OVC, etc... is significantly lower than it is in the CAA, Big Sky, MVFC, SoCon

This is what you originally wrote:

"The people that play at those schools weren't good enough to get a walk on spot at the other schools and went to where they could go to school and play, nothing wrong with that."

I know the difference in overall depth. I've been saying that exact thing on this board and on AGS for years. Your original post did not say that, however. Read it again...

[clenz]

I'm failing to see the problem to the extent you are.

The area *some* players at the NEC,PFL level that could play for the top 3 or 4 FCS conferences. Just like there are *some* players in the FCS that could play in the top 3 or 4 conferences of the FBS, and to a greater exntent the lower levels of the FBS.

I get it, your son had that offer and you think I'm attacking him. I'm not. I'm saying the difference in overall depth of talent between the NEC, PFL, SWAC, MEACN, Big South, OVC, etc... is significantly lower than it is in the CAA, Big Sky, MVFC, SoCon

This is what you originally wrote:

"The people that play at those schools weren't good enough to get a walk on spot at the other schools and went to where they could go to school and play, nothing wrong with that."

I know the difference in overall depth. I've been saying that exact thing on this board and on AGS for years. Your original post did not say that, however. Read it again...

Ok...I'll add three words and change another and my post will be correct and not single your son out. Man, there is nothing like a athletes parents when they feel their son/daughter got attacked.

"The greater majority of people that play at those schools weren't good enough to get a scholly spot at the other schools and went to where they could go to school and play, nothing wrong with that."