KC is Van Helsing

[93henfan]

God, it must SUCK to be a CAA fan

Not really.

Montana playoff enders:

1993 L Delaware (@ Wa-Griz)
2004 L JMU
2006 L UMass (@ Wa-Griz)
2008 L Richmond

And of course, a losing record against CAA/A-10/Yankee teams in the playoffs.

We understand where your frustration is rooted. Trust us, we understand. We play these teams week in and week out while you play the slop out there.

The Big Fluff isn't terrible by any means. It's clearly the third or fourth best conference in FCS year in and year out. That ought to count for something.

The problem is when you guys have to stray from Wa-Griz. You guys are an impotent 2-10 in the playoffs outside it in FCS/I-AA. That's just brutal. Delaware has seven FCS/I-AA road playoff wins to your two.

[Col Hogan]

The thing that the CAA has that the Big Sky doesn't have is consistent teams because every year it is a different team that is pretty good that pushes the Griz or beats them. Ask McNeese when they played NAU or S. Illinois when they played EWU or UNI and APP when they played MSU and EWU (no pushovers). Call it the Big Fluff, but conference play gets the Griz ready for the playoffs.

P.S. The NCAA needs to get rid of this regionalization crap. Last year I would have loved Weber, Poly and the Griz to each get a shot at someone from the east. Not saying they would have won but it would have been fun to watch.

And since we all know that'll never happen, the ECB can continue because their lame ass theory never gets tested. Weber beats Cal Poly, Montana beats Weber, and we go ANOTHER year without a western team able to get past Montana. Meanwhile, east coast teams get DSU, Fordham, etc.

Montana makes so much money....step up and offer the NCAA to foot the bills for the West Coast teams to travel...otherwise, stfu...the NCAA pays the bills and does it on the cheap...you know that....

And since the vast majority of FCS teams are east of Ohio...

[native]

And since we all know that'll never happen, the ECB can continue because their lame ass theory never gets tested. Weber beats Cal Poly, Montana beats Weber, and we go ANOTHER year without a western team able to get past Montana. Meanwhile, east coast teams get DSU, Fordham, etc.

Montana makes so much money....step up and offer the NCAA to foot the bills for the West Coast teams to travel...otherwise, stfu...the NCAA pays the bills and does it on the cheap...you know that....

And since the vast majority of FCS teams are east of Ohio...

Very interesting... a west coast homer from the east coast...

[89Hen]

Before 2004, JMU was a pushover.
Before 2005, Richmond was a pushover.

What year do you think this is? I understand though. You're still living off of Idaho, Boise, Nevada, etc...

[89Hen]

One more thing, 93. The Griz are 4-3 against the best the CAA has to offer since 2000.

Wow, you just keep piling on the wrong side of your arguement.

Let's see 4-3 = .571

During the same time the Griz were 59-8 vs the BSC = .880

Last time I checked, .571 doesn't get you in the playoffs... unless of course you're Montana State

[89Hen]

The thing that the CAA has that the Big Sky doesn't have is consistent teams because every year it is a different team that is pretty good that pushes the Griz or beats them.

Four different CAA teams have National Championships since 1998 and seven different CAA teams have been to at least the semis since 2002. And FWIW, the year the Hens went 15-1 and won the NC, their lone loss was to Northeastern. Go figure.

[89Hen]

And since we all know that'll never happen, the ECB can continue because their lame ass theory never gets tested. Weber beats Cal Poly, Montana beats Weber, and we go ANOTHER year without a western team able to get past Montana. Meanwhile, east coast teams get DSU, Fordham, etc.

Boy, you keep stepping in it. Since regionalization started in 2001, the Big Sky would have been set to play themselves in the second round only twice with last year being the only time it's actually happened.

[89Hen]

Last 20 years...

National Championships
Richmond - 2008
JMU - 2004
Delaware - 2003
Montana - 2001
Massachusetts - 1998
Montana - 1995

Last Semifinal Appearance
Montana - 2008
Eastern Washington - 1997
Montana State - None
Idaho State - None
Northern Arizona - None
Northern Colorado - None
Portland State - None
Sacramento State - None
Weber State - None

Last Playoff Win
Montana - 2008
Weber State - 2008
Eastern Washington - 2007
Montana State - 2006
Northern Arizona - 2003
Idaho State - None
Northern Colorado - None
Portland State - None
Sacramento State - None

[bluehenbillk]

NAU and UC Davis would beat Delaware by double digits

Be careful what you wish for, you want no part of the CAA South.

[dbackjon]

NAU and UC Davis would beat Delaware by double digits

Be careful what you wish for, you want no part of the CAA South.

Schedule a game west of the Appalachians then get back go me.

[89Hen]

Schedule a game west of the Appalachians then get back go me.

Why? There are more and better teams east of them.

[bluehenbillk]

Be careful what you wish for, you want no part of the CAA South.

Schedule a game west of the Appalachians then get back go me.

Well, every time we go out there we win, so what's the point?

[native]

Last 20 years...

National Championships
Richmond - 2008
JMU - 2004
Delaware - 2003
Montana - 2001
Massachusetts - 1998
Montana - 1995

Last Semifinal Appearance
Montana - 2008 (+'96, '00, '04)
Delaware - 2007
Massachusetts - 2006
Eastern Washington - 1997
Boise State (Big Sky before moving to BCS) - 1994
Nevada (Big Sky before moving to BCS) - 1990
Montana State - None (but appeared in 1984)
Idaho State - None
Northern Arizona - None
Northern Colorado (moved up from DII) - None
Portland State (moved up from DII) - None
Sacramento State(moved up from DII) - None
Weber State - None

Last Playoff Win
Montana - 2008
Weber State - 2008
Eastern Washington - 2007
Montana State - 2006
Northern Arizona - 2003
Idaho State - None
Northern Colorado (moved up from DII) - None
Portland State (moved up from DII) - None
Sacramento State (moved up from DII) - None

FIFY!

CAA (12 teams): 4 National Championships and 2 additional semifinal victories in 20 years.

Big Sky (9 teams): 2 National Championships and 7 additional semifinal victories in 20 years!

[putter]

And since we all know that'll never happen, the ECB can continue because their lame ass theory never gets tested. Weber beats Cal Poly, Montana beats Weber, and we go ANOTHER year without a western team able to get past Montana. Meanwhile, east coast teams get DSU, Fordham, etc.

Montana makes so much money....step up and offer the NCAA to foot the bills for the West Coast teams to travel...otherwise, stfu...the NCAA pays the bills and does it on the cheap...you know that....

And since the vast majority of FCS teams are east of Ohio...

Montana pretty much does as the NCAA gets the bulk of the playoff ticket revenue and with how Montana packs the stadium I feel safe saying that the revenue probably covers a few east coast playoff bus trips...

[Col Hogan]

Montana makes so much money....step up and offer the NCAA to foot the bills for the West Coast teams to travel...otherwise, stfu...the NCAA pays the bills and does it on the cheap...you know that....

And since the vast majority of FCS teams are east of Ohio...

Montana pretty much does as the NCAA gets the bulk of the playoff ticket revenue and with how Montana packs the stadium I feel safe saying that the revenue probably covers a few east coast playoff bus trips...

I don't doubt that...I'm not knocking Montana...but the cry of ECB rings pretty hollow when you consider two things...

1. The NCAA is the sugar daddy of the playoffs....as long as that is the case, we play by their rules...stop bashing east coast teams for something that comes out of friggin' Kansas...

2. The FCS is a majority east coast bunch...sorry, it's the truth...over 60 per cent of the teams are east of a line drawn north/south through eastern Ohio...Youngstown State is almost the epi-center of FCS football...so the majority of playoff teams are going to come from east of the Mississippi...

[UNI88]

The NCAA is the sugar daddy of the playoffs....as long as that is the case, we play by their rules...stop bashing east coast teams for something that comes out of friggin' Kansas...

pssst - Colonel, the NCAA is in Indiana now.

[Col Hogan]

The NCAA is the sugar daddy of the playoffs....as long as that is the case, we play by their rules...stop bashing east coast teams for something that comes out of friggin' Kansas...

pssst - Colonel, the NCAA is in Indiana now.

Oops

[BlueHen86]

The NCAA is the sugar daddy of the playoffs....as long as that is the case, we play by their rules...stop bashing east coast teams for something that comes out of friggin' Kansas...

pssst - Colonel, the NCAA is in Indiana now.

Either way, it's midwest bias.

[AZGrizFan]

God, it must SUCK to be a CAA fan

Not really.

Montana playoff enders:

1993 L Delaware (@ Wa-Griz)
2004 L JMU
2006 L UMass (@ Wa-Griz)
2008 L Richmond

And of course, a losing record against CAA/A-10/Yankee teams in the playoffs.

We understand where your frustration is rooted. Trust us, we understand. We play these teams week in and week out while you play the slop out there.

The Big Fluff isn't terrible by any means. It's clearly the third or fourth best conference in FCS year in and year out. That ought to count for something.

The problem is when you guys have to stray from Wa-Griz. You guys are an impotent 2-10 in the playoffs outside it in FCS/I-AA. That's just brutal. Delaware has seven FCS/I-AA road playoff wins to your two.

Dizzying....you've now changed the argument TWICE--IN THE SAME POST! NOW you want to go back and include games from 15 years ago? And now we want to discuss road records? Who ended JMU's season last year---AT JMU? Should we start including teams from the Big Sky that are now I-A? Christ on a crutch, man. Just admit it----you're jealous as HELL that YOUR team doesn't have the ability to EVER make the playoffs 16 straight seasons. That YOUR team doesn't have 6 NC game appearances (and probably won't in your lifetime), and that YOUR team doesn't have 2 national titles.

We get it.

You guys are like talking to a brick wall.

[ChickenMan]

Big Sky (9 teams): 2 National Championships and 7 additional semifinal victories in 20 years!

"Now Sherman, if you dial in the 1980's... the 'Wayback Machine' will take us to a time when the Big Sky conference actually had some competitive teams"....

[AZGrizFan]

One more thing, 93. The Griz are 4-3 against the best the CAA has to offer since 2000.

Wow, you just keep piling on the wrong side of your arguement.

Let's see 4-3 = .571

During the same time the Griz were 59-8 vs the BSC = .880

Last time I checked, .571 doesn't get you in the playoffs... unless of course you're Montana State

Really. So all the CAA teams have the same winning percentage in their playoff games as they do in their regular season?

[AZGrizFan]

Montana pretty much does as the NCAA gets the bulk of the playoff ticket revenue and with how Montana packs the stadium I feel safe saying that the revenue probably covers a few east coast playoff bus trips...

I don't doubt that...I'm not knocking Montana...but the cry of ECB rings pretty hollow when you consider two things...

1. The NCAA is the sugar daddy of the playoffs....as long as that is the case, we play by their rules...stop bashing east coast teams for something that comes out of friggin' Kansas...

2. The FCS is a majority east coast bunch...sorry, it's the truth...over 60 per cent of the teams are east of a line drawn north/south through eastern Ohio...Youngstown State is almost the epi-center of FCS football...so the majority of playoff teams are going to come from east of the Mississippi...

OK, Ralph.

[native]

Big Sky (9 teams): 2 National Championships and 7 additional semifinal victories in 20 years!

"Now Sherman, if you dial in the 1980's... the 'Wayback Machine' will take us to a time when the Big Sky conference actually had some competitive teams"....

Do the math, now chickenman... 20 years ago started in 1990, not the 80's.

Nice avatar, by the way.

[Col Hogan]

I don't doubt that...I'm not knocking Montana...but the cry of ECB rings pretty hollow when you consider two things...

1. The NCAA is the sugar daddy of the playoffs....as long as that is the case, we play by their rules...stop bashing east coast teams for something that comes out of friggin' Kansas...

2. The FCS is a majority east coast bunch...sorry, it's the truth...over 60 per cent of the teams are east of a line drawn north/south through eastern Ohio...Youngstown State is almost the epi-center of FCS football...so the majority of playoff teams are going to come from east of the Mississippi...

OK, Ralph.

Yet you can't deny any of it...

Guess that's not as bad as SE...

[putter]

My problem Col, is that the NCAA is a POS and doesn't run its one and only football championship like it should. It should seed 16 teams and let it run. If I remember correctly the NCAA takes 80% of playoff ticket revenue - in addition to the guarantees and the schools need to charge no less that the cheapest ticket price during the season. If Montana and App sell out just one game then the NCAA garners, lets see (Montana sells 25k @ $26 = $650k x 80% = $520k) and I am sure the amount would be similar for an App home game. The east coast games also have a home guarantee so tell me where all this money goes. Lets say it costs the NCAA $200k to send Montana east or someone west, the take from a Montana game alone covers two trips.....may not be ECB but it is a crappy argument to keep regionalization.