Will the state of MT be banned from hosting playoff games?

[Wildcat Ryan]

I dont think they will ban MSU or UM from hosting playoff games.

Neither do I (and I would have a real tough time arguing with a Pink Floyd fan, one of my all time favorite bands).

They are my all time favorite band.

It would actually be kinda sad to see this happen, all the money that the state of Montana would lose is too bad.

Where would they go if they couldnt host at home?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Neither do I (and I would have a real tough time arguing with a Pink Floyd fan, one of my all time favorite bands).

They are my all time favorite band.

It would actually be kinda sad to see this happen, all the money that the state of Montana would lose is too bad.

Where would they go if they couldnt host at home?

Missoula would miss the money as far as hotels, dining and so forth for those that come from out of town but that is a little less than a normal home game anyway due to the timing of the holiday season. The state ain't gonna give up the revenue because of the possibility of Missoula or Bozeman having a game or two and that's the way it should be. As has been said before the money from ticket sales goes to the NCAA during the playoffs so that isn't a boon to the schools either.

We would go wherever depending on the regionalization and seeding aspect which is almost always gonna be SLC, possible GWFC at large, or an MVFC team first. If we were to win the first round along with another BSC team in and them winning then they will set it up so we are back in the friendly confines of a conference mates stadium. I think it would be very interesting to see a situation where the Griz went to a conference foe's home for a second round game. I think the Griz fans would travel very well to a game like that.

[Wildcat Ryan]

They are my all time favorite band.

It would actually be kinda sad to see this happen, all the money that the state of Montana would lose is too bad.

Where would they go if they couldnt host at home?

Missoula would miss the money as far as hotels, dining and so forth for those that come from out of town but that is a little less than a normal home game anyway due to the timing of the holiday season. The state ain't gonna give up the revenue because of the possibility of Missoula or Bozeman having a game or two and that's the way it should be. As has been said before the money from ticket sales goes to the NCAA during the playoffs so that isn't a boon to the schools either.

We would go wherever depending on the regionalization and seeding aspect which is almost always gonna be SLC, possible GWFC at large, or an MVFC team first. If we were to win the first round along with another BSC team in and them winning then they will set it up so we are back in the friendly confines of a conference mates stadium. I think it would be very interesting to see a situation where the Griz went to a conference foe's home for a second round game. I think the Griz fans would travel very well to a game like that.

So lets say UM gets the 4th seed, and in the second round end up playing Weber State again, since UM got the seed, they wouldnt send the game to Ogden right? Do you think they would send it to Holt Arena?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Missoula would miss the money as far as hotels, dining and so forth for those that come from out of town but that is a little less than a normal home game anyway due to the timing of the holiday season. The state ain't gonna give up the revenue because of the possibility of Missoula or Bozeman having a game or two and that's the way it should be. As has been said before the money from ticket sales goes to the NCAA during the playoffs so that isn't a boon to the schools either.

We would go wherever depending on the regionalization and seeding aspect which is almost always gonna be SLC, possible GWFC at large, or an MVFC team first. If we were to win the first round along with another BSC team in and them winning then they will set it up so we are back in the friendly confines of a conference mates stadium. I think it would be very interesting to see a situation where the Griz went to a conference foe's home for a second round game. I think the Griz fans would travel very well to a game like that.

So lets say UM gets the 4th seed, and in the second round end up playing Weber State again, since UM got the seed, they wouldnt send the game to Ogden right? Do you think they would send it to Holt Arena?

No. The NCAA would have to cover the expenses of "renting" a stadium and I don't know if the home school gets a stipend or not but the NCAA would have to cover the travel expenses of two schools for that game if it were held at Holt Arena so there's no way they are gonna do that. If the NCAA sticks to what they are saying right now then they will take money out of their own pockets and the Griz would have to be on the road I would assume. To the NCAA that means they are taking away one of their biggest revune sources and tuning it into one of their biggest expenses as the Griz or even the Bobcats would have to be flown on the NCAA's dime to wherever they would play. The NCAA would be taking about 1/2 million out of their own pockets at least every year MT makes the playoffs and another 1/2 million for each game that Montana wins while this practice in place.

[grizzaholic]

What he said.

[grizzaholic]

I spoke to a couple of people yesterday evening that are affiliated with the U of M and they were thinking that the Griz will be on the road for this year. Just because the commitee doesn't meet until Aug., and the other one will meet in Sept. Well the season will have already started and even if they end up granting that the State of Montana can host NCAA playoff games it will end up being applied to the next year's seasons. So it is looking more and more likely that the Griz will be on the road for this postseason, if they make it.

I sure hope I am wrong but I went home last night thinking bad thoughts about the NCAA.

[Wildcat Ryan]

I spoke to a couple of people yesterday evening that are affiliated with the U of M and they were thinking that the Griz will be on the road for this year. Just because the commitee doesn't meet until Aug., and the other one will meet in Sept. Well the season will have already started and even if they end up granting that the State of Montana can host NCAA playoff games it will end up being applied to the next year's seasons. So it is looking more and more likely that the Griz will be on the road for this postseason, if they make it.

I sure hope I am wrong but I went home last night thinking bad thoughts about the NCAA.

I dont blame you

Its a crock that the NCAA is taking away your home playoff games for something as trivial as sports betting.

[dbackjon]

I spoke to a couple of people yesterday evening that are affiliated with the U of M and they were thinking that the Griz will be on the road for this year. Just because the commitee doesn't meet until Aug., and the other one will meet in Sept. Well the season will have already started and even if they end up granting that the State of Montana can host NCAA playoff games it will end up being applied to the next year's seasons. So it is looking more and more likely that the Griz will be on the road for this postseason, if they make it.

I sure hope I am wrong but I went home last night thinking bad thoughts about the NCAA.

I dont blame you

Its a crock that the NCAA is taking away your home playoff games for something as trivial as sports betting.

It is not so much the sports betting as the nature of Montana's sports betting. The NCAA legitimatally should be concerned about wagering on college sports, but there doesn't seem to be any way for a player to manipulate what Montana's betting are.

[Mvemjsunpx]

It is not so much the sports betting as the nature of Montana's sports betting. The NCAA legitimatally should be concerned about wagering on college sports, but there doesn't seem to be any way for a player to manipulate what Montana's betting are.

But how does punishing a state that allows any amount of sports betting accomplish anything? What about all the illegal sports betting that goes on in states that have bans? It's as if the NCAA is saying legal sports betting is not permissable, but illegal sports betting is fine. If Montana or Delaware did totally outlaw any sports betting, that wouldn't really stop someone from Vegas from bribing a ref or player to point shave or throw a game if they really wanted too, either.

It seems like the NCAA is blindly flailing their fists in an effort to (or an effort to appear like they are trying to) prevent illegitimacy due to gambling. Their punishments in this matter don't make any sense and I don't see how they could possibly be effective.

[dbackjon]

It is not so much the sports betting as the nature of Montana's sports betting. The NCAA legitimatally should be concerned about wagering on college sports, but there doesn't seem to be any way for a player to manipulate what Montana's betting are.

But how does punishing a state that allows any amount of sports betting accomplish anything? What about all the illegal sports betting that goes on in states that have bans? It's as if the NCAA is saying legal sports betting is not permissable, but illegal sports betting is fine. If Montana or Delaware did totally outlaw any sports betting, that wouldn't really stop someone from Vegas from bribing a ref or player to point shave or throw a game if they really wanted too, either.

It seems like the NCAA is blindly flailing their fists in an effort to (or an effort to appear like they are trying to) prevent illegitimacy due to gambling. Their punishments in this matter don't make any sense and I don't see how they could possibly be effective.

If you allow legal wagering on college games, that makes the possibility of fixing games that much easier.

And yes, perception is a big part of the issue.

A few more point shaving scandals, and you could see the end of college athletics as we know it.
I know it is easy to bash the NCAA, but they are trying to keep from killing the Goose that lays the golden egg (March Madness).

And I fully support the ban on states that have REAL sports gambling.


How is the NCAA saying that illegal sports gambling is fine? Far from it.

[Mvemjsunpx]

If you allow legal wagering on college games, that makes the possibility of fixing games that much easier.

It does? How so? If the gambling is legal, the state can fiercely regulate it through commissions and the like. Everything goes underground if it's illegal and it's more likely to be controlled by criminal elements.

How is the NCAA saying that illegal sports gambling is fine? Far from it.

Because they are only trying to punish states that have legal sports gambling. They are doing nothing to states where illegal sports gambling is rampant. As I said, outlawing sports gambling doesn't get rid of sports gambling. It seems to me that Montana & Delaware (& Nevada) are effectively being punished simply for admitting that sports gambling exists in their states.

And yes, perception is a big part of the issue.

A few more point shaving scandals, and you could see the end of college athletics as we know it.
I know it is easy to bash the NCAA, but they are trying to keep from killing the Goose that lays the golden egg (March Madness).

And how does this policy prevent the possibility of point shaving scandals? It's not like point shaving couldn't easily happen even if sports betting was banned nationwide. Perception does matter, but only if the NCAA policy is actually effective, and I don't see how this policy could really be effective.

In my opinion the NCAA would be better served by policing the people they have control over (players, coaches, refs, etc.) and not poking around in the affairs of things they have little control over—like state government affairs.

[GOKATS]

I don't know about Nevada or Deleware, but there is absolutely nothing in Montana gambling law which would even remotely hint at the possibility of anyone in any way effecting the outcome of a college game. Nothing.

Stacey Osburn was way over her head in her initial comments and the NCAA being the CS organization they are so far hasn't had the courage to nut up and admit she screwed up. They can drag it out as long as they want, but at least in Montanas case if it goes to court they're going to be facing a big ass loss.

I'd be among the last to advocate any government action in collegiate sports, but I think the NCAA has become an organization on a power trip that needs to be knocked down a peg or two.