The (real) reasons why Frisco was chosen

[GannonFan]

Baylor Regional Medical Center is 9 miles from Pizza Hut park. There are probably 30 hotels right around the hospital, which would all be within 10 miles of Pizza Hut park.

There are plenty of hotels. And why can't you just take a cab 10 miles to your hotel? Maybe the hotels will even run shuttles to the game?

You can always spot someone who has never been to the championship game in Chatty. They don't understand that people tend to come and go from their downtowns hotels all day long, sometimes bringing all of the family and sometimes leaving some of the family. Getting in a cab or rental car multiple times a day was never necessary in Chatty.

And not everyone stayed within walking distance in Chatty either.

[BDKJMU]

BS. Pizza Hut Park is 27 miles from smack dab in the center of downtown Dallas.

Does it really matter if it's 37, 27, 17 or 7? If Frisco is a bedroom community, it's a bedroom community. As I said 6 months ago, Frisco very well may fall into the category of "a nice place to live, but I'd never want to visit there".

For people going for a short stay (getting there the night before or the morning/day of, and leaving the morning after, who gives a crap if Frisco is a bedroom community, or Chatty is a downtown. Basically you're only concerns should be :
1. Are there ample hotels near the location?
2. Are there nearby restaurants (for if you come the night before)?
3. Is there ample parking near the stadium for tailgating?
4. Does the stadium have good sightlines?
5. Weather
6. And if you're flying in how far away is the nearest at least medium sized airport? (Chatty has a small airport, Atlanta Hartsfield is 130 miles/2 hrs from Chatty. For Frisco you have 2 major airports, DFW is 30 miles/37 min (mapquest) from Pizza Hut Park, Love Field is about 26 miles, also 37 minutes).

You're not going to Frisco to "visit" Frisco. You're going there for a football game. Now if you're coming for an additional day or 2 or 3, as far as visiting, you have to compare Chatty to Dallas Fort Worth. What would you rather visit, downtown Chatty, or downtown Dallas and Fort Worth? 9 out of 10 people will tell you Dallas/Fort Worth.

[danefan]

Great - so stay in Dallas and come and go from your hotel all day long. Then get in your rental car once and go to Frisco for the game.

I want to be able to mingle with the fans of my school and the other school, for the several days before the game, the day of the game, and the morning/day after. I want the convience of walking everywhere. I don't want to drive everywhere, or take a cab. I don't want the fans to be spread all over the Dallas metro area.

Why can't you admit that this is a big difference between Frisco and Chatty?

Good luck with that one.

BS Hen.

I'll gladly admit its different. But different isn't always bad and what you like isn't always what others like.

Dallas is a major metropolitan area. Chatty is not.

I've never said that there was anything wrong with Chatty. I have no opinion on that. My opinion is on Dallas, which is a city that I enjoy.

Why can't you guys admit that there are people with legitimate beliefs (including the NCAA) that the game in Chatty reached its limit?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Great - so stay in Dallas and come and go from your hotel all day long. Then get in your rental car once and go to Frisco for the game.

I want to be able to mingle with the fans of my school and the other school, for the several days before the game, the day of the game, and the morning/day after. I want the convience of walking everywhere. I don't want to drive everywhere, or take a cab. I don't want the fans to be spread all over the Dallas metro area.

Why can't you admit that this is a big difference between Frisco and Chatty?

If you've been to this shit then you good & well know that the parties, the bars, and everything else as far as social stuff is planned out before you leave so how does all this make it tough for you meet up when & where the action is?

You want to meet up with fans from the other team then since you have a presence on these boards it should be real easy to accomplish that task. I have friends on the boards from many of the schools that may make it so when the time comes you contact me and I'll have itinerary's for both schools social engagements and zip one off to ya.

Man, stop with the "I want this" and "I want that" thing because this is particularly whiny looking and reflects badly on the rugged individualism thing that most of us Montanans are going for.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I loved Chatty, if we get the chance to make a game in Frisco I'm gonna have a GD blast there as well...that's how I roll.

This is the disconnect. People like you and many others on this board are there no matter where the game is, so how you roll is really irrelevant to this.

Untrue Hen, how I roll is of supreme importance to everyone. C'mon man, you oughta know that.

Seriously, before you went to Chatty I was arguing with you years ago on why it was a great location and you had many manufactured reasons why Chatty was not a good place UNTIL YOU WENT. It's good for argument purposes but maybe we should go ahead and give it a try before the judgments start rolling out again.

[GrizFan5]

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You want to meet up with fans from the other team then since you have a presence on these boards it should be real easy to accomplish that task. I have friends on the boards from many of the schools that may make it so when the time comes you contact me and I'll have itinerary's for both schools social engagements and zip one off to ya.

Man, stop with the "I want this" and "I want that" thing because this is particularly whiny looking and reflects badly on the rugged individualism thing that most of us Montanans are going for.[/quote]

Are you another guy who's never been to the championship game? I sure have never planned out my days in advance of going to Chatty. Other than knowing when and where the pep rally is and when the pre-game tailgate near the stadium starts, I have never made any plans in advance. Besides, my goal is not to party with my friends. My goal is to mingle with all the fans, talking to friends and acquaintances and meeting new ones. My goal is not to be a "rugged individualist", nor is it to conform to anything someone like you would want.

[BDKJMU]

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I'm sure there's just as much hotels, restaurants, bars within walking distance (1-2 miles). quote]

BDK, this was your original statement that set off this discussion. Do you care to defend this statement, instead of running off providing information about how many hotels are within 15 miles or whatever?

How many hotels, restauarants and bars are within walking distance of the stadium (1-2) miles? Even your vaunted hotel.com source showed only 1 hotel without 3.5 miles.

Remember you said you were "sure" of this.

Or, you could just say: "I was wrong. I didn't know what I was talking about. I just made this up."

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Ok, you got me there. Bottom line 1 or 2 miles, 3-6 miles, most people aren't walking to the stadium to tailgate. They're driving to the stadium lots.

[JayJ79]

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Well, Carrington is from Texas (born in Longview, about 150 miles from Frisco), so I figured it was apropos (that, and I'm not really a Zappa fan, and had never heard of his version. )

[danefan]

Are you another guy who's never been to the championship game? I sure have never planned out my days in advance of going to Chatty. Other than knowing when and where the pep rally is and when the pre-game tailgate near the stadium starts, I have never made any plans in advance. Besides, my goal is not to party with my friends. My goal is to mingle with all the fans, talking to friends and acquaintances and meeting new ones. My goal is not to be a "rugged individualist", nor is it to conform to anything someone like you would want.

How do you know this isn't going to happen at Frisco?

The NCAA stated that its reasoning for moving the game to Frisco was they thought Frisco could provide a better game-day experience for fans and make the game more of an event.

Sounds to me like that's exactly what you are looking for. Maybe you should wait until you go to Frisco to decide whether its sufficient for your liking?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

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You want to meet up with fans from the other team then since you have a presence on these boards it should be real easy to accomplish that task. I have friends on the boards from many of the schools that may make it so when the time comes you contact me and I'll have itinerary's for both schools social engagements and zip one off to ya.

Man, stop with the "I want this" and "I want that" thing because this is particularly whiny looking and reflects badly on the rugged individualism thing that most of us Montanans are going for.

Are you another guy who's never been to the championship game? I sure have never planned out my days in advance of going to Chatty. Other than knowing when and where the pep rally is and when the pre-game tailgate near the stadium starts, I have never made any plans in advance. Besides, my goal is not to party with my friends. My goal is to mingle with all the fans, talking to friends and acquaintances and meeting new ones. My goal is not to be a "rugged individualist", nor is it to conform to anything someone like you would want.

Been to every one of them except last year's so I have a track record that probably trumps yours.

If you don't plan before you go as to where to meet up with people then too bad for you because it looks like you've been missing out on a lot in Chatty with the other teams fans and your own fans.

You don't want to get together for some parties and so forth then good for you but there ain't gonna be a lot of Montana fans or other fans for you to choose from. Make your plans on your own for those sorts of things I guess because you ain't gonna like what we do.

You need things catered to you in the fashion you seem to be putting out here then I assume you won't be going since this all so tough to work out. You'll be missed, but if you do "sack up" and decide to give a try and actually see for yourself then good for you.

[Col Hogan]

I like this mainly because its more centralized and gives schools out west that get to the championship game a less time to travel and more of a fan base. Texas is also football crazy so i can expect this place to be packed every game

If Texas is so football crazy, why does the first SLC team not show up at #20 in the 2009 NCAA attendance list... http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/ ... NDANCE.pdf


I don't care at this point where the game is held...The College World Series has had a relationship with one stadium since 1950 and has signed for another 35 years, so keeping it in one place works...

But let's all accept that the locals will come out maybe the first year...as a novelity...but after that, I predict we'll see the same thing we've seen at Chatty...and that this move was for $$$ and nothing else...

[AshevilleApp]

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Well, Carrington is from Texas (born in Longview, about 150 miles from Frisco), so I figured it was apropos (that, and I'm not really a Zappa fan, and had never heard of his version. )

It's cool. I had never heard of Rodney Carrington before. I'd seen Titties and Beer referenced here a couple of times, and figured it was from Zappa fans.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I like this mainly because its more centralized and gives schools out west that get to the championship game a less time to travel and more of a fan base. Texas is also football crazy so i can expect this place to be packed every game

If Texas is so football crazy, why does the first SLC team not show up at #20 in the 2009 NCAA attendance list... http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/ ... NDANCE.pdf


I don't care at this point where the game is held...The College World Series has had a relationship with one stadium since 1950 and has signed for another 35 years, so keeping it in one place works...

But let's all accept that the locals will come out maybe the first year...as a novelity...but after that, I predict we'll see the same thing we've seen at Chatty...and that this move was for $$$ and nothing else...

Agree with all of that. Don't care that the move was made for money either. We've all seen what a lack of money can do as far as taking away things we enjoy following.

[JayJ79]

It's cool. I had never heard of Rodney Carrington before. I'd seen Titties and Beer referenced here a couple of times, and figured it was from Zappa fans.

There are also plenty of guys (and a few girls, for that matter) who are big fans of titties and beer, but don't give a sh*t about Carrington OR Zappa.

[AshevilleApp]

All arguments aside, Frisco has the game now and I hope they do well. If App makes the championship, I'll find a way to get there and enjoy myself. If it doesn't work out in Texas, move it again in a couple of years.

[AZGrizFan]

Basically you're only concerns should be :
1. Are there ample hotels near the location?
2. Are there nearby restaurants (for if you come the night before)?
3. Is there ample parking near the stadium for tailgating?
4. Does the stadium have good sightlines?
5. Weather
6. And if you're flying in how far away is the nearest at least medium sized airport? (Chatty has a small airport, Atlanta Hartsfield is 130 miles/2 hrs from Chatty. For Frisco you have 2 major airports, DFW is 30 miles/37 min (mapquest) from Pizza Hut Park, Love Field is about 26 miles, also 37 minutes).

You're not going to Frisco to "visit" Frisco. You're going there for a football game. Now if you're coming for an additional day or 2 or 3, as far as visiting, you have to compare Chatty to Dallas Fort Worth. What would you rather visit, downtown Chatty, or downtown Dallas and Fort Worth? 9 out of 10 people will tell you Dallas/Fort Worth.

1) No, not really. There's TWO hotel within 2 miles, with the bulk of the local hotels being at the intersection of Highway 121 and the Dallas North Tollway (about 3-4 miles away). So, in comparison to Chatty, the hotels are not nearly as "clustered".
2) Not only YES, but HELL yes. http://www.urbanspoon.com/ps/13/2801/Da ... -Park.html. There are oodles of restaurants within walking distance including burgers, pubs, bars, etc.
3) Parking is ri-goddamned-diculous. They've got more parking than you can shake a stick at!
4) It's a soccer stadium, but being as it's basically new, I'm sure the sight lines are sufficient.
5) Current weather - 42 degrees and slight rain. Current Chatty weather: 46 degrees and raining
6) You pretty much answered that question. Dallas in a romp.

So, as I see it, the only issue on YOUR list is the hotels. And the newly opened Embassy Suites in Frisco happens to be connected to the largest meeting facility in North Dallas, the Frisco Conference Center. Seems very suitable for hosting one (if not both) teams.

[T-Dog]

Finley Stadium is technically downtown, but it was "other side of the tracks" downtown.

I was looking through my old pics and found this one from the 2007 title game.



See, it's quite literally on the other side of the tracks.

Your memory about distances to hotels is not corrrect. The Marriott in Chattanooga, as well as several other hotels, are about 5 or 6 blocks from the stadium.

Eh close enough. Walkable, but all those places were still way too expensive for me to stay at.

[89Hen]

BS Hen.

I'll gladly admit its different. But different isn't always bad and what you like isn't always what others like.

Dallas is a major metropolitan area. Chatty is not.

I've never said that there was anything wrong with Chatty. I have no opinion on that. My opinion is on Dallas, which is a city that I enjoy.

Why can't you guys admit that there are people with legitimate beliefs (including the NCAA) that the game in Chatty reached its limit?

What 5 was getting at is the difference between driving and walking is worse. The game may have reached it's limit, that's not what's in dispute, it's whether Frisco can set a new higher limit.

[89Hen]

Basically you're only concerns should be

You left off #1...

- Can I drive, or do I have to fly.

[89Hen]

Seriously, before you went to Chatty I was arguing with you years ago on why it was a great location and you had many manufactured reasons why Chatty was not a good place UNTIL YOU WENT. It's good for argument purposes but maybe we should go ahead and give it a try before the judgments start rolling out again.

Big diffference. I wasn't listening to people who had been there for the game. NOBODY has been yet, so speculation is all we have at this point. If the game next year is a huge success, I will have to eat crow, and will have no problem doing so. Just like I did when I was anti-Chatty and then went.

[txstatebobcat]

The only assumption I am making is that SLC fans will go even if they're team isn't in it.

And why are you making that assumption? Some SoCon fans went to the game in Chatty without their team in it... very few... not enough to make a dent in the attendence (butts in the seats, not tickets sold). Why would the SLC be different? Do they have larger fanbases than the SoCon? Do they have better attendance than the SoCon? Is there something else i'm missing?

Its not so much larger fanbases. However I can guarantee that SLC schools have much larger fanbases living in the DFW metroplex than the socon does in Chattanooga.

another thing, there are three FBS schools in the DFW area. all three had threads on this topic:

University of North Texas
http://www.gomeangreen.com/forums/index ... opic=51184

SMU also had thread going but I can't seem to find it right now.

TCU
http://www.killerfrogs.com/msgboard/ind ... 11945&st=0

Just goes to show that there is an interest in people going to see this game.

[89Hen]

Just goes to show that there is an interest in people going to see this game.

A bit of a stretch there bobcat.

BTW, RaiderFrog says: "Great news! I am a fan of 1-AA football as well as D1 ball."

[dbackjon]

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Not sure where everyone is going to park though????

Assuming there is not a Texas team in the game, all 3,500 attendees should have no problem finding spaces. If a Texas team is in it, maybe the 9,000 spectators can carpool.

I don't know who would consider Frisco a destination area. It's basically just a bunch of chain restaurants, stores, and pretentious attitudes

[AZGrizFan]

Basically you're only concerns should be

You left off #1...

- Can I drive, or do I have to fly.

Which only applies to JMU, UD and ASU fans.

[putter]

I have yet to find people who come to Missoula for a game and stay at the Wingate (for my kids) or the Holiday Inn on Reserve that complain. Yes Reserve St has motels and places to eat but it is nowhere near Wa/Griz and you can have a great time driving down to it and finding parking on game day. it is what it is but every venue has it's pros and cons. You just have to concentrate on one or the other to be happy or sad....