FCS Title Game Fight Heating Up

[TexasTerror]

FYI...

College Sporting News is working on getting some specifics of the Frisco bid. Once I have the information, it'll be out in a blog and/or column form.

[BlackFalkin]

I've heard, again, 3rd time I'm saying this, that Frisco has the bid all but wrapped up. As much as I've heard is financially their proposal blows away anything Chatty has ever brought to the table. Ticket sales would be colse to a push between the two so I've taken this to say corporate support will make the large difference. I have a couple free flights on SW so that'd be cool.

On another point, the Wilmington N-J had the NC game for next year on the 9th, not the 7th as well. If the game starts at its normal time the NFL playoffs would be over for the day.

WELP! If it's in Frisco you fat, ugly, 40 YO bastards will see BlackFalkin at the NC game. Eastern vs. Richmond.

[danefan]

FYI...

College Sporting News is working on getting some specifics of the Frisco bid. Once I have the information, it'll be out in a blog and/or column form.

Looking forward to it.

[Grizo406]

Can someone explain the Southwest Airlines comment?

I've heard that Southwest Airlines has committed to provide charter flights for the teams (and their staff) in the game.

I've also heard that Southwest has pledged to provide low-cost packages specifically designed for students and fans of the schools participating and that will also come in the form of a "charter" meaning it would be available to the schools regardless of their proximity to an airport that Southwest serves.

There has been no official announcement of this, its just something that came through the grapevine.

There are some logistical issues using a "regional" airline especially because Southwest doesn't technically serve an area of high concentration of FCS teams (South Carolina and Georgia as well as some of the Big SKy Country), but the kind of committment that is rumored from Southwest will do wonders, IMO, to calm the concerns about moving the game west of the Mississippi.

If true, that sounds like it would wrap this deal up for Frisco!

Thanks for the info, danefan!!

[ASUG8]

I've heard, again, 3rd time I'm saying this, that Frisco has the bid all but wrapped up. As much as I've heard is financially their proposal blows away anything Chatty has ever brought to the table. Ticket sales would be colse to a push between the two so I've taken this to say corporate support will make the large difference. I have a couple free flights on SW so that'd be cool.

On another point, the Wilmington N-J had the NC game for next year on the 9th, not the 7th as well. If the game starts at its normal time the NFL playoffs would be over for the day.

WELP! If it's in Frisco you fat, ugly, 40 YO bastards will see BlackFalkin at the NC game. Eastern vs. Richmond.

Dude, you won't live long enough to see that matchup, much less EWU get past the semifinals.

[TexasTerror]

Looking forward to it.

Just posted a blog with dates to look ahead to - directly from the SLC office.

Still gathering information for a column on the subject. Hope to have plenty of info and news to share sometime this week.

In addition to correspondence with the SLC, been trying to get some info from Chatty. Requested an interview with Friesrson from the Chatty TFP as well.

[bench]

Given that this game will never be a destination game at a neutral-site, doesn't draw dick anywhere unless a team within driving distance is playing in it, and how much stupid east coast/west coast shit you hear during venue debates, I wish the damn thing was held at home sites like the rest of the playoffs.

[AZGrizFan]

Given that this game will never be a destination game at a neutral-site, doesn't draw dick anywhere unless Montana a team within driving distance is playing in it, and how much stupid east coast/west coast shit you hear during venue debates, I wish the damn thing was held at home sites like the rest of the playoffs.

FIFY

[jd of de]

Given that this game will never be a destination game at a neutral-site, doesn't draw dick anywhere unless Montana a team within driving distance is playing in it, and how much stupid east coast/west coast **** you hear during venue debates, I wish the damn thing was held at home sites like the rest of the playoffs.

NC attendance figures sure don't support your Montana travels well theory.

2001 Montana vs Furman Locale: Chattanooga, Tennessee 12,698

A local team makes a difference on game attendance. Montana's participation does not.

[CatMom]

Given the fact that Montana fans have to make FLIGHT ($$$$) arrangements (it's over 2000 miles) and hotel arrangements and have a week to do so, they travel extremely well. They outnumbered Villanova (just over 700 miles) this year by a huge margin.

The support is not coming from "locals." This is a concern I get from many of these posts. It's pretty much the only game in town and still can't fill the stadium. I see this as the major sticking point to the attendance argument. (wherever the game is being held)

I also think bringing in the 2001 game is a bit lame. You have no idea how many people were there from which school and how many were not from either school.

You're not going to have 10,000 Montana fans travel on that short notice. It's not economically feasible or plausible. However, from what folks are touting on here...since it's in the EAST any team from there should have that many fans traveling but...it just ain't happening.

[danefan]

If the Griz make a NC game in Frisco in January, I would be willing to be that they would travel much much better than they do to Chatty.

It will be easier and cheaper for the fans to get there on three weeks notice and with a major middle-America airport.

[jd of de]

Given the fact that Montana fans have to make FLIGHT ($$$$) arrangements (it's over 2000 miles) and hotel arrangements and have a week to do so, they travel extremely well. They outnumbered Villanova (just over 700 miles) this year by a huge margin.

The support is not coming from "locals." This is a concern I get from many of these posts. It's pretty much the only game in town and still can't fill the stadium. I see this as the major sticking point to the attendance argument. (wherever the game is being held)

I also think bringing in the 2001 game is a bit lame. You have no idea how many people were there from which school and how many were not from either school.

You're not going to have 10,000 Montana fans travel on that short notice. It's not economically feasible or plausible. However, from what folks are touting on here...since it's in the EAST any team from there should have that many fans traveling but...it just ain't happening.

1) Short notice airfares ARE an issue. Hotels cost are what they are because the host city knows X-number will be rented generally.
2) The 2001 game IS THE GAME without a local team (ie:ASU) to draw from. It is fair.
3) NOVA can't draw @ NOVA. Delaware outdraws NOVA @ NOVA.
4) There are a number of valid reason huge numbers of Griz fans aren't at the NC game. My point was to rebut a previous post that implied huge numbers of Montana fans DID travel to the NC game.

[jd of de]

If the Griz make a NC game in Frisco in January, I would be willing to be that they would travel much much better than they do to Chatty.

It will be easier and cheaper for the fans to get there on three weeks notice and with a major middle-America airport.

Chatty has two airport options; Nashville and Atlanta whereas Frisco has only one, DFW. Is DFW that much cheaper from Missoula? And to the 3 weeks lead time, it would likely make a difference in Chatty too. They have done a great job one week before X-mas for years. I remind you 3 NC games have been held in Texas. One had a crowd of 13k and the other two 11k.

[danefan]

If the Griz make a NC game in Frisco in January, I would be willing to be that they would travel much much better than they do to Chatty.

It will be easier and cheaper for the fans to get there on three weeks notice and with a major middle-America airport.

Chatty has two airport options; Nashville and Atlanta whereas Frisco has only one, DFW. Is DFW that much cheaper from Missoula? And to the 3 weeks lead time, it would likely make a difference in Chatty too. They have done a great job one week before X-mas for years. I remind you 3 NC games have been held in Texas. One had a crowd of 13k and the other two 11k.

Dallas has two airports actually - DFW and Love Field. Love Field is the Southwest Airlines headquarters.

Chatty's major issue, IMO, is the fact that we have to consider an airport 2 hours away as their major airport. Most people are not willing to fly to an airport 2 hours away from their location.

There have actually been 4 NC games in Texas (Whichita Falls) with a max attendance being 15,950 in 1983. No one has talked about the NC games in Whichita Falls because its irrelevant to this discussion. It was 30 years ago. FCS football has changed dramatically since then.

But if you must discuss it lets remember this: Whichita Falls had the 2nd highest non-Chatty neutral site attendance in the history of the FCS NC game (coming in only behind the 1994 matchup of Boise St. and YSU at Marshall). Yes - Boise St. in a game at Marshall....exactly why its an irrelevant comparison.

[Saint3333]

FCS fans will support the game no matter the participants...

Yep every year during ASU's bye week I search out the best FCS game in the area and drive over to watch.

99% of fans have better things to do than spend an entire day traveling to see two teams they don't pull for, especially when it's on TV.

[CatMom]

The argument being made is that the east coast teams are within driving distance. Boone is 273 miles to Chatty...that is a distinct advantage fan-wise (for ASU) and considerably more of a home field advantage than any team from the west and a prominent part of this discussion.

It's also apparent that this argument, or whatever, is becoming totally circular and no matter what one feels about it, we have no say in it. It will be whatever the NCAA decides and I think all of us will deal with whatever decision is made.

end of discussion

[AZGrizFan]

NC attendance figures sure don't support your Montana travels well theory.

2001 Montana vs Furman Locale: Chattanooga, Tennessee 12,698

A local team makes a difference on game attendance. Montana's participation does not.

You, sir, are an idiot.

All I can say is this: WHOEVER gets the game better hope like HELL that two teams like Villanova AND Richmond don't get to the game.

There are basically three schools that draw their fans to the game in Chatty: ASU (undisputed king of NC game attendance), GSU and Montana.

2007 App St 49-21 Delaware 23,010
2006 App St 28-17 U Mass 22,808
1999 Ga So 59-24 YSU 20,052
2005 App St 21-16 UNI 19,219
2008 Richmond 24-7 Montana 17,823
1998 UMass 55-43 Ga So 17,501
2000 Ga So 27-25 Montana 17,156
2004 JMU 31-21 Montana 15,599
1997 YSU 10-9 McNeese 14,771
2003 Delaware 40-0 Colgate 14,281
2009 Villanova 23-21 Montana 14,258
2001 Montana 13-6 Furman 12,698
2002 WKU 34-14 McNeese 12,360

Don't let the numbers fool you: 2/3 of the fans at the 2001 and 2009 games were Montana fans. WE don't have any difficulty traveling---if you actually attended a game, you'd realize that. Now, if you intend to make it Montana's responsibility to FILL the entire fucking stadium, let's just move the game to Missoula. Otherwise, it'd be nice if the OTHER team could bring some fans occasionally. The teams on THIS list that should be embarrassed are WKU (2002), Villanova (2009), Delaware (2003), Furman (2001) and JMU (2004).

The KING of pathetic is 2002: Lake Charles, LA to Chatty is 568 miles. Bowling Green, KY to Chatty: 195 miles.

[jd of de]

NC attendance figures sure don't support your Montana travels well theory.

2001 Montana vs Furman Locale: Chattanooga, Tennessee 12,698

A local team makes a difference on game attendance. Montana's participation does not.

You, sir, are an idiot.

All I can say is this: WHOEVER gets the game better hope like HELL that two teams like Villanova AND Richmond don't get to the game.

There are basically three schools that draw their fans to the game in Chatty: ASU (undisputed king of NC game attendance), GSU and Montana.

2007 App St 49-21 Delaware 23,010
2006 App St 28-17 U Mass 22,808
1999 Ga So 59-24 YSU 20,052
2005 App St 21-16 UNI 19,219
2008 Richmond 24-7 Montana 17,823
1998 UMass 55-43 Ga So 17,501
2000 Ga So 27-25 Montana 17,156
2004 JMU 31-21 Montana 15,599
1997 YSU 10-9 McNeese 14,771
2003 Delaware 40-0 Colgate 14,281
2009 Villanova 23-21 Montana 14,258
2001 Montana 13-6 Furman 12,698
2002 WKU 34-14 McNeese 12,360

Don't let the numbers fool you: 2/3 of the fans at the 2001 and 2009 games were Montana fans. WE don't have any difficulty traveling---if you actually attended a game, you'd realize that. Now, if you intend to make it Montana's responsibility to FILL the entire **** stadium, let's just move the game to Missoula. Otherwise, it'd be nice if the OTHER team could bring some fans occasionally. The teams on THIS list that should be embarrassed are WKU (2002), Villanova (2009), Delaware (2003), Furman (2001) and JMU (2004).

The KING of pathetic is 2002: Lake Charles, LA to Chatty is 568 miles. Bowling Green, KY to Chatty: 195 miles.

And you sir are a f#*Ki*G MORON.

UD sold out there ticket allotments in 2003 and 2008 and were though out numbered by ASU for obvious reasons 2008 bought up several thousand more tickets from the general pool. Had you been to either game you'd know that.

God your egos are so out larged for being the Buffalo Bills of FCS.

[AZGrizFan]

1) Short notice airfares ARE an issue. Hotels cost are what they are because the host city knows X-number will be rented generally.
2) The 2001 game IS THE GAME without a local team (ie:ASU) to draw from. It is fair.
3) NOVA can't draw @ NOVA. Delaware outdraws NOVA @ NOVA.
4) There are a number of valid reason huge numbers of Griz fans aren't at the NC game. My point was to rebut a previous post that implied huge numbers of Montana fans DID travel to the NC game.

Isn't Furman in Greenville, SC? That's 238 miles. TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY EIGHT miles. How much more "local" are you lookin' for, because UT-Chattanooga ain't gonna make the game any time soon.

Jesus....you have really lowered the IQ of this board---and of the UD contingent.
And I'll bet you a C-Note that the fan split at the 2001 game was 75/25 in favor of Montana, not the team that had the game in their back yard.

[AZGrizFan]

You, sir, are an idiot.

All I can say is this: WHOEVER gets the game better hope like HELL that two teams like Villanova AND Richmond don't get to the game.

There are basically three schools that draw their fans to the game in Chatty: ASU (undisputed king of NC game attendance), GSU and Montana.

2007 App St 49-21 Delaware 23,010
2006 App St 28-17 U Mass 22,808
1999 Ga So 59-24 YSU 20,052
2005 App St 21-16 UNI 19,219
2008 Richmond 24-7 Montana 17,823
1998 UMass 55-43 Ga So 17,501
2000 Ga So 27-25 Montana 17,156
2004 JMU 31-21 Montana 15,599
1997 YSU 10-9 McNeese 14,771
2003 Delaware 40-0 Colgate 14,281
2009 Villanova 23-21 Montana 14,258
2001 Montana 13-6 Furman 12,698
2002 WKU 34-14 McNeese 12,360

Don't let the numbers fool you: 2/3 of the fans at the 2001 and 2009 games were Montana fans. WE don't have any difficulty traveling---if you actually attended a game, you'd realize that. Now, if you intend to make it Montana's responsibility to FILL the entire **** stadium, let's just move the game to Missoula. Otherwise, it'd be nice if the OTHER team could bring some fans occasionally. The teams on THIS list that should be embarrassed are WKU (2002), Villanova (2009), Delaware (2003), Furman (2001) and JMU (2004).

The KING of pathetic is 2002: Lake Charles, LA to Chatty is 568 miles. Bowling Green, KY to Chatty: 195 miles.

And you sir are a f#*Ki*G MORON.

UD sold out there ticket allotments in 2003 and 2008 and were though out numbered by ASU for obvious reasons 2008 bought up several thousand more tickets from the general pool. Had you been to either game you'd know that.

God your egos are so out larged for being the Buffalo Bills of FCS.

You got a ticket allotment for the Montana/Richmond game?

[Saint3333]

The west coaster's here like to claim the debate is between which city will support the game better, but actually your position is that it is unfair to the West Coast teams due to the travel.

Which is it the unfair debate or actually doing what is best for the FCS (attendance and support for the title game)?

[Tailbone]

.......
God your egos are so out larged for being the Buffalo Bills of FCS.

HAHAHAHAHa.

This, from a fan of the Minnesota Vikings of the FCS.

[Tailbone]

.......
Which is it the unfair debate or actually doing what is best for the FCS (attendance and support for the title game)?

Well, it can't be "what's best for FCS".
A game held at the bottom of Flathead lake would outdraw either venue.

[CatMom]

[TexasTerror]

Chatty has two airport options; Nashville and Atlanta whereas Frisco has only one, DFW. [Is DFW that much cheaper from Missoula? And to the 3 weeks lead time, it would likely make a difference in Chatty too. They have done a great job one week before X-mas for years. I remind you 3 NC games have been held in Texas. One had a crowd of 13k and the other two 11k.

DFW and Love Field are both cheaper options than flying into Chattanooga.

DFW and Love Field are both within 30 mi of Pizza Hut Park. Your options of Nashville and Atlanta are not that close, are they?

And the comparison of championship games are not good. Those were in Wichita Falls, TX which is not accessible. Worse that Chattanooga as far as accessibility.

And at the end of the day - Chattanooga does not support the game. This game relies on the locals and Chatty just topped 10k local fans for the first time this past year. And that came under a threat of losing the game...so, that's what it takes? And attendance was bad as a whole this year.

Need to move it somewhere that can put butts in the seats, can market the game and utilize corporate partners. That's FRISCO!