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DMoo531 wrote:I don't quite understand Sam Houston's claim to fame, other than they did well last year but put together a piss-poor OOC schedule this year and barely made the 7 wins. Yes they did beat the Incarnate women's club and the ever powerful Texas Southern. Yes they did schedule (and lose to) two quality FBS teams. This gives them the edge over Northern Arizona-who actually beat a FBS team? NAU who had to fight in a somewhat stiffer BSC.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying SHSU isn't a quality team worthy of the playoffs. All I'm saying is they got the nod over a few who were more worthy of a slot. Perhaps chances of getting a ticket to the dance increase the closer you are to Frisco.
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htownbearkat wrote:
uofmman1122 wrote: As putter said, take off the bearkat colored glasses. :tothehand:

You guys took advantage of our out of position defense for a quarter and a half and then couldn't get anything until the last drive to kill the clock. In the meantime, our offense scored 28 points on your "stellar, unreal" defense, almost winning the game. AND we were on the road.

You guys win fair and square, but don't think you shoved it down our throats.

Also, had the game been a night game in Missoula, your team probably would have lost just as badly as UNI did the week before. I hope you don't have to go play in Bozeman for your sake this year. :coffee:

Edit: fixed the quote because I'm stupid. :lol:
What do call it then when you punt the ball with 6 min left in the game and can it get it back? when you know who is going to get the ball on every play and you cant stop it. no, your right thats not shoving it down your throats. :nod:
Hey, Flanders made a great play on that 4th down when the hole wasn't there, and had our D-End not crashed in on the line and stayed home we might be flying our 3rd flag right now. He could have easily caught Flanders on his break for a loss.

Up until that point though, you guys had 2 first downs all second half, while we came back to nearly tie.

It was a great game, and both teams were pretty evenly matched. And I guess by the way you worded it, you're right. We couldn't stop Flanders on that 4th down and he made a great play.

But he didn't do shit for 25 minutes before that and we knew he was coming. So seriously, we didn't play well enough to win that day, but our teams were pretty evenly matched, just like John said. :coffee:
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uofmman1122 wrote:
htownbearkat wrote:
agreed, it was a great game.

What do call it then when you punt the ball with 6 min left in the game and can it get it back? when you know who is going to get the ball on every play and you cant stop it. no, your right thats not shoving it down your throats. :nod:
Hey, Flanders made a great play on that 4th down when the hole wasn't there, and had our D-End not crashed in on the line and stayed home we might be flying our 3rd flag right now. He could have easily caught Flanders on his break for a loss.

Up until that point though, you guys had 2 first downs all second half, while we came back to nearly tie.

It was a great game, and both teams were pretty evenly matched. And I guess by the way you worded it, you're right. We couldn't stop Flanders on that 4th down and he made a great play.

But he didn't do **** for 25 minutes before that and we knew he was coming. So seriously, we didn't play well enough to win that day, but our teams were pretty evenly matched, just like John said. :coffee:
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htownbearkat wrote:
uofmman1122 wrote:Hey, Flanders made a great play on that 4th down when the hole wasn't there, and had our D-End not crashed in on the line and stayed home we might be flying our 3rd flag right now. He could have easily caught Flanders on his break for a loss.

Up until that point though, you guys had 2 first downs all second half, while we came back to nearly tie.

It was a great game, and both teams were pretty evenly matched. And I guess by the way you worded it, you're right. We couldn't stop Flanders on that 4th down and he made a great play.

But he didn't do **** for 25 minutes before that and we knew he was coming. So seriously, we didn't play well enough to win that day, but our teams were pretty evenly matched, just like John said. :coffee:
agreed, it was a great game.
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Sam Houston is better than they were last year. Winning on the road in the playoffs won't easy but they have the goods to win it all.
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Hmm, maybe I will root for MSU over SHSU afterall...
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Brock Landers wrote:Hmm, maybe I will root for MSU over SHSU afterall...
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MSU will be lucky to get by the Stonybrook/Villanova winner. :coffee:
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DMoo531 wrote: Yes they did schedule (and lose to) two quality FBS teams. This gives them the edge over Northern Arizona-who actually beat a FBS team? NAU who had to fight in a somewhat stiffer BSC.
I posted much of this information in the "Quality Losses" thread but I'll repeat it here. The consensus of power rankings, at least, is that McNeese State was stronger than anybody NAU played. I'll indicate Sagarin (Sag), Massey (Mas), and the average of ratings at http://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Av). There are some blanks (---) because Sagarin only does Division I and the ranking comparison only includes FCS. Here we go:

McNeese State Sag 111*, Mas 128**, Av 27
UNLV Sag 138, Mas 153, Av ---
Fort Lewis Sag ---, Mas 598, Av ---
Montana Sag 154, Mas 156, Av 42
Portland State Sag 161, Mas 177, Av 57
North Dakota Sag 144, Mas 145, Av 44
UC Davis Sag 159, Mas 165, Av 48
Northern Colorado Sag 165, Mas 162, Av 51
Idaho State Sag 222, Mas 307, Av 113

*17th in FCS **22nd in FCS

So it appears that power ratings pretty much "agree" that McNeese State was better than anybody NAU beat. And Sam Houston State beat the Cowboys by 45-10.

You might get some idea as to how well McNeese State could play at times this year by looking at their game with Weber State. Yes, I know Weber State was bottom of the barrel in the Big Sky. But the McNeese's level of dominance before it cleared the bench midway through the 4th quarter was probably at least as "large" as what any Big Sky team achieved against the Wildcats.

At 6:45 remaining in the game, McNeese had a 35-7 lead and had outgained Weber State by 469 to 93 in total yards. They had 292 yards rushing. Then it was bench clearing time and Weber State got two cosmetic touchdowns on two +60 yard drives to make the final score and final stats look better.

Now, another thing that happened during that game did make things easier for other teams playing McNeese for the remainder of the season. McNeese suffered a rash of injuries during the second half. I wrote in this forum at the time that, while they had won the game, they may have lost their season due to the injuries Weber State inflicted on them. When they played Sam Houston State they were playing without six players who started on defense against Middle Tennessee State and Weber State plus some of their backups. So they were significantly weaker and thinner on that side of the ball.

But, still, they were a good team. They were still able to play Central Arkansas to the point of Central Arkansas needing a miracle to win in the last minute of play and still able to comfortably beat a Stephen F. Austin team that, as you recall, gave Montana State a pretty good game. They're not a playoff team. But the difference between them being in the playoffs ahead of Central Arkansas is a good bounce Central Arkansas got on an onside kick followed by a 47 yard field goal. That bounce also probably made the difference between them being somewhere around the top 15 in the average power ratings and rankings instead of hovering around the edge of the top 25.
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Kats got into playoffs because they were ranked in Top 10 ALL SEASON and finished ranked #5. Why should they not get the love? This is a completely different team since the loss to UCA.
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