Eight Bison football players charged

[rkwittem]

What a surprise that resident NDSU hater Darell breaks the story...slow day at the bottom of the Big Sky?

To answer the other questions on the thread...Williams is their best defensive player and Ojuri is the lead RB. They would be huge losses, absolutely.

My bet is that Bohl does just what Clenz predicts...waits until the day in court, plays them in what figures to be a loss against CSU and then suspends them against Prairie View A&M.

So do you approve of the way he is handling the situation?

No- I would suspend them until the situation is resolved. I'm fairly indifferent. I can see it both ways, whether you take the proactive stance or the reactive stance. I think everyone would prefer to see a proactive position being taken but it's wishful thinking, in my opinion. Coaches want to make sure a door is closed instead of closing it themselves. That's why Bohl is waiting. And why a lot of other coaches wait when it comes to legal issues of this caliber. (Obviously more serious stuff requires the immediate removal of the player, but this doesn't fit the bill as "more serious" to me.)

[rkwittem]

What a surprise that resident NDSU hater Darell breaks the story...slow day at the bottom of the Big Sky?

And if this had happened at UND there would be 300 threads here and on AGS by Bison fans making jokes and pointing out the situation.

I very much doubt that...as it applies to championshipsubdivision.com. I don't spend much time on AGS, but ever since JBB and lakes got the boot, the number of NDSU threads here has been lower than it was when they were still around.
I also disagree that if it happened at UND, it would even be discussed. There's only one UND fan that regularly comments here and UND is for all intents and purposes a mostly irrelevant FCS team- they don't drive much discussion in the FCS forum here. I know you were going for hyperbole when you said there would be "300 threads," but I don't think there would be more than 1 at most if this had happened at UND. I'm sure a few NDSU folks would crack jokes here and elsewhere.

[Darell1976]

And if this had happened at UND there would be 300 threads here and on AGS by Bison fans making jokes and pointing out the situation.

I very much doubt that...as it applies to championshipsubdivision.com. I don't spend much time on AGS, but ever since JBB and lakes got the boot, the number of NDSU threads here has been lower than it was when they were still around.
I also disagree that if it happened at UND, it would even be discussed. There's only one UND fan that regularly comments here and UND is for all intents and purposes a mostly irrelevant FCS team- they don't drive much discussion in the FCS forum here. I know you were going for hyperbole when you said there would be "300 threads," but I don't think there would be more than 1 at most if this had happened at UND. I'm sure a few NDSU folks would crack jokes here and elsewhere.

Maybe he meant 300 threads on Bisonville since there is a new one on UND almost everyday. For being an irrelavant FCS team your fan base has a thing for UND. Most NDSU fans are civil when it comes to AGS or CS but on Bville its like a Lakes family reunion.

[grizzaholic]

And if this had happened at UND there would be 300 threads here and on AGS by Bison fans making jokes and pointing out the situation.

I very much doubt that...as it applies to championshipsubdivision.com. I don't spend much time on AGS, but ever since JBB and lakes got the boot, the number of NDSU threads here has been lower than it was when they were still around.
I also disagree that if it happened at UND, it would even be discussed. There's only one UND fan that regularly comments here and UND is for all intents and purposes a mostly irrelevant FCS team- they don't drive much discussion in the FCS forum here. I know you were going for hyperbole when you said there would be "300 threads," but I don't think there would be more than 1 at most if this had happened at UND. I'm sure a few NDSU folks would crack jokes here and elsewhere.

You seem to be a rational Bison fan, who I actually read when I notice you post , but I disagree. There would be threads clogging up the interweb bandwidth about UND by Bison fans.

[bison95]

I very much doubt that...as it applies to championshipsubdivision.com. I don't spend much time on AGS, but ever since JBB and lakes got the boot, the number of NDSU threads here has been lower than it was when they were still around.
I also disagree that if it happened at UND, it would even be discussed. There's only one UND fan that regularly comments here and UND is for all intents and purposes a mostly irrelevant FCS team- they don't drive much discussion in the FCS forum here. I know you were going for hyperbole when you said there would be "300 threads," but I don't think there would be more than 1 at most if this had happened at UND. I'm sure a few NDSU folks would crack jokes here and elsewhere.

You seem to be a rational Bison fan, who I actually read when I notice you post , but I disagree. There would be threads clogging up the interweb bandwidth about UND by Bison fans.

True!

[grizzaholic]

You seem to be a rational Bison fan, who I actually read when I notice you post , but I disagree. There would be threads clogging up the interweb bandwidth about UND by Bison fans.

True!

That goes for you too.


Oh, here is a .gif that I have been sitting on for a bit and haven't seen/been around to use.

[bison95]

True!

That goes for you too.


Oh, here is a .gif that I have been sitting on for a bit and haven't seen/been around to use.

The font runner looks to be wearing an SDSU shirt........

[Aho Old Guy]

Look on the bright side . . . . at least the charges were not Class1 Felonies and the indictments didn't involve sexual assault, major drugs, B&Es, pedophilia, etc.

Were these guys part of a group circulating petitions? Would this not be a matter where the DA would have to show individual intent to commit fraud? We need a web site lawyer - heh heh

I think it will look worse for them if they simply copied names and addresses out of a registry or phone book - especially if they did it in alphabetical order!

[Darell1976]

Look on the bright side . . . . at least the charges were not Class1 Felonies and the indictments didn't involve sexual assault, major drugs, B&Es, pedophilia, etc.

Were these guys part of a group circulating petitions? Would this not be a matter where the DA would have to show individual intent to commit fraud? We need a web site lawyer - heh heh

I think it will look worse for them if they simply copied names and addresses out of a registry or phone book - especially if they did it in alphabetical order!

That's next years team.

[Darell1976]

http://www.ncaa.com/news/football/artic ... -initiativ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The players were paid $9 an hour to gather signatures for two citizen initiatives, which sought to set up a state conservation fund and make marijuana legal for medical treatments. Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem said many of the petition signatures were copied from phone books or fabricated.

Bison coach Craig Bohl said the players have cooperated with investigators and any team discipline will be decided after they finish legal proceedings. The players will be eligible to play this weekend against Colorado State, he said.
The citizen initiatives advocated creating a new state conservation fund, financed by a share of North Dakota’s burgeoning oil tax collections, and the legal use of marijuana to treat symptoms of debilitating illnesses.

Supporters of the conservation initiative paid a consulting firm $145,000 to collect the petition signatures it needed to qualify for the ballot. The measure’s chairman, Stephen Adair, a regional director for Ducks Unlimited in Bismarck, said about $500,000 in television advertising time had already been booked for the fall campaign.

Adair said he felt “sick to my stomach” when he learned of the alleged fraud over the weekend. Stenehjem said the sponsoring committees of the conservation and marijuana initiatives were not themselves suspected of fraud.
The attorney general said 11 people in all face misdemeanor charges in connection with the alleged fraud. The charges carry a maximum penalty of a year in jail and a $2,000 fine.

Aside from the eight NDSU football players, those accused include a former Bison footballer, a woman and a man who is not connected with NDSU’s football program.

[Gil Dobie]

They will be suspended for the UNI game I bet. It will be like Wisconsin where some of the players were out.

[Gil Dobie]

In reality, I would suspend the players now and get the backups some good experience, just in case they needed for the long-haul. If you suspend them later, it could be playoff time and too late to get the backups the wish-they-had experience.

[clenz]

They will be suspended for the UNI game I bet. It will be like Wisconsin where some of the players were out.

Which Wisconsin players were out?

They sure as hell weren't out on offense

Danny O'Brien started and played entire game at QB

Montee Ball and James White played entire game

Jared Abberderis played entire game and was Wisky's top pass catcher


The two deep Wisconsin put out before the season matches up perfectly with who played.

[Gil Dobie]

They will be suspended for the UNI game I bet. It will be like Wisconsin where some of the players were out.

Which Wisconsin players were out?

They sure as hell weren't out on offense

Danny O'Brien started and played entire game at QB

Montee Ball and James White played entire game

Jared Abberderis played entire game and was Wisky's top pass catcher

The two deep Wisconsin put out before the season matches up perfectly with who played.

You know, the players that were out

[dbackjon]

Always hate voter fraud because it seems like it is becoming more rampant with each election, especially with the new diebold machines and of course with Acorn committing voter fraud with fake registrations. My first reaction was that the players should be suspended immediately and that the coach only cares about winning and not discipline. However, while charged, they haven't been found guilty as yet.

It only seems to be more rampant, because the GOP had made it a scare talking point to try to make rules to despress voting.

Acorn didn't commit any fraud. Look to people like Ann coulter, Mitt and Ann Romney, etc that have ACTUALLY committed voter fraud recenlty.

[Gil Dobie]

Always hate voter fraud because it seems like it is becoming more rampant with each election, especially with the new diebold machines and of course with Acorn committing voter fraud with fake registrations. My first reaction was that the players should be suspended immediately and that the coach only cares about winning and not discipline. However, while charged, they haven't been found guilty as yet.

It only seems to be more rampant, because the GOP had made it a scare talking point to try to make rules to despress voting.

Acorn didn't commit any fraud. Look to people like Ann coulter, Mitt and Ann Romney, etc that have ACTUALLY committed voter fraud recenlty.

Voter ID will get rid of most of that type of voter fraud, or at least make it more work for the vote early vote often crowd.

[clenz]

It only seems to be more rampant, because the GOP had made it a scare talking point to try to make rules to despress voting.

Acorn didn't commit any fraud. Look to people like Ann coulter, Mitt and Ann Romney, etc that have ACTUALLY committed voter fraud recenlty.

Voter ID will get rid of most of that type of voter fraud, or at least make it more work for the vote early vote often crowd.

We can't make people actually prove who they are to vote though....that's discrimination.

[Gil Dobie]

Voter ID will get rid of most of that type of voter fraud, or at least make it more work for the vote early vote often crowd.

We can't make people actually prove who they are to vote though....that's discrimination.

[dbackjon]

It only seems to be more rampant, because the GOP had made it a scare talking point to try to make rules to despress voting.

Acorn didn't commit any fraud. Look to people like Ann coulter, Mitt and Ann Romney, etc that have ACTUALLY committed voter fraud recenlty.

Voter ID will get rid of most of that type of voter fraud, or at least make it more work for the vote early vote often crowd.

Not true either.

[ChickenMan]

"Damn.. I needed those votes"...

[rkwittem]

I very much doubt that...as it applies to championshipsubdivision.com. I don't spend much time on AGS, but ever since JBB and lakes got the boot, the number of NDSU threads here has been lower than it was when they were still around.
I also disagree that if it happened at UND, it would even be discussed. There's only one UND fan that regularly comments here and UND is for all intents and purposes a mostly irrelevant FCS team- they don't drive much discussion in the FCS forum here. I know you were going for hyperbole when you said there would be "300 threads," but I don't think there would be more than 1 at most if this had happened at UND. I'm sure a few NDSU folks would crack jokes here and elsewhere.

You seem to be a rational Bison fan, who I actually read when I notice you post , but I disagree. There would be threads clogging up the interweb bandwidth about UND by Bison fans.

I agree...but not here on this site. Mostly because someone kicked all the nutjobs out. Some days I kinda miss the hilarity of sitting back and reading the lakes-jbb-rest of the board arguments.

[BDKJMU]

Always hate voter fraud because it seems like it is becoming more rampant with each election, especially with the new diebold machines and of course with Acorn committing voter fraud with fake registrations. My first reaction was that the players should be suspended immediately and that the coach only cares about winning and not discipline. However, while charged, they haven't been found guilty as yet.

It only seems to be more rampant, because the GOP had made it a scare talking point to try to make rules to despress voting.

Acorn didn't commit any fraud. Look to people like Ann coulter, Mitt and Ann Romney, etc that have ACTUALLY committed voter fraud recenlty.

70 former employees in 12 states convicted of voter fraud
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 61772.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Just some of the examples below:

11/1/06: "ACORN Workers Indicted For Alleged Voter Fraud

KANSAS CITY, Mo. -- Four people have been indicted on charges of voter fraud in Kansas City, officials said Wednesday.
Investigators said questionable registration forms for new voters were collected by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now......"
http://www.kmbc.com/politics/10214492/detail.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/12/07: "Felony charges filed against 7 in state's biggest case of voter-registration fraud

King and Pierce County prosecutors filed felony charges today against seven people who allegedly committed the biggest voter-registration fraud in state history.

The defendants, who were paid employees and supervisors of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now....."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/l ... ud26m.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

""Prosecutors: ACORN 2008 Milwaukee Voter Drive "Marred by Fraud"

MADISON, Wis. (AP) -- A voter registration drive that the community organizing group ACORN conducted in Milwaukee before the 2008 presidential election was marred by fraud and corruption, prosecutors said Monday.

Two former ACORN employees, Maria Miles and Kevin Clancy, were criminally charged Monday. The complaint accuses them of repeatedly trying to register the same voters more than once to meet a 20-signature-per-day quota imposed by ACORN, the embattled group that advocates for low-income people.

ACORN stands for the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

"Miles stated they were 'all hoodlums' working for ACORN and they all had criminal histories, and that they were going to 'do whatever they had to do' to be able to gain their money at the end of each day," Assistant Attorney General David W. Maas and special agent Peter Thelen wrote in the complaint filed in Milwaukee County.....:
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/86913867.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11/23/09 Ex-ACORN official gets probation for voter registration plan
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/no ... gistratio/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/6/2011 "ACORN pleads guilty to felony compensation for registration of voters

The grass-roots community organizing group ACORN once drew the ire of conservative groups and the attention of national media.

And when ACORN faced charges in Las Vegas of voter registration malfeasance in 2008, a flock of political spin doctors and lawyers rushed to its defense.

But three years later, with ACORN's two co-defendants already having taken plea deals and the group essentially defunct and in Chapter 7 bankruptcy, the case received little attention as a lawyer on behalf of ACORN pleaded guilty Wednesday....."
http://www.lvrj.com/news/acorn-pleads-g ... 67839.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4/10/2011: Judge fines ACORN $5,000 for voter registration scheme

A judge Wednesday slapped the defunct grass-roots community organizing group ACORN with a maximum $5,000 fine for its role in a voter registration compensation scheme in the 2008 election cycle.

District Judge Donald Mosley was confined by statute to fine only the corporation, which pleaded guilty in April to one count of felony compensation for registration of voters.

Mosley said that if there were an individual standing before him, and not a corporation, that person would have been given a 10-year prison sentence, "and I wouldn't have thought twice about it."

The judge chastised the now-bankrupt corporation for making a "mockery" of the nation's election process. "This isn't a banana republic," Mosley said.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/judge-fines-ac ... 67598.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

7/9/08 Funds Misappropriated at 2 Nonprofit Groups

Acorn chose to treat the embezzlement of nearly $1 million eight years ago as an internal matter and did not even notify its board....

...A whistle-blower forced Acorn to disclose the embezzlement, which involved the brother of the organization’s founder, Wade Rathke.

The brother, Dale Rathke, embezzled nearly $1 million from Acorn and affiliated charitable organizations in 1999 and 2000, Acorn officials said, but a small group of executives decided to keep the information from almost all of the group’s board members and not to alert law enforcement....."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/09/us/09embezzle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...as documented in a July 2009 report by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, of the 1.3 million registrations Project Vote/ACORN submitted in the 2008 election cycle, more than one-third were invalid..."
http://www.newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/4268" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

".....In Orlando, home to the Magic Kingdom of Disney, Mickey Mouse tried to register. In Indiana there was an application from a sandwich shop called Jimmy Johns. Authorities in Nevada were surprised to receive voter registration forms from the starting line-up of the Dallas Cowboys.

All these applications were provided by the Association of Community Organisations for Reform Now (ACORN), a group that works to register low-income voters. ACORN has been industrious this year, signing up 1.3m voters in 21 states according to its own tallies. But they have run into some trouble; thousands of their voter-registration applications are fakes. In Connecticut a seven-year-old girl applied. A man in Ohio admitted he had signed up with organisers more than 70 times in exchange for cash and cigarettes. In one county in Indiana ACORN turned in 5,000 applications, 2,100 of which were quickly identified as fakes......"
http://www.economist.com/node/12432392" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But no, ACORN according to DBackJon, ACORN didn't commit voter fraud..

[The Kicker]

[youtube]http://youtu.be/SrBLxAt63Ks[/youtube]

Hell everyone is doing it at the top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBLxAt63Ks" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[EWURanger]

FFS keep this shiat in the politics forum.


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[bincitysioux]

IMO, this wouldn't be such a big story if Bohl hadn't just weeks ago tossed from the team an oft-injured, likely 3rd string linebacker for being investigated for a Class A misdemeanor. When "stars" like Williams and Ojuri actually get charged with a Class A misdemeanor, they are apparently afforded the due process that Jemison was denied.................