Did Bitter Montana AD screw over MSU, EWU??

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

One spot better would put EWU and MSU in different brackets.

You must not have read very carefully what I just said SE. They didn't want MSU and EWU on opposite sides of the bracket and since they can do it that way and save coin you god damn well better believe that they are gonna do that. Since the argument that can be made for or against it are both fairly weak they have nothing to worry about.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Dude,

We were 9-2 last year with a win over a FBS, and did not get a seed. We took Weber at home, and then had to go on the road and took out a seeded team quite nicely. If you guys can pull that off this year then perhaps things will change.......

Another strong point that feeds into to why they can do it that way. You need to make some waves and be noticed and it will help. Taking out a #1 seed is good but keeping it going and not dropping out before the semi's or the finals makes that first win much stronger in committee members minds.

[griz8791]

There is a transcript of an open internet chat session with O'Day about this at http://www.ncaa.com/blog/d1football/201 ... mitte.html. In that transcript, O'Day says history is not a factor, at least as far as selection goes:

"Cheri (Great Falls, Montana): Does historical performance in the playoffs have any merit, or are teams judged solely on the current year's record?
Jim O'Day: Teams are selected only on the current year's results and accomplishments. Past history does not factor into the equation."

Of course, he didn't say history doesn't influence seeding.

Obviously Cheri (who I don't know) had the same forlorn hope I had. Also, LOL at the way the second questioner absolutely blasts O'Day over the Western State game.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

There is a transcript of an open internet chat session with O'Day about this at http://www.ncaa.com/blog/d1football/201 ... mitte.html. In that transcript, O'Day says history is not a factor, at least as far as selection goes:

"Cheri (Great Falls, Montana): Does historical performance in the playoffs have any merit, or are teams judged solely on the current year's record?
Jim O'Day: Teams are selected only on the current year's results and accomplishments. Past history does not factor into the equation."

Of course, he didn't say history doesn't influence seeding.

Obviously Cheri (who I don't know) had the same forlorn hope I had. Also, LOL at the way the second questioner absolutely blasts O'Day over the Western State game.

I can't remember for sure but I think those games were scheduled by Don Read.

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Let me get this straight. Big Sky fans are accusing a fellow Big Sky AD of sabatoging league members in the seeding?

Really?

[griz8791]

Let me get this straight. Big Sky fans are accusing a fellow Big Sky AD of sabatoging league members in the seeding?

Really?

They are really, really f***ing pissed at him about that e-mail.

[dbackjon]

Let me get this straight. Big Sky fans are accusing a fellow Big Sky AD of sabatoging league members in the seeding?

Really?

Yes - O'Day is a bitter queen diva that thinks he should be a FBS level AD (along with the salary that goes with it). Once his dream of moving up to FBS was dashed, and his choice of coach failed to make the playoffs, he took his hissy fit out on the Bobcats and Eagles.

Montana is used to being the "class of the Big Sky" They can not stand the fact that other schools are catching up and passing them in their claim to fame, football. O'Day dreads another Big Sky team making a deep run in the playoffs, because that bursts the Griz self-importance.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Let me get this straight. Big Sky fans are accusing a fellow Big Sky AD of sabatoging league members in the seeding?

Really?

Yes - O'Day is a bitter queen diva that thinks he should be a FBS level AD (along with the salary that goes with it). Once his dream of moving up to FBS was dashed, and his choice of coach failed to make the playoffs, he took his hissy fit out on the Bobcats and Eagles.

Montana is used to being the "class of the Big Sky" They can not stand the fact that other schools are catching up and passing them in their claim to fame, football. O'Day dreads another Big Sky team making a deep run in the playoffs, because that bursts the Griz self-importance.

Actually Dback, what we are more used to than anything else is being the scapegoat for all BSC teams no matter what happens to them or any slight no matter how ill perceived it may be.

Anything good that happens and all credit goes to you guys of course.

I wish I had time to banter with you tonight but I don't so I hope to look in here tomorrow and see how badly you got yer ass handed to ya.

[jd of de]

Let me get this straight. Big Sky fans are accusing a fellow Big Sky AD of sabatoging league members in the seeding?

Really?

Yes - O'Day is a bitter queen diva that thinks he should be a FBS level AD (along with the salary that goes with it). Once his dream of moving up to FBS was dashed, and his choice of coach failed to make the playoffs, he took his hissy fit out on the Bobcats and Eagles.

Montana is used to being the "class of the Big Sky" They can not stand the fact that other schools are catching up and passing them in their claim to fame, football. O'Day dreads another Big Sky team making a deep run in the playoffs, because that bursts the Griz self-importance.

I hate to point out that he wasn't the lone voting member on the committee.

[dbackjon]

Yes - O'Day is a bitter queen diva that thinks he should be a FBS level AD (along with the salary that goes with it). Once his dream of moving up to FBS was dashed, and his choice of coach failed to make the playoffs, he took his hissy fit out on the Bobcats and Eagles.

Montana is used to being the "class of the Big Sky" They can not stand the fact that other schools are catching up and passing them in their claim to fame, football. O'Day dreads another Big Sky team making a deep run in the playoffs, because that bursts the Griz self-importance.

I hate to point out that he wasn't the lone voting member on the committee.

But he was the chairman, and undoubtably convinced others to seed that way. Without a vocal defender, MSU and EWU didn't stand a fair chance.

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

I hate to point out that he wasn't the lone voting member on the committee.

But he was the chairman, and undoubtably convinced others to seed that way. Without a vocal defender, MSU and EWU didn't stand a fair chance.

Your theories are contrived, at best.

[dbackjon]

But he was the chairman, and undoubtably convinced others to seed that way. Without a vocal defender, MSU and EWU didn't stand a fair chance.

Your theories are contrived, at best.

Where did EWU and Montana St finish in the GPI?

You mean the GPI that O'Day specifically said that they don't look at?

[PenthouseClosedEnd]

Your theories are contrived, at best.

Where did EWU and Montana St finish in the GPI?

You mean the GPI that O'Day specifically said that they don't look at?

Alright, given the fact that the committee wants to do its best to regionalize things ... how would your bracket have looked? Use all the same teams that are in the current bracket.

[Mvemjsunpx]

Wow, I had no idea Jim O'Day was an omnipotent, megalomaniacal dictator that forced other ADs by gunpoint to do his evil bidding.

With crazy conspiracy theories like this, is dbackjon trying to become the Glenn Beck of this forum?

[BlueHen86]

The conspiracy theory notion might be a little bit over the the top, and we can joke about it all we want. But the fact remains that these seedings are questionable. And I have yet to see an intelligent response as to why two teams with two FCS losses (one of them with 3 overall losses) should be seeded higher than 2 teams with only 1 FCS loss each. I'm ready to get over it and enjoy the playoffs, but I'm really interested to know why we were snubbed like this. EWU was definitely deserving of a top 4 seed, IMO.

The seeding is apparently based on the assumption that the CAA is better than the Big Sky. It is a reasonable assumption based on recent playoff history.

There aren't enough regular season Big Sky vs CAA matchups, there probably aren't a lot of common opponents either, so the committee is forced to use past playoff results. It may not be fair, but there really isn't enough information to go on, so you use what you can.

One alternative would be to seed strictly on win loss record. In that case the number 1 seed would be Bethune Cookman and I'm not sure anyone really thinks they are number 1.

If the Big Sky out performs the CAA in the playoffs then they will eventually get the better playoff seeds.

[proasu89]

Why do Big Sky folks act like it's unusual for the bracket to be set up so that conference teams meet in the quarters since regionalization? The SoCon had two teams in the playoffs in '06, '07, and '09 and all of those times both SoCon teams were in the same quarter of the bracket. This year GSU and Wofford are in the same quarter of the bracket as well. And in 2001 Furman, App. State, and Georgia Southern were all in the same half of the bracket.

Also, look at the recent history and how the committee favors the CAA. not saying it's justified or not, but that may have something to do with the CAA teams getting the seeds.

A message board is no place to be throwing facts and historical data around. Get your $#!% straight man People have invested a lot of time in these conspiracy theories

[cats2506]

O'Day is an idiot, but hes not smart enough to actually influence anything even if he is the chair of the the committee

[jd of de]

First the committee got the top 5 team correct and you can make a case for any team to be in a different seed. It is that kind of year. Why don't we let these games play themselves out and leave the conspiracy theories to the guys looking for little green men in Roswell, NM.

[BlackFalkin]

EWU did get screwed bro, their the #1 team in the nation, and ends up the #5 seed playing a team with a bye??? BS ppl talk about the bcs, but the fcs playoffs are imperfect also. There shouldnt be any stadium size, attendance, or previous seasons, or location brought into determining the playoffs & seeding.

Teams should be ranked 1-20, 1-12 have bye. 13-20 play in week 1. 13 vs 20 @13's home. etc.

This would place EWU with home field advantage & they would play the weakest team.

[kalm]

I'm apparently one of the few EWU fans that, while taking a slight issue with the Tribe and UD being seeded ahead of us, am thankful for our bracket. That being said, and straight from O'day and the rule book's mouth, history and $'s don't matter. That is pure and utter bull shit.

UD's ooc is westchester, duquesne, and SDSU.

W&M is VMI, ODU, and UNC

ASU is NCCU, JU, and Florida

EWU is Nevada, CWU, and SUU.

MSU is WSU, Drake, and Ft. Lewis.

No one has a clear advantage so you can all at least acknowledge that a gripe is worthy.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

EWU did get screwed bro, their the #1 team in the nation, and ends up the #5 seed playing a team with a bye??? BS ppl talk about the bcs, but the fcs playoffs are imperfect also. There shouldnt be any stadium size, attendance, or previous seasons, or location brought into determining the playoffs & seeding.

Teams should be ranked 1-20, 1-12 have bye. 13-20 play in week 1. 13 vs 20 @13's home. etc.

This would place EWU with home field advantage & they would play the weakest team.

Which poll are they ranked #1 in? I assume it's TSN which doesn't mean shit to the selection committee because that is not their poll which they keep to themselves. They use their own poll.

I ain't saying theirs is better but it is what they use.

In a perfect world the way you state it should be done is correct. We ain't in that world.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'm apparently one of the few EWU fans that, while taking a slight issue with the Tribe and UD being seeded ahead of us, am thankful for our bracket. That being said, and straight from O'day and the rule book's mouth, history and $'s don't matter. That is pure and utter bull shit.

UD's ooc is westchester, duquesne, and SDSU.

W&M is VMI, ODU, and UNC

ASU is NCCU, JU, and Florida

EWU is Nevada, CWU, and SUU.

MSU is WSU, Drake, and Ft. Lewis.

No one has a clear advantage so you can all at least acknowledge that a gripe is worthy.

Sagarin's final ranking tells a bit of a story though since all teams have completed their seasons in FCS as to who had the better or tougher row to hoe this year. There is an argument but as I said it isn't a strong one to make unless you can put all those floating points out there in your one basket.

Your point on the OOC is solid but the complete resume can not be dismissed and I think we all agree that the CAA is a stronger conference to go through. That certainly doesn't mean that the top 2 teams going from the BSC aren't as good as there top 2 or 3 though.

[appvette]

If you are only going to look at the quantity and quality of loses, then Jacksonville should be the #2 seed since they only lost to the #1 seed. You have to look at loses and wins... EWU didn't beat any playoff teams.

[DBlue]

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There is waaaay too much whining on all these threads. Let's talk about the upcoming games.

Yeah!!! I agree!!! I almost thought I clicked on Panther Nation by mistake.

[SpeedkingATL]

It's that red turf! No one wants to see 3 games played on that awful field.