The (real) reasons why Frisco was chosen

[BlackFalkin]

BTW, what's on my right?

Another man givin you a hand J? Idk & Idc. Point is, the last thing UD made news for was a report about how most men in Delaware must be gay bc how could they sleep with such hideous women.

[Aho Old Guy]

http://www.collegesportingnews.com/entr ... Ch-Changes

Ralph put together a good article here with quotes and info directly from Damani Leech, the NCAA Director of Football and chair of the selection committee.

Looks like some of the rumors we heard may have been off a little even though the results weren't.

"Both finalist bids were very high in quality," he noted. "Chattanooga had a strong track record in providing an excellent experience for the student-athletes, coaches, institutions, and fans. It was all good."

"The Frisco bid was very good too," he continued. "They made a strong case to be chosen and in the end it was a tough decision."

Many onlookers wondered if the corporate sponsors of the stadium in Frisco, Pizza Hut Park, and the Dr. Pepper Arena also in Frisco had any part in the bid. Dallas-based Southwest Airlines was also mentioned frequently.

I think Ralph hit the nail on the head --- without pounding the NCAA (and their 'corporate sponsors') about it.

Placing the game in "Exurbia," Texas, has nothing to do with member institutions and fans. It has everything to do with corporate sponsors, luxury suites, private stadium club and 'special seating', moneyed interests, advertising revenue and a prefabricated 'event' for television. Get used to the 'Pizza Hut Park' logo ---- you will be seeing it a lot.

The bids were different in their approach to the presentation of the game in ways we will discover as they are announced he intimated. But he is confident that a new era in the championship experience has a good chance of materializing.

Oh, gee. Let me guess:

1) A made up 'Festival' (let's just go ahead and call it Festivus) for fans;
2) The obligatory Parade of Champions;
3) A Saylor Twit Concert;
4) The 'stick your hands between a sweaty man's butt cheeks' simulator;
5) The toss a football into a Dr. Pepper Can Contest;
6) A made-up 'Street of Champions' because there is nothing to do (except the 'Texans Credit Union Walk of Fame');
7) A football game between two schools the locals know nothing about (and can much less identify their location on a map) and pretty much could not care less; and
8) A trip to the Mall for the Texas Shopping Experience at the Gap.

[89Hen]

Another man givin you a hand J? Idk & Idc. Point is, the last thing UD made news for was a report about how most men in Delaware must be gay bc how could they sleep with such hideous women.

Wow. So on top of a red field and an inablity to go deep in the playoffs, EWU has fans that have weak smack. What a shame.

[BlackFalkin]

Another man givin you a hand J? Idk & Idc. Point is, the last thing UD made news for was a report about how most men in Delaware must be gay bc how could they sleep with such hideous women.

Wow. So on top of a red field and an inablity to go deep in the playoffs, EWU has fans that have weak smack. What a shame.

I go deep in something that matters in real life. NHM

[89Hen]

I go deep in something that matters in real life.

[Ivytalk]

Up to 155 posts on this thread?? Off-season can't end soon enough for me!

[jd of de]

Up to 155 posts on this thread?? Off-season can't end soon enough for me!

Could not have said it better. Time to hit somebody.

[BDKJMU]

No offense, but those are pretty weak excuses.

Agreed. UD has ~11k season ticket holders and they hold back 2.5k for students. So in a 22k seat stadium, there are 8.5k single seats per game (a minimum since UD's students typically don't even come in those numbers). Single game ticket sales start in early August, and I've never seen a game at UD sold out any earlier than 2 weeks before the game, and most of the times the sell out isn't acheived until maybe 2-3 days before gameday. That gives most people anywhere from 1-4 months in which to purchase tickets. Visiting teams get 500 tickets, and JMU typically returns some portion of this to UD. There is more than ample time, considering the schedules are known 9-10 months in advance, to make plans, purchase the widely available tickets, and get to the game, assuming the fanbase is a decent travelling fanbase. Other schools with supposedly smaller fan bases (Richmond, W&M, UMass among others) come to UD with larger number of fans. Apparently they are able to navigate the overwhelming task of planning a roadtrip more than a day in advance.

WRONG on the 500 ticket requirement. The requirement is 1k.

Also stating that the requirement is 1,000:
"In 2011, when the Monarchs becomes a member of the Colonial Athletic Association for football, they must set aside 1,000 tickets for visiting teams."
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/08/odu-foo ... ter-supply" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The 1,000 set aside for the visitors follows a Colonial Athletic Association rule. Though ODU will not play as a CAA member until 2011, the Monarchs intend to abide by that rule from the start.
http://www.odusports.com/sports/m-footb ... 09aaa.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As far as JMU goes:
about 200 will go to football
about 100 will go to students/SDC members
700 left for Duke Club Members

So even IF JMU returned some of those 1k tickets in the @ UD games in 05' and 07', it couldn't have been very many. UR, W&M, and UMass bringing more than 1k? UR and W&M don't bring 1k to JMU, and UMass, a 5-6 hr drive? Yeah, right

And I don't think UD brought more than 1k to JMU in 04' (which wasn't a sellout). Sure didn't in 06'. 08' looked like a couple hundred.

[BDKJMU]

Going back the last 5 or so seasons:
If you're referring to the JMU @ UD games:
-05' and 07' @ UD, both those games were sellouts on UD's Parent's weekend. Plus in 07' UD had just come off the Navy upset and was ranked #7, JMU was #12. No way JMU is going to be able to get any more than the CAA minimum.
-This past season JMU came into that game 2-5/0-4 (before the 4 games CAA win streak to finish the season 6-5/4-4) so of course JMU was only going to brink a couple hundred fans.

No offense, but those are pretty weak excuses.

See previous post. I'm sure UD has a better avg road attendance, and tops in the CAA. A lot of that is due to:
-UD has a practical home game at Nova every other year
-before HU and NU dropped football, of the 10 CAA teams besides JMU and UD, UD is closer to 8 of them, and only about an hr and a half further to UR (about 3.5 hrs vs 2) and W&M (about 4.5 hrs vs 3).

[kirkblitz]

Where are you flying from? Myrtle Beach to Dallas - 1 connection through Atlanta. Dallas is one of the largest airports in the US.

Heck, just looked it up. American has flights from Myrtle non stop to DFW. He's clueless.

400 bux is quite a jump when i only spend 100 bux when i fly. Dont tell me im clueless about my own airport. hence why i would be making connections and not direct flights. usually its cheaper for me that way from myr, i would know because i LIVE HERE.

[BDKJMU]

Agreed. UD has ~11k season ticket holders and they hold back 2.5k for students. So in a 22k seat stadium, there are 8.5k single seats per game (a minimum since UD's students typically don't even come in those numbers). Single game ticket sales start in early August, and I've never seen a game at UD sold out any earlier than 2 weeks before the game, and most of the times the sell out isn't acheived until maybe 2-3 days before gameday. That gives most people anywhere from 1-4 months in which to purchase tickets. Visiting teams get 500 tickets, and JMU typically returns some portion of this to UD. There is more than ample time, considering the schedules are known 9-10 months in advance, to make plans, purchase the widely available tickets, and get to the game, assuming the fanbase is a decent travelling fanbase. Other schools with supposedly smaller fanbases (Richmond, W&M, UMass among others) come to UD with larger number of fans. Apparently they are able to navigate the overwhelming task of planning a roadtrip more than a day in advance.

Is that really fair in a 22k stadium? Does that include the visitor band? Teams like Montana bring THOUSANDS of fans. Even Eastern brings alot of fans to big games....IDK, maybe the Big (Dck) Sky Conference is just better.

Its not true. See my previous post. In CAA league games league rule is visiting teams get 1,000 tickets.

[BDKJMU]

Is that really fair in a 22k stadium? Does that include the visitor band? Teams like Montana bring THOUSANDS of fans. Even Eastern brings alot of fans to big games....IDK, maybe the Big (Dck) Sky Conference is just better.

The 500 is the "official" allottment. Anyone is allowed to buy the other 8.5k tickets that are available to the general public. As for bands, schools have to buy seats for the band to come - UMass, West Chester, Del St, and Towson regularly buy seats for their bands - afik, JMU is the only one with a credible marching band that doesn't bring their band to UD.

Wrong. 1,000 is the official allottment.

[AppMan]

They can spin it any way they wish, but it's ALL about the money. If you want to know the truth about anything simply follow the money trail and it will lead you right to it.

[89Hen]

UR, W&M, and UMass bringing more than 1k? UR and W&M don't bring 1k to JMU, and UMass, a 5-6 hr drive? Yeah, right

And I don't think UD brought more than 1k to JMU in 04' (which wasn't a sellout). Sure didn't in 06'. 08' looked like a couple hundred.

BDK, you're off on many accounts above. I was at JMU in '04 and there were probably over 2000 Hen fans in attendance. I sat on the JMU side because I bought my tix from JMU and half of the visitor side was in blue and gold. UR brought more than 1k last year (second largest recent visiting crowd next to DSU).

[89Hen]

See previous post. I'm sure UD has a better avg road attendance, and tops in the CAA. A lot of that is due to:
-UD has a practical home game at Nova every other year
-before HU and NU dropped football, of the 10 CAA teams besides JMU and UD, UD is closer to 8 of them, and only about an hr and a half further to UR (about 3.5 hrs vs 2) and W&M (about 4.5 hrs vs 3).

I was comparing UD fans at W&M compared to JMU fans at UD. They are equidistant (JMU actually 30 miles closer).

[AZGrizFan]

See previous post. I'm sure UD has a better avg road attendance, and tops in the CAA. A lot of that is due to:
-UD has a practical home game at Nova every other year
-before HU and NU dropped football, of the 10 CAA teams besides JMU and UD, UD is closer to 8 of them, and only about an hr and a half further to UR (about 3.5 hrs vs 2) and W&M (about 4.5 hrs vs 3).

I was comparing UD fans at W&M compared to JMU fans at UD. They are equidistant (JMU actually 30 miles closer).

Regardless, ain't none of the OTHER schools besides ASU gonna send anybody REGARDLESS of where this game was held.

[89Hen]

Regardless, ain't none of the OTHER schools besides ASU gonna send anybody REGARDLESS of where this game was held.

It's all relative though. UD would bring 6k to Chatty and if I had to wager, 3k to Frisco. GSU would bring 10k to Chatty and 4k to Frisco. Of the past umpteen NC finalists, probably Montana is the only one who would bring more to Frisco.

[AZGrizFan]

Regardless, ain't none of the OTHER schools besides ASU gonna send anybody REGARDLESS of where this game was held.

It's all relative though. UD would bring 6k to Chatty and if I had to wager, 3k to Frisco. GSU would bring 10k to Chatty and 4k to Frisco. Of the past umpteen NC finalists, probably Montana is the only one who would bring more to Frisco.

McNeese would definitely bring more. And EVERYBODY else stays the same or goes up since they'd have to fly regardless...

[89Hen]

McNeese would definitely bring more. And EVERYBODY else stays the same or goes up since they'd have to fly regardless...

Furman, JMU, Richmond...

[AZGrizFan]

McNeese would definitely bring more. And EVERYBODY else stays the same or goes up since they'd have to fly regardless...

Furman, JMU, Richmond...

We ALL know Furman ain't ever gettin' back.

[89Hen]

Furman, JMU, Richmond...

We ALL know Furman ain't ever gettin' back.

And McNeese is???

[jd of de]

Regardless, ain't none of the OTHER schools besides ASU gonna send anybody REGARDLESS of where this game was held.

It's all relative though. UD would bring 6k to Chatty and if I had to wager, 3k to Frisco. GSU would bring 10k to Chatty and 4k to Frisco. Of the past umpteen NC finalists, probably Montana is the only one who would bring more to Frisco.

And I just don't see a huge spike in UM fan travel to the NC either. The extra weeks between semi's & NC will lower airfares but Griz fans only lessened their travel time by a couple of hours tops. Not enough for a huge spike in fans traveling. And some of the airfare savings will go towards increased hotel cost in metro Dallas.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

They can spin it any way they wish, but it's ALL about the money. If you want to know the truth about anything simply follow the money trail and it will lead you right to it.

Of course it is primarily about that AppMan. That's not exactly a revelation. It should be about the money because this championship isn't a money maker. If it's about the money then it would appear to me that this is exactly the right decision.

[AZGrizFan]

We ALL know Furman ain't ever gettin' back.

And McNeese is???

Definitely before Furman.

[AZGrizFan]

It's all relative though. UD would bring 6k to Chatty and if I had to wager, 3k to Frisco. GSU would bring 10k to Chatty and 4k to Frisco. Of the past umpteen NC finalists, probably Montana is the only one who would bring more to Frisco.

And I just don't see a huge spike in UM fan travel to the NC either. The extra weeks between semi's & NC will lower airfares but Griz fans only lessened their travel time by a couple of hours tops. Not enough for a huge spike in fans traveling. And some of the airfare savings will go towards increased hotel cost in metro Dallas.

I'll be there....and that's really all that matters.