KC is Van Helsing

[ChickenMan]

Yes, but will the UD admin do anything about it? Aren't you going to do a renovation/expansion to the Tub? If so wouldn't they want a successful program at the time they are spending a lot of money to redo the field?

I'm afaid that we will be stuck with KC for some time.. he received a 10 yr contract extension after the '07 Chattanooga run and Delaware has no history of sacking coaches.. even poor ones. The Hen's had a recent BB coach that was a total disaster.. but he was allowed to finish his contract despite fans calling for his head. So unless KC completely craps the bed.. I expect that he will be here for awhile and as a result UD will contine to have a few peaks.. followed by more valleys in their football program.

[putter]

Yes, but will the UD admin do anything about it? Aren't you going to do a renovation/expansion to the Tub? If so wouldn't they want a successful program at the time they are spending a lot of money to redo the field?

I'm afaid that we will be stuck with KC for some time.. he received a 10 yr contract extension after the '07 Chattanooga run and Delaware has no history of sacking coaches.. even poor ones. The Hen's had a recent BB coach that was a total disaster.. but he was allowed to finish his contract despite fans calling for his head. So unless KC completely craps the bed.. I expect that he will be here for awhile and as a result UD will contine to have a few peaks.. followed by more valleys in their football program.

Ouch, 8 more years of KC's band of sunshine.....hopefully he gets his poop in a group. UD is too proud a program to live in mediocrity.

[89Hen]

BACK to the subject.


KC is killing the Delaware program - yes or no?

Yes

1983-2001 is 19 years without a trip to the NC. When Tubby left, do you remember the QB situation? What KC did in two years was remarkable. His only downfall is that because of the success of Andy Hall, he became hooked on transfer QB's. He is 2 for 4 on picking them and the book is still out on Devlin, but it looks like he's a keeper. Obviously better than Schoenhoft, 90% sure he's better than Riccio.

That said this doesn't give him a free pass. Last year was a debacle, but with the type of offense he runs, the QB is hugely important. He needs to change some things on offense. I have no idea where this belly option came from and IMO is actually the largest issue this year. There is no running game thanks to it.

[AZGrizFan]

Yes, but will the UD admin do anything about it? Aren't you going to do a renovation/expansion to the Tub? If so wouldn't they want a successful program at the time they are spending a lot of money to redo the field?

I'm afaid that we will be stuck with KC for some time.. he received a 10 yr contract extension after the '07 Chattanooga run and Delaware has no history of sacking coaches.. even poor ones. The Hen's had a recent BB coach that was a total disaster.. but he was allowed to finish his contract despite fans calling for his head. So unless KC completely craps the bed.. I expect that he will be here for awhile and as a result UD will contine to have a few peaks.. followed by more valleys in their football program.

Which, again, was my point in my original response (before 89Hen went off on another BSC/Montana bashing exercise) that 89Hen claims that this is NORMAL for CAA football teams and thinks there's nothing to worry about.

You'll be fine. As long as you're happy with a playoff appearance every 4-5 years.....

[89Hen]

Ouch, 8 more years of KC's band of sunshine.....hopefully he gets his poop in a group. UD is too proud a program to live in mediocrity.

There's the problem putter. It's not mediocrity, it's inconsistency. In the 7 years of KC, the Hens have one NC, one runner up, and one other semifinal appearance. That's three great years. In the 20 years Tubby had in I-AA, he had four great years (semis or better). Do the math and you will see that the Hens were actually a lot more mediocre under Tubby. A lot of Hen fans point to 2007 v 2008 and say how can you go from the National Championship game to 4-8? On gohens, somebody even asked the question if anyone had ever done that before. The answer... In 1982 the Hens went to the NC game (lost to EKU) and in 1983 went 4-7 including a loss to our DII "rival" West Chester. Had there been one more game that year, surely the Hens would have been 4-8.

It's amazing how the old mother fvcking a$$holes at gohens.net have completely lost their minds and don't recall things like that. They don't recall Tubby leaving KC with literally NO quarterback after the 2001 season. They don't recall the mid 80's when we had arguably the best QB in I-AA and made the playoffs once with him. They don't recall how much more mediocre I-AA football was in the 1980's comparted to today making the Hens mediocrity even more unappealing.

[89Hen]

You'll be fine. As long as you're happy with a playoff appearance every 4-5 years.....

You'd do well at gohens.net AZ. WTF are you talking about? The Hens have been to the playoffs 3 times in 7 under Keeler. I guess that's similar to once every 4-5 years.

[AZGrizFan]

Seriously. I'm confused. I thought mediocrity was just an accepted byproduct of being the biggest, baddest conference on the I-AA planet?

My entire world has been turned upside down....

[AZGrizFan]

You'll be fine. As long as you're happy with a playoff appearance every 4-5 years.....

You'd do well at gohens.net AZ. WTF are you talking about? The Hens have been to the playoffs 3 times in 7 under Keeler. I guess that's similar to once every 4-5 years.

I stand corrected. At that rate, the CAA ought to be considering placing a statue of him in front of CAA headquarters.

[89Hen]

BTW, hate to bring up and "if" but a 23 yard field goal is hardly a big "if"... If that kick isn't blocked by Richmond and the Hens are 3-1 with a victory of the defending NC's (and a pretty darn good team)... are we even having this conversation?

[AZGrizFan]

BTW, hate to bring up and "if" but a 23 yard field goal is hardly a big "if"... If that kick isn't blocked by Richmond and the Hens are 3-1 with a victory of the defending NC's (and a pretty darn good team)... are we even having this conversation?

Probably not. But if the current Miami Dolphins kicker doesn't push one wide left against Wofford, Montana fans would have taken so much abuse a couple years ago about not being able to beat a top ranked team at home either...

"You play to win the game!"

There's no such thing as a moral victory.

[BlueHen86]

You'd do well at gohens.net AZ. WTF are you talking about? The Hens have been to the playoffs 3 times in 7 under Keeler. I guess that's similar to once every 4-5 years.

I stand corrected. At that rate, the CAA ought to be considering placing a statue of him in front of CAA headquarters.

That is the plan, but not until after he is coronated.

[AZGrizFan]

I stand corrected. At that rate, the CAA ought to be considering placing a statue of him in front of CAA headquarters.

That is the plan, but not until after he is coronated.

....and, I'm spent.

[BlueHen86]

Ouch, 8 more years of KC's band of sunshine.....hopefully he gets his poop in a group. UD is too proud a program to live in mediocrity.

There's the problem putter. It's not mediocrity, it's inconsistency. In the 7 years of KC, the Hens have one NC, one runner up, and one other semifinal appearance. That's three great years. In the 20 years Tubby had in I-AA, he had four great years (semis or better). Do the math and you will see that the Hens were actually a lot more mediocre under Tubby. A lot of Hen fans point to 2007 v 2008 and say how can you go from the National Championship game to 4-8? On gohens, somebody even asked the question if anyone had ever done that before. The answer... In 1982 the Hens went to the NC game (lost to EKU) and in 1983 went 4-7 including a loss to our DII "rival" West Chester. Had there been one more game that year, surely the Hens would have been 4-8.

It's amazing how the old mother fvcking a$$holes at gohens.net have completely lost their minds and don't recall things like that. They don't recall Tubby leaving KC with literally NO quarterback after the 2001 season. They don't recall the mid 80's when we had arguably the best QB in I-AA and made the playoffs once with him. They don't recall how much more mediocre I-AA football was in the 1980's comparted to today making the Hens mediocrity even more unappealing.

QB has always been an issue at Delaware.

Under Tubby, we always had QB's that ran the wing-T well, but they got banged up as the season went on. It seemed like the Hens never had a healthy QB when the playoffs started.

Keeler likes tranfer QB's, which so far has been hit or miss. I know that taking transfers has hurt the recruiting of HS QB's. My friends nephew chose W&M over UD because he was worried that when it was his turn to start, KC would bring in a transfer.

I'm not ready to pull the plug on KC yet, winning a NC gives him a lot of slack in my book. But I hope we are NC contenders again soon.

[89Hen]

I stand corrected. At that rate, the CAA ought to be considering placing a statue of him in front of CAA headquarters.

Again, you'd do well on gohens.

It's really an all or nothing thing? Either he's the greatest coach to ever walk the Earth or he's awful and must be fired immediately?

[89Hen]

QB has always been an issue at Delaware.

Under Tubby, we always had QB's that ran the wing-T well, but they got banged up as the season went on. It seemed like the Hens never had a healthy QB when the playoffs started.

Keeler likes tranfer QB's, which so far has been hit or miss. I know that taking transfers has hurt the recruiting of HS QB's. My friends nephew chose W&M over UD because he was worried that when it was his turn to start, KC would bring in a transfer.

I'm not ready to pull the plug on KC yet, winning a NC gives him a lot of slack in my book. But I hope we are NC contenders again soon.

I agree with everything you said including the need for him to develop a QB from HS and he needs to be back in the playoffs real soon.

[89Hen]

Which, again, was my point in my original response (before 89Hen went off on another BSC/Montana bashing exercise) that 89Hen claims that this is NORMAL for CAA football teams and thinks there's nothing to worry about.

Hey, you're the one that summoned me.

[ChickenMan]

There's the problem putter. It's not mediocrity, it's inconsistency. In the 7 years of KC, the Hens have one NC, one runner up, and one other semifinal appearance. That's three great years. In the 20 years Tubby had in I-AA, he had four great years (semis or better). Do the math and you will see that the Hens were actually a lot more mediocre under Tubby. A lot of Hen fans point to 2007 v 2008 and say how can you go from the National Championship game to 4-8? On gohens, somebody even asked the question if anyone had ever done that before. The answer... In 1982 the Hens went to the NC game (lost to EKU) and in 1983 went 4-7 including a loss to our DII "rival" West Chester. Had there been one more game that year, surely the Hens would have been 4-8.

It's amazing how the old mother fvcking a$$holes at gohens.net have completely lost their minds and don't recall things like that. They don't recall Tubby leaving KC with literally NO quarterback after the 2001 season. They don't recall the mid 80's when we had arguably the best QB in I-AA and made the playoffs once with him. They don't recall how much more mediocre I-AA football was in the 1980's comparted to today making the Hens mediocrity even more unappealing.

Are you serious??? KC came in and did a great job in his first two years.. but with TUBBY'S players. But since then he has had to recruit his own guys and he has has shown zero ability to build a program. His recruiting and player development failures are the major causes for the four and now very likely a FIFTH.. as in 1,2,3,4,5 subpar season in just EIGHT years. Once again this year Keeler is playing TEN true freshmen.. do you really think the vast majority of them are playing because they are so talented??? Not a chance.. they are playing being KC has not developed nearly enough JR and SR backups.. so once again freshmen are forced on the field to fill KC's holes.

Here's a post from one of those so called assholes on 'gohens' that hits the nail right on the head...

Sure he it the jackpot with Tubby's guys and a couple of great transfers in '03 and again in '07 he won the lottery by getting a NFL 1st round draft pick to QB the team. But when you step back and take a hard look at his body of work, it is unimpressive. Recruiting and player development failures have plaqued his program for years and even in his best seasons KC was always just one play away from disaster as he NEVER had a competent QB backing up Hall or Flacco. That woeful QB trend continues as I type, what happens if Devlin goes down??? The correct answer is the Hens are right back in the '07 soup. KC fills holes, he has NEVER built a program, as a result we will continue to see a successful season followed by a few poor seasons. That may be acceptable to some, but it's not acceptable to me and many other long time UD fans

please tell me where those comments are off base...

[89Hen]

Are you serious??? KC came in and did a great job in his first two years.. but with TUBBY'S players.

I honestly can't decide if I should read your post any further than this. Andy Hall was Tubby guy? Shawn Johnson was Tubby guy? David Boler was a Tubby guy? Tubby left the cupboard bare when he left. You KNOW this, why would you state otherwise?

[89Hen]

for the four and now very likely a FIFTH.. as in 1,2,3,4,5 subpar season in just EIGHT years.

I assume you're talking about 2002, 2005, 2006 and 2008. Odd that you credit the 2003 team to Tubby but charge the 2002 team to KC.

I wish there were message boards around in the 80's.

1983 - 4-7
1985 - 7-4
1987 - 5-6
1988 - 7-5
1989 - 7-4
1990 - 6-5

By my count that's 6 subpar seasons in just EIGHT years under the son of God.

[dbackjon]

I think most teams would take KC's record

[AZGrizFan]

I stand corrected. At that rate, the CAA ought to be considering placing a statue of him in front of CAA headquarters.

Again, you'd do well on gohens.

It's really an all or nothing thing? Either he's the greatest coach to ever walk the Earth or he's awful and must be fired immediately?

I'm saying that, using the logic you've spouted on AGS for years, KC has performed brilliantly. He's gotten the Hens there 3/7 years...and in the big, bad CAA that should be rounds for coronation.

[89Hen]

please tell me where those comments are off base...

1. Tubby left the Hens with NO quarterback. No starter, no backup, literally no quarterback. You really don't recall this? This FORCED Keeler to have to turn to a transfer. As I said before, perhaps it was a mixed blessing that the Hens won the NC with Hall two years later.

2. The Hen fans would have NEVER stood for Keeler taking the time to build a program. Had Keeler not brought in Hall, Johnson, Boller, et al... they would have been 3-9 and 4-7 instead of 6-6 and 15-1 in his first two years. Considering how GOD AWFUL you all are treating him now AFTER GOING TO CHATTANOOGA TWICE, how well would he have been treated in 2004 or 2005 if they still didn't make the playoffs? If you say you would have been patient, you're a liar. If you're not patient after two trips to Chatty, you CERTAINLY would not have been patient without them.

As I said earlier in reply to 86, Keeler DOES need to develop a HS QB and stop the transfer trend. I wish I knew the answer on how to do this.

[AZGrizFan]

Sure he it the jackpot with Tubby's guys and a couple of great transfers in '03 and again in '07 he won the lottery by getting a NFL 1st round draft pick to QB the team. But when you step back and take a hard look at his body of work, it is unimpressive. Recruiting and player development failures have plaqued his program for years and even in his best seasons KC was always just one play away from disaster as he NEVER had a competent QB backing up Hall or Flacco. That woeful QB trend continues as I type, what happens if Devlin goes down??? The correct answer is the Hens are right back in the '07 soup. KC fills holes, he has NEVER built a program, as a result we will continue to see a successful season followed by a few poor seasons. That may be acceptable to some, but it's not acceptable to me and many other long time UD fans

According to 89Hen's logic on AGS, that DEFINES sucess in the CAA. Nice to see other CAA and Hen fans aren't so myopic.

[89Hen]

I'm saying that, using the logic you've spouted on AGS for years, KC has performed brilliantly. He's gotten the Hens there 3/7 years...and in the big, bad CAA that should be rounds for coronation.

As I said, it's not an all or nothing deal. I am happy with the two trips to Chatty and I would NOT trade them for UNH's five straight playoff appearances with no semis. There are Hens fans that would. We just differ on that. Am I thrilled with everything KC has done? Of course not. I think I've made that clear.

It's not the great years, it's the down years that's giving some people fits. I guess what I don't get, is why Hen fans are pissed about 5-6 years but would somehow be OK with 6-5 or 7-4 years. Every September starts with the hope of making the playoffs, but if they don't, who cares if it's by one game or three? Last year was bad at 4-8, but no worse than Tubby (who was coronated by MANY people over the years) going 4-7 after losing the NC the year before.

[putter]

Well 89, you could be a Montana fan where our coach has, mostly, used HS talent that he has developed and has an overall record of 70-16 with 2 trips to Chattanooga and another semi-final appearance. Because he has not won a title there are fans that question his ability to win the big one...go figure.