Best All Time FCS QB

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Dave Dickenson
1,015-1,477 (68.7%)
13,486 yards (13.2 ypc)
116touchdowns
26 interceptions
98.78 efficiency

Armanti Edwards
511-802 (63.7%)
7,101 yards (13.89 ypc)
62touchdowns
26 interceptions
157.12 efficiency
755 rushes
4,361 yards (5.8 yards per carry)
65 touchdowns

Joe Flacco
596-942 (63.2%)
7,057 yards (11.84 ypc)
41 touchdowns
15 interceptions
137.38 efficiency

Neil Lomax
936-1,606 (58.2%)
13,220 yards (14.12 ypc)
106 touchdowns
55 interceptions
80.13 efficiency

Steve McNair
927-1,680 (55.1%)
14,496 yards (15.63 ypc)
119 touchdowns
58 interceptions
72.94 efficiency
375 rushes
2,237 yards (5.4 ypc)
152 touchdowns

Tony Romo
584-941 (62.0%)
8,212 yards (14.06 ypc)
85 touchdowns
36 interceptions
157.52 efficiency

Eric Sanders
714-1,026 (69.8%) (75.2% as a senior on 315 attempts)
9,012 yards (12.62 ypc)
69 touchdowns
23 interceptions
161.08 rating



So I took the list that we have to vote from, added Eric Sanders (I was going to add Rich Gannon as he was the other one that has been widely discussed but I can’t find his college stats), and compiled their stats to match them up head to head.

I would rank the QB’s in the following order

1. Armanti Edwards
2. Tony Romo
3. Steve McNair
4. Eric Sanders
5. Dave Dickenson
6. Joe Flacco (tough to rate as he only had 2 seasons, very well could be higher)
7. Neil Lomax

Dickenson and Lomax had great looking numbers, but were clearly in a pass happy offense, and weren’t efficient at all. Armanti and McNair brought another dimension to the game that made it almost impossible to plan for them. Flacco very well could be higher, but with only 2 years of PT at the FCS level (he threw 4 passes his first year at UD so I don’t really count that). Sanders is by far the most accurate and efficient passer on the list.

I would like to add Rich Gannon and Jayson Foster to the list but I struggled finding stats for them like I wanted too. Granted I didn’t really look for Foster as I don’t believe he threw the ball much and I would have a hard time adding him as a QB.

Playoff stats were not counted in DD's day either I believe so his numbers are truncated in comparison to the others (excepting Lomax & others from back in the day).

[clenz]

The source I got DD's from said playoff stats were included.

If they weren't then I would gladly edit them to include them.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

The source I got DD's from said playoff stats were included.

If they weren't then I would gladly edit them to include them.

Got ya, I don't know if they are in there or not but I know they were not included in his official NCAA stats previously so I assumed they were not in there.

Doesn't matter anyway. some of those guys were so good that they rarely saw time in the fourth quarter anyway so that is something that gets missed in the stats as well. It's a great tool to work on the project though.

[clenz]

The place I got Lomax's stats from also had game by game his senior season (and I don't think playoff stats are in his) and it indicated which games he didn't play in the second half. I think there were 4 games he didn't play in the second half - however he still averaged like 25 pass attempts in those games.

[Appaholic]

Dave Dickenson = 1
Armanti Edwards = 2
Joe Flacco = 0
Neil Lomax = 0
Steve McNair = 0
Tony Romo = 0
Eric Sanders = 0

Based upon the only stat that really counts with regard to the above group, I would rank the QB’s in the following order

1. Armanti Edwards
2. Dave Dickenson
3+. Everyone else

All other stats are meaningless.....you're either 1st or last....

[DJH]

Dave Dickenson = 1
Armanti Edwards = 2
Joe Flacco = 0
Neil Lomax = 0
Steve McNair = 0
Tony Romo = 0
Eric Sanders = 0

Based upon the only stat that really counts with regard to the above group, I would rank the QB’s in the following order

1. Armanti Edwards
2. Dave Dickenson
3+. Everyone else

All other stats are meaningless.....you're either 1st or last....

Oh, and also Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino.

[Appaholic]

Dave Dickenson = 1
Armanti Edwards = 2
Joe Flacco = 0
Neil Lomax = 0
Steve McNair = 0
Tony Romo = 0
Eric Sanders = 0

Based upon the only stat that really counts with regard to the above group, I would rank the QB’s in the following order

1. Armanti Edwards
2. Dave Dickenson
3+. Everyone else

All other stats are meaningless.....you're either 1st or last....

Oh, and also Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino.

I'd rather have Dilfer in a playoff game....

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Oh, and also Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino.

I'd rather have Dilfer in a playoff game....

The playoff records are a pretty good stat. Odd that AE and DD have the same # of losses total as they have NC's. Dave has one, Armanti two, but Armanti has a pretty big number of wins with 9 (I think) and Dave with 6 (I think). I didn't do a bunch of looking and was just doing that part in my head.

The total # of playoff games played in is probably as good stat to bolster them to the top as well.

[UNI88]

Tracy Ham - 2
Dave Dickenson = 1
Armanti Edwards = 2
Joe Flacco = 0
Neil Lomax = 0
Steve McNair = 0
Tony Romo = 0
Eric Sanders = 0

Based upon the only stat that really counts with regard to the above group, I would rank the QB’s in the following order

1. Tracy Ham
2. Armanti Edwards
3. Dave Dickenson
4+. Everyone else

All other stats are meaningless.....you're either 1st or last....

FIFY

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Tracy Ham - 2
Dave Dickenson = 1
Armanti Edwards = 2
Joe Flacco = 0
Neil Lomax = 0
Steve McNair = 0
Tony Romo = 0
Eric Sanders = 0

Based upon the only stat that really counts with regard to the above group, I would rank the QB’s in the following order

1. Tracy Ham
2. Armanti Edwards
3. Dave Dickenson
4+. Everyone else

All other stats are meaningless.....you're either 1st or last....

FIFY

and boom goes the dynamite.

[Skjellyfetti]

I'd rather have Dilfer in a playoff game....

The playoff records are a pretty good stat. Odd that AE and DD have the same # of losses total as they have NC's. Dave has one, Armanti two, but Armanti has a pretty big number of wins with 9 (I think) and Dave with 6 (I think). I didn't do a bunch of looking and was just doing that part in my head.

The total # of playoff games played in is probably as good stat to bolster them to the top as well.

Armanti had 11 playoff wins

[Silenoz]

Oh, and also Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino.

I'd rather have Dilfer in a playoff game....

Dilfer didn't have to overcome an endless string of NFC juggernauts during his career

[Silenoz]

I'd rather have Dilfer in a playoff game....

Dilfer didn't have to overcome an endless string of NFC juggernauts during his career

i.e. the 2000 Giants < the 49ers

[GannonFan]

I'd rather have Dilfer in a playoff game....

Dilfer didn't have to overcome an endless string of NFC juggernauts during his career

Neither did Marino. Hard to say losing once to the 49'ers is an "endless string". Pretty much was just the one time.

[Silenoz]

Dilfer didn't have to overcome an endless string of NFC juggernauts during his career

Neither did Marino. Hard to say losing once to the 49'ers is an "endless string". Pretty much was just the one time.

I meant there aren't many AFC QBs from that era with rings


edit:

[Appaholic]

I'd rather have Dilfer in a playoff game....

Dilfer didn't have to overcome an endless string of NFC juggernauts during his career

Neither did Marino. It wasn't the NFC that kept him out of all but 1 Super Bowl....

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

The playoff records are a pretty good stat. Odd that AE and DD have the same # of losses total as they have NC's. Dave has one, Armanti two, but Armanti has a pretty big number of wins with 9 (I think) and Dave with 6 (I think). I didn't do a bunch of looking and was just doing that part in my head.

The total # of playoff games played in is probably as good stat to bolster them to the top as well.

Armanti had 11 playoff wins

Thanks, even more impressive.

[Appaholic]

FIFY

and boom goes the dynamite.

Why do you think I left Ham off of the initial list?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

and boom goes the dynamite.

Why do you think I left Ham off of the initial list?

stupidity?

[Appaholic]

Why do you think I left Ham off of the initial list?

stupidity?

well....yeah...pretty much...

[UNI88]

and boom goes the dynamite.

Why do you think I left Ham off of the initial list?

Envy of all things Georgia Southern?

[Silenoz]

Dilfer didn't have to overcome an endless string of NFC juggernauts during his career

Neither did Marino. It wasn't the NFC that kept him out of all but 1 Super Bowl....

Forget Marino. I'm saying Dilfer not only had the vaunted Raven D, he had an easier opponent in the championship. So saying something like Dilfer > someone because he got that ring seems silly to me.

[Appaholic]

Neither did Marino. It wasn't the NFC that kept him out of all but 1 Super Bowl....

Forget Marino. I'm saying Dilfer not only had the vaunted Raven D, he had an easier opponent in the championship. So saying something like Dilfer > someone because he got that ring seems silly to me.

I didn't say that, DJH did....I think Marino is a better QB.

But when comparing QB's and all other things being equal (not the case with Marino & Dilfer), the deciding factor should be who got the job done for the team in this team sport....who could rally the entire team to victory as a leader. IMO, leadership is just as an important skill for a QB as passing accuracy once you reach a certain talent level. Jeff George was one of the greatest QB's mechanically, but he'll never be spoken in the same breath as a Favre or Montana because his teammates did not rtrust him as a leader. Ham led his team to 2 titles, Edwards led his team to 2 titles, Williams led his team to 1 title, Dickenson led his team to to 1 title, Landers led his team to 0 titles....all things being equal, I'll take the guy that can lead the team to victory over the guy who can complete 75% of his passes...

[clenz]

Forget Marino. I'm saying Dilfer not only had the vaunted Raven D, he had an easier opponent in the championship. So saying something like Dilfer > someone because he got that ring seems silly to me.

I didn't say that, DJH did....I think Marino is a better QB.

But when comparing QB's and all other things being equal (not the case with Marino & Dilfer), the deciding factor should be who got the job done for the team in this team sport....who could rally the entire team to victory as a leader. IMO, leadership is just as an important skill for a QB as passing accuracy once you reach a certain talent level. Jeff George was one of the greatest QB's mechanically, but he'll never be spoken in the same breath as a Favre or Montana because his teammates did not rtrust him as a leader. Ham led his team to 2 titles, Edwards led his team to 2 titles, Williams led his team to 1 title, Dickenson led his team to to 1 title, Landers led his team to 0 titles....all things being equal, I'll take the guy that can lead the team to victory over the guy who can complete 75% of his passes...

Again, UNI not winning a title while Sanders was there does not make Sanders less of a QB.

Sanders completed 75% of 320 pass attempts - yeah that has never been done before, and likely won't be done again (at least not with a QB averaging 13-14 yards per completion like Sanders did).

I would submit to you that coaching and play calling cost UNI at least one title...maybe two...during Sanders time at UNI.


2005 was not Sanders fault. Say what you want about "another QB would have moved in the pocked to avoid it". The fact is it was a blindside hit that was pretty damn quick after the snap. Without Sanders that year UNI doesn't even get to the title game. outgunned Walter Payton Award winner Erik Meyer of Eastern Washington (11/26) in the first round of the NCAA FCS playoffs as Sanders passed for 330 yards and two touchdowns ... UNI trailed 38-24 with less than 10 minutes to go before Sanders led three scoring drives to clinch the 41-38 victory ... guided the Panthers to a 24-21 victory over No. 1-ranked New Hampshire (12/3) in the I-AA quarterfinals by passing for 185 yards, including a 32-yard touchdown pass to running back David Horne that put UNI up 14-0 early in the second quarter ... continued his heroics in the NCAA semifinals with a 40-37 overtime win at No. 4-ranked Texas State ... he began the game on fire by connecting on his first nine passes for 200 yards and a touchdown ... with 5:01 remaining in the game and the Panthers trailing 37-29, Sanders guided the squad to a 10-play 72-yard touchdown drive ... but still in need of a two-point conversion to tie the game, Sanders rolled right and lofted a pass into the back of the end zone that was snared by Surrency to knot the game at 37-37 with 1:27 left ... he earned I-AA.org All-Star honors and was named the national Offensive Player of the Week by Don Hansen's Football Gazette for his efforts against Texas State ... named preseason second team all-Gateway by I-AA.org, ranked the second-best quarterback in the league


2007 UNI was straight rolling through the season. UD pulls into town in the quaters. UNI RB Corey Lewis makes UD look absolutely terrible for 2 quarters. UD has zero answer for Corey Lewis with Eric Sanders running the play fake off of it. However, in the second quarter UNI ran a bubble screen and the WR fumbled the ball and it was run back for UD TD. That was at a bare minimum 10 point swing in that game. After that the coaching staff stopped calling what worked and started to panic. By the time that the coaches went back to what was working it was too late.

[DJH]

Forget Marino. I'm saying Dilfer not only had the vaunted Raven D, he had an easier opponent in the championship. So saying something like Dilfer > someone because he got that ring seems silly to me.

I didn't say that, DJH did....I think Marino is a better QB.

lol, no I did not.

You said that it is "the only stat that counts".