Montana wants FBS opponents, but...

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

You are incorrect. You are not adding in the boxes, the parking, etc..

There are reports filed after each game that show what the actual expenses are right down to the nitty gritty (i.e. police, ambulance, and every little expense) as well as what is truly made as far as each game goes. With all that taken into account we cleared somewhere around 3/4 million on the Western State game. If I can think of what the report is called I'll share it with ya. Chizzang can back me up on it's existence as he got a look at it himself.

You take great interest in these matters I've noticed and you talk from a point of view of someone that truly has an inside track on the information (at least you come off that way) so if you know somebody in the Athletic Dept. then I'm sure you could ask them about these reports. I assume they fall under public information.

Ursus is right. People always assume university money stops at tickets. That isn't true. Other sources of revenue for the school include, but are not limited too: parking, programs, consessions, advertising during the game, advertising during radio/tv broadcasts, ATM fees, and the list can go on and on.


UNI doesn't charge for parking, but if we did I can promise we break even as a football program.

Our spot for the Motorhome goes about $300-400/year. If you've ever seen UM on a gameday you can see that this is worth a real nice chunk of change as well. You have to pay dues for every SINGLE parking place. That's but a pittance of the revenue streams that UM enjoys due to the football games.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I talked to the athletic dept right before I made my last post.

Tickets from the suites were included in my calculation. The suites are not leased by game; they are leased by the season. It's my understanding that a good chunk of non-ticket revenue per game does not go to the athletic department.

Feel free to show us the supposed game by game report of revenues and expenses.

Come on guys. How can the U possibly net more than it grosses?

Here's a quote from the UM AD in a 3/10/10 Missoulian article:

"This year, the UM football team played one less home game, which was a loss of $500,000, O'Day said."

That says to me that UM nets about $500,0000 for an average (non-Homecoming, non-Bobcat) game.

Because the money is brought in because of football but the revenue is not added to the bottom line of the football revenue. Get it. I don't give a shit that you called and asked the same sources that have been putting out these numbers publicly for years.

The box seats can be easily broken down my man. Take the total amount and just go ahead and divide it by 7. It is still football revenue. How many parking slips at how much per slip do they bring in.

I ain't talking about the phantom accounting of what we make but THE ACTUAL amount that we make on games. You see even if that money is shuffled out of the Ath. Dept. and given to the book store, the phys. plant, or wherever else it goes it is still money that UM makes on the games and if we take an away game all of that money goes away.

As I said you are incorrect. You are not looking at the complete picture.

When I get in touch with...or remember what the actual "Event Report" is called I will be the first to let you know.

[GrizFan5]

[Because the money is brought in because of football but the revenue is not added to the bottom line of the football revenue. Get it. I don't give a **** that you called and asked the same sources that have been putting out these numbers publicly for years.

The box seats can be easily broken down my man. Take the total amount and just go ahead and divide it by 7. It is still football revenue. How many parking slips at how much per slip do they bring in.

I ain't talking about the phantom accounting of what we make but THE ACTUAL amount that we make on games. You see even if that money is shuffled out of the Ath. Dept. and given to the book store, the phys. plant, or wherever else it goes it is still money that UM makes on the games and if we take an away game all of that money goes away.

As I said you are incorrect. You are not looking at the complete picture.

When I get in touch with...or remember what the actual "Event Report" is called I will be the first to let you know.

There is no way that UM netted an extra $250,000 from parking, concessions, etc. from the Western State's game. The primary source of revenue from football games is ticket sales.

Montana had 9 home games last year, not 7. There is no way to know the number of homes games at the start of the season, and no way that 1/9th of suite revenue was put on this mystical per game Event Report you have mentioned.

I'm sorry, son, but you don't know what you're talking about.

[ISUSID]

Inside note....almost always the Athletic Director has the final say on scheduling. They will always talk with the football coach and take their desires into account, but the A.D. is entrusted with the bottom line and the betterment of the entire department, and there are times when that does trump all.

I'll say this...if I'm Montana...I'm not going and playing an FBS school unless I'm getting a huge paycheck for the loss, because I can stay home, play Blind-Man's Tech, draw 26,000, and call it good, and the only way fans aren't happy is if the Griz don't score at least three touchdowns at their end of the field.

Frank (ISUSID)

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Inside note....almost always the Athletic Director has the final say on scheduling. They will always talk with the football coach and take their desires into account, but the A.D. is entrusted with the bottom line and the betterment of the entire department, and there are times when that does trump all.

I'll say this...if I'm Montana...I'm not going and playing an FBS school unless I'm getting a huge paycheck for the loss, because I can stay home, play Blind-Man's Tech, draw 26,000, and call it good, and the only way fans aren't happy is if the Griz don't score at least three touchdowns at their end of the field.

Frank (ISUSID)

That's what I (and many others) have been saying all along.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

[Because the money is brought in because of football but the revenue is not added to the bottom line of the football revenue. Get it. I don't give a **** that you called and asked the same sources that have been putting out these numbers publicly for years.

The box seats can be easily broken down my man. Take the total amount and just go ahead and divide it by 7. It is still football revenue. How many parking slips at how much per slip do they bring in.

I ain't talking about the phantom accounting of what we make but THE ACTUAL amount that we make on games. You see even if that money is shuffled out of the Ath. Dept. and given to the book store, the phys. plant, or wherever else it goes it is still money that UM makes on the games and if we take an away game all of that money goes away.

As I said you are incorrect. You are not looking at the complete picture.

When I get in touch with...or remember what the actual "Event Report" is called I will be the first to let you know.

There is no way that UM netted an extra $250,000 from parking, concessions, etc. from the Western State's game. The primary source of revenue from football games is ticket sales.

Montana had 9 home games last year, not 7. There is no way to know the number of homes games at the start of the season, and no way that 1/9th of suite revenue was put on this mystical per game Event Report you have mentioned.

I'm sorry, son, but you don't know what you're talking about.

No lad, you don't know what you're talking bout. There were actually 6 home games last year that count toward the season tickets and the boxes. The playoff games and that revenue goes to the NCAA. I don't believe that the NCAA let's the box holders in on UM's behalf for free but if I am wrong on that then that point I will concede to you. As far as right now then you can take the total box revenue and divide by six.

[Saint3333]

Let's see your math on that estimate of home game net revenue for App St. That can't possibly be accurate. It's way too high. Were you estimating revenue or net revenue? Any App St fans who know?

That range looks close to what Montana makes for home games, and perhaps a bit on the high side (except for the MSU game). Montana had $4.7 million of football revenue in the '08-'09 fiscal year. App St has $3.3 million of football revenue that fiscal year. According to the Equity in Athletics DOE website.

Griz fans think they are the only FCS program with a good home gate, you might want to travel outside of Montana.

This was a very rough estimate based on 14K-20K fans at $25 (ASU has between 22K-30K for game - take out about 8K for students and comp tickets). Add $55K per game for the 650 club seats at $500 a season ticket and $60K a game the 14 suites which are $25K a year. I don't have the advertising, concessions revenues nor the cost of staff support so these is a gross revenue estimate. BTW you can utilize DOE or other websites as there is no standard for reporting for those familar with reading financial statements.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Let's see your math on that estimate of home game net revenue for App St. That can't possibly be accurate. It's way too high. Were you estimating revenue or net revenue? Any App St fans who know?

That range looks close to what Montana makes for home games, and perhaps a bit on the high side (except for the MSU game). Montana had $4.7 million of football revenue in the '08-'09 fiscal year. App St has $3.3 million of football revenue that fiscal year. According to the Equity in Athletics DOE website.

Griz fans think they are the only FCS program with a good home gate, you might want to travel outside of Montana.

This was a very rough estimate based on 14K-20K fans at $25 (ASU has between 22K-30K for game - take out about 8K for students and comp tickets). Add $55K per game for the 650 club seats at $500 a season ticket and $60K a game the 14 suites which are $25K a year. I don't have the advertising, concessions revenues nor the cost of staff support so these is a gross revenue estimate. BTW you can utilize DOE or other websites as there is no standard for reporting for those familar with reading financial statements.

Indystar did a good job on those a few years back.

In case you hadn't noticed Saint there is a lot of revenue that he isn't even thinking about considering.

Even if he does consider it at some point there is no way it will add up to any total you may have come up with.

In spite of your initial comment there are a few Griz fans that think that other programs do quite well for themselves also.

[GrizFan5]

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I'm sorry, son, but you don't know what you're talking about.

No lad, you don't know what you're talking bout. There were actually 6 home games last year that count toward the season tickets and the boxes. The playoff games and that revenue goes to the NCAA. I don't believe that the NCAA let's the box holders in on UM's behalf for free but if I am wrong on that then that point I will concede to you. As far as right now then you can take the total box revenue and divide by six. [/quote]

Suites are leased for the entire season. There is no additional charge for suites for the playoff games, other than the playoff tickets. Each suite must buy at least 8 playoff tickets. This is the same for season parking passes. No additional charge for playoff games.

It is not true that all playoff game revenues go to the ncaa. After the guarantee/expenses are paid, revenues are split 75-25, with the ncaa getting the 75 (unless the school has done a different split in its bid). You can look this up in the ncaa fcs post-season/playoff handbook. UM makes a modest amount for home playoff games, but nothing like what it does for regular season games.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I'm sorry, son, but you don't know what you're talking about.

No lad, you don't know what you're talking bout. There were actually 6 home games last year that count toward the season tickets and the boxes. The playoff games and that revenue goes to the NCAA. I don't believe that the NCAA let's the box holders in on UM's behalf for free but if I am wrong on that then that point I will concede to you. As far as right now then you can take the total box revenue and divide by six.

Suites are leased for the entire season. There is no additional charge for suites for the playoff games, other than the playoff tickets. Each suite must buy at least 8 playoff tickets. This is the same for season parking passes. No additional charge for playoff games.

It is not true that all playoff game revenues go to the ncaa. After the guarantee/expenses are paid, revenues are split 75-25, with the ncaa getting the 75 (unless the school has done a different split in its bid). You can look this up in the ncaa fcs post-season/playoff handbook. UM makes a modest amount for home playoff games, but nothing like what it does for regular season games.

So you're making my point for me then. The revenue for the suites is for the regular season. They can not use the boxes unless they purchase additional tickets for the playoff games.

We are still dividing total box revenue by six as that is what they are buying when they pay their bill because as you pointed out earlier there is no guarantee that you will have playoff games. If we don't have playoff games none of that money is refunded. You've convinced me that six is the appropriate number for last year.

Last year we got the processing charge above and beyond the ticket price ($25 I believe) that the NCAA set. The full amount of the ticket price went to the NCAA according to a person who is intimately involved in that process. I have long agreed with your final statement that UM makes a very modest amount on playoff games so we'll just have to be in agreement on that point.

[JMU DJ]

Pflu must be reading me & AZ's posts over the last few years.

Or I suppose it could just be he FACTS and some of the other teams fans just don't want to believe it.

That and every FBS team that is willing to play FCS teams within reasonable traveling distance of Missoula sucks, so it makes sense they'd be scared of the Griz. Not only would the FBS team have to deal with getting clowned by a bunch of other FBS teams, they'd have to deal with getting their clocks cleaned by the Griz.... and since we know the griz reign is over, it would be exponentially embarrassing to get beat by a bottom feeder FCS program.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Pflu must be reading me & AZ's posts over the last few years.

Or I suppose it could just be he FACTS and some of the other teams fans just don't want to believe it.

That and every FBS team that is willing to play FCS teams within reasonable traveling distance of Missoula sucks, so it makes sense they'd be scared of the Griz. Not only would the FBS team have to deal with getting clowned by a bunch of other FBS teams, they'd have to deal with getting their clocks cleaned by the Griz.... and since we know the griz reign is over, it would be exponentially embarrassing to get beat by a bottom feeder FCS program.

I hadn't even thought of that angle but you make a great point.

"getting clowned"...love the wording DJ.

Your Urban training is suiting you well.

[Saint3333]

In spite of your initial comment there are a few Griz fans that think that other programs do quite well for themselves also.

Good to hear, I was getting worried about your fanbase .

[JMU DJ]

I hadn't even thought of that angle but you make a great point.

"getting clowned"...love the wording DJ.

Your Urban training is suiting you well.

A friend from Morehouse has been training me. I'm on a strict "106 & Park" regiment.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I hadn't even thought of that angle but you make a great point.

"getting clowned"...love the wording DJ.

Your Urban training is suiting you well.

A friend from Morehouse has been training me. I'm on a strict "106 & Park" regiment.

Gotcha. Hope you don't have to two piece any mafuckers.

[GrizFan5]

[quote="Ursus A. So you're making my point for me then. The revenue for the suites is for the regular season. They can not use the boxes unless they purchase additional tickets for the playoff games.

We are still dividing total box revenue by six as that is what they are buying when they pay their bill because as you pointed out earlier there is no guarantee that you will have playoff games. If we don't have playoff games none of that money is refunded. You've convinced me that six is the appropriate number for last year.

Last year we got the processing charge above and beyond the ticket price ($25 I believe) that the NCAA set. The full amount of the ticket price went to the NCAA according to a person who is intimately involved in that process. I have long agreed with your final statement that UM makes a very modest amount on playoff games so we'll just have to be in agreement on that point. [/quote]

Please tell us that you really aren't this dumb.

A suite is leased for the entire season, which includes regular season and playoff games. Everyone, including including season ticket holders, non-season ticket holders, and suite holders has to buy their playoff tickets. Yes, if only 6 games are played, you would divide by 6. If 9 are played, then you divide by 9. Last season, there were 9 games played. You divide by 9.

No, the full amount of the playoff ticket price didn't and doesn't go to the ncaa. After the guarantee and expenses are paid, the split is 75-25.

Feel free to continue to make a fool of yourself.

[grizzaholic]

[quote="Ursus A. So you're making my point for me then. The revenue for the suites is for the regular season. They can not use the boxes unless they purchase additional tickets for the playoff games.

We are still dividing total box revenue by six as that is what they are buying when they pay their bill because as you pointed out earlier there is no guarantee that you will have playoff games. If we don't have playoff games none of that money is refunded. You've convinced me that six is the appropriate number for last year.

Last year we got the processing charge above and beyond the ticket price ($25 I believe) that the NCAA set. The full amount of the ticket price went to the NCAA according to a person who is intimately involved in that process. I have long agreed with your final statement that UM makes a very modest amount on playoff games so we'll just have to be in agreement on that point.

Please tell us that you really aren't this dumb.

A suite is leased for the entire season, which includes regular season and playoff games. Everyone, including including season ticket holders, non-season ticket holders, and suite holders has to buy their playoff tickets. Yes, if only 6 games are played, you would divide by 6. If 9 are played, then you divide by 9. Last season, there were 9 games played. You divide by 9.

No, the full amount of the playoff ticket price didn't and doesn't go to the ncaa. After the guarantee and expenses are paid, the split is 75-25.

Feel free to continue to make a fool of yourself.[/quote]

Did you fail at math class?

[GrizFan5]

Montana's Program Sales, Concession, Novelty Sales, and Parking for the '08-'09 fiscal YEAR were $146,869, according to the USA Today study. (Feel free to provide any actual figures for similar revenues that may go to university instead of the athletic department, but don't complain about my figures.)

Game Expenses for the YEAR were $990,746, according to the same study.

[tampajag]

I hadn't even thought of that angle but you make a great point.

"getting clowned"...love the wording DJ.

Your Urban training is suiting you well.

A friend from Morehouse has been training me. I'm on a strict "106 & Park" regiment.

I feel sorry for your brain cells.

[89Hen]

I can stay home, play Blind-Man's Tech, draw 26,000, and call it good, and the only way fans aren't happy is if the Griz don't score at least three touchdowns at their end of the field.

Frank (ISUSID)

Not true Frank. There are MANY UD fans that are not happy with the three home OOC games this year because of who they are (Duquesne, West Chester and SDSU)... (I'm in the minority that doesn't mind the opponents).

[89Hen]

Feel free to continue to make a fool of yourself.

I'm on the side of 5 who thinks Montana couldn't possibly have netted over $900,000 on the Western State game.

[grizzaholic]

Feel free to continue to make a fool of yourself.

I'm on the side of 5 who thinks Montana couldn't possibly have netted over $900,000 on the Western State game.

You really are a tool, aren't ya.

[89Hen]

I'm on the side of 5 who thinks Montana couldn't possibly have netted over $900,000 on the Western State game.

You really are a tool, aren't ya.

Nope. Just somebody who can do simple math and listens when your AD says one less home game is a loss of $500,000. Montana has GREAT revenue from home games, there's really no reason to exaggerate it.

[grizzaholic]

You really are a tool, aren't ya.

Nope. Just somebody who can do simple math and listens when your AD says one less home game is a loss of $500,000. Montana has GREAT revenue from home games, there's really no reason to exaggerate it.

Where did I exaggerate it? Where do you get 900k?

[89Hen]

Where do you get 900k?

$700k was the figure. Still high.