The (real) reasons why Frisco was chosen

[SUUTbird]

That is a good point, really only teams from the CAA, Socon and possibly the NEC (if they get an at large berth or if they have the AQ bid yet either way) are the only conferences that are really affected. But hey now they get to deal with what every other conference has had to deal with

[Bearkats94]

I never said we would win. Just that we would show up and stand in the stands.

[McNeese72]

I like this mainly because its more centralized and gives schools out west that get to the championship game a less time to travel and more of a fan base. Texas is also football crazy so i can expect this place to be packed every game

If Texas is so football crazy, why does the first SLC team not show up at #20 in the 2009 NCAA attendance list... http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... NDANCE.pdf

That's like asking where UT-Chattanooga is on the list?????

One thing a lot of people have been ignoring, when it come to attendance, is the fact that the later playing date with more time between the semifinals and the NC game, will make it easier for fans of the two teams in the NC game to make plans to attend. You want have to be scrambling the week of the game to make plans to attend.

Doc

[McNeese72]

Hey that will happen. Did you get the meno Hell just froze over.

Nope, missed that. I was at work when it all happened

But you never know....right?

That happened SuperBowl Sunday when the Saints won the Superbowl. All this snow and cold weather we have been having is just a byproduct of Hell freezing over.

Doc

[BDKJMU]

Don't worry, it probably won't happen. A CAA or SoCon team will bail it out.

Exactly. A CAA team. UD. Other than that, the rest of them don't travel for SHIT.

BS, JMU travels just fine. And getting better and better every year. I'm sure that will be the case with ODU also. In their 1st season they only sold out every home game 19,780. The other 8, and in a couple of years 9 with GA St, yeah, thats probably true.

But do any of the other BSC teams besides Montana travel worth a shit?

[BDKJMU]

"In addition, the Cotton Bowl game will be that same night at 7pm in Arlington." Didn't take UNT fans long to understand.

Except it's not true.

Yep, the Cotton Bowl, in its 70 some year history, is usually on Jan 1, and has never been played after Jan 2. Moving it almost a week later is likely a one time deal.

As far as the NC game next year, it LIKELY WON'T BE ON JAN 7th:
"The next championship game is scheduled for Jan. 7, 2011, the same day that the Cotton Bowl Classic is to be played in prime time on Fox. Burnett said the NCAA told him that if Frisco gets the game, it would work with local officials and ESPN, which televises the game, on the date.

"We don't want to be going head-to-head with the Cotton Bowl in this market," Burnett said."
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/ne ... id=4906728" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So all of you numb nuts can quit repeating how the game is going to be on at the same time as the Cotton Bowl. Ain't gonna happen.

[BDKJMU]

Tis a shame, i've never been to chatty but i've always wanted to go. I have never even heard of frisco becore this debacle, i thought it was short for San Francisco. This is a utter joke and wont do a thing to help attendance, i could have driven to chatty now i have to make like 3 connecting flights to get to this little town.

If they really wanted to do something, they would have moved it somewhere where people could do stuff near the stadium. Orlando would have been nice, disney ftw.

Whenever i go to a sporting even i stay within walking distance of that stadium, it should never be any different. People shouldnt have to drive to the stadium(yes i realize there is 1 hotel near it but really, 1?!?!)


I guess its a good thing i wont have to worry about this till Bennett is gone though

Where are you flying from? Myrtle Beach to Dallas - 1 connection through Atlanta. Dallas is one of the largest airports in the US.

Heck, just looked it up. American has flights from Myrtle non stop to DFW. He's clueless.

[kirkblitz]

Tis a shame, i've never been to chatty but i've always wanted to go. I have never even heard of frisco becore this debacle, i thought it was short for San Francisco. This is a utter joke and wont do a thing to help attendance, i could have driven to chatty now i have to make like 3 connecting flights to get to this little town.

If they really wanted to do something, they would have moved it somewhere where people could do stuff near the stadium. Orlando would have been nice, disney ftw.

Whenever i go to a sporting even i stay within walking distance of that stadium, it should never be any different. People shouldnt have to drive to the stadium(yes i realize there is 1 hotel near it but really, 1?!?!)


I guess its a good thing i wont have to worry about this till Bennett is gone though

Where are you flying from? Myrtle Beach to Dallas - 1 connection through Atlanta. Dallas is one of the largest airports in the US.

i hate going through atlanta in the winter, but you are correct. I just dont like this choice at all. They should have picked somewhere that everything was in walking distance, or somewhere like johnson hagood stadium in charleston, you can take a bike buggy everywhere. I heart charleston

[89Hen]

Exactly. A CAA team. UD. Other than that, the rest of them don't travel for SHIT.

I'm sure the other BSC teams other than Montana wouldn't travel either... too bad we'll never find out.

[89Hen]

I've never been to an NC game. I came close in 2005. If not for the loss I was ready to book my flight, etc. Otherwise, I never would have gone. Now that my husband is retired, it isn't in the cards for me to just up and go on a weeks' notice (since 2007 really) This gives me a chance to go to any, or all, of the next 3 NC games with minor inconvenience. And if/when it is moved again I likely won't be able to manage it.

Pretty tidy summary of why the game should be as close to as much of the I-AA world as possible.

[89Hen]

"In addition, the Cotton Bowl game will be that same night at 7pm in Arlington." Didn't take UNT fans long to understand.

Except it's not true.

Maybe I missed a change of dates in another thread, but I'm not sure what you're talking about...

http://www.kcfw.com/pages/6454940.php?
"Frisco is a suburb located about 30 minutes north of Dallas. It'll host the game for the next three years. Next season's national championship game is scheduled for January 7, 2011."

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id ... -2011-game
"The AT&T Cotton Bowl announced a new four-year contract with FOX Sports that will bring the game into prime time for its 2011 bowl after next season.

The game will be played Jan. 7, 2011, at 8 p.m. ET in the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium in Arlington, Texas."

[89Hen]

2003 > 2007 > seems like this year or next. I'll come to Frisco. I guarantee if the Hens make it, it will be a sellout.

Weren't you the one bashing these claims of " if Team A makes it it will be a sell out GUARANTEED"?

Gee, you're really quick aren't you.

[89Hen]

it will have something to go on other than emotion.

I don't think it's "emotion". My entire position was based on previous NC game attendance, attendance for an NCAA National Championship played in the Hut, attendance of Southland games, participants in previous NC games, etc... I wouldn't exactly call that emotion.

[andy7171]

I really don't see what the big deal is here. I would think it would be easier for me to get to Dallas than Chattanooga if the unthinkable were to occur.

Only reason I thought Chattanooga was a good home for the NC was because it appeared the town really embraced the game. If Frisco wants to support it, who cares?

[89Hen]

the fact that the later playing date with more time between the semifinals and the NC game, will make it easier for fans of the two teams in the NC game to make plans to attend. You want have to be scrambling the week of the game to make plans to attend.

That is a fact that people will have more time. It's also a fact that the date of the game was going to be changed whether the game moved to Frisco or stayed in Chatty. It's also a fact that a VAST majority of people take time off between Christmas and New Years (including all colleges and universities) and most people will just be going back to work and school making a long weekend that much more difficult.

[polsongrizz]

http://www.collegesportingnews.com/entr ... Ch-Changes

Ralph put together a good article here with quotes and info directly from Damani Leech, the NCAA Director of Football and chair of the selection committee.

Looks like some of the rumors we heard may have been off a little even though the results weren't.

"Both finalist bids were very high in quality," he noted. "Chattanooga had a strong track record in providing an excellent experience for the student-athletes, coaches, institutions, and fans. It was all good."

"The Frisco bid was very good too," he continued. "They made a strong case to be chosen and in the end it was a tough decision."

Many onlookers wondered if the corporate sponsors of the stadium in Frisco, Pizza Hut Park, and the Dr. Pepper Arena also in Frisco had any part in the bid. Dallas-based Southwest Airlines was also mentioned frequently.

I don't see the point or problem here, you mean they might have had help from corporate sponsors to help promote the game? OH No...




And BTW fuck ralph

[GannonFan]

Exactly. A CAA team. UD. Other than that, the rest of them don't travel for SHIT.

BS, JMU travels just fine. And getting better and better every year. I'm sure that will be the case with ODU also. In their 1st season they only sold out every home game 19,780. The other 8, and in a couple of years 9 with GA St, yeah, thats probably true.

But do any of the other BSC teams besides Montana travel worth a ****?

Well, inside VA JMU travels well - but they don't seem to travel as well to places out of state (although they did get down to Chatty just fine in '04).

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

it will have something to go on other than emotion.

I don't think it's "emotion". My entire position was based on previous NC game attendance, attendance for an NCAA National Championship played in the Hut, attendance of Southland games, participants in previous NC games, etc... I wouldn't exactly call that emotion.

Would it make you feel better if I called it "feelings"? The point is that it is all conjecture right now and this place has a lot of nit picking going on with why it is a shitty choice. We could probably make a more stable assessment with some practical experience.

[89Hen]

Would it make you feel better if I called it "feelings"? The point is that it is all conjecture right now and this place has a lot of nit picking going on with why it is a shitty choice. We could probably make a more stable assessment with some practical experience.

No, it's not any better... I backed up my position with facts which I clearly outlined above. It's acutally the people who wanted it to move to Frisco are actually the ones using feeling, like: let's see how you east coast people like it, it's about time we got a shot to have it somewhere else, we're tired of the home field advantage, etc...

As for your last comment, that's obvious. Once it's there a couple years, we will be able to make a better assessment. I guess you're proposing to just stop discussion about Frisco until then.

[G&B]

Not all CAA folks.... Flying from New England/New York to Chattanooga is generally a two stops each way proposition. One at most for Dallas. With the Southwest factor (available out of Manchester, NH, Boston and Providence,RI), cheaper too.

It will be way cheaper (Southwest) out of Spokane WA for Griz fans.

[CatMom]

Newark-Dallas nonstop
Philly-Dallas nonstop
Atlanta-Dallas nonstop
Chicago-Dallas nonstop
Cincy-Dallas nonstop
Phoenix-Dallas nonstop
I've travelled all of these

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Would it make you feel better if I called it "feelings"? The point is that it is all conjecture right now and this place has a lot of nit picking going on with why it is a shitty choice. We could probably make a more stable assessment with some practical experience.

No, it's not any better... I backed up my position with facts which I clearly outlined above. It's acutally the people who wanted it to move to Frisco are actually the ones using feeling, like: let's see how you east coast people like it, it's about time we got a shot to have it somewhere else, we're tired of the home field advantage, etc...

As for your last comment, that's obvious. Once it's there a couple years, we will be able to make a better assessment. I guess you're proposing to just stop discussion about Frisco until then.

No, just trying to steer it away from the emotion of the lack of hotels talk and the fact that it won't be attended due to X & Y. There are some fairly weak facts/reasons flying aroung and I'm not saying it's from you in fact I am addressing YOU because you usually give a higher level of discussion and I didn't have the time to check back for a flame war today.

[BDKJMU]

BS, JMU travels just fine. And getting better and better every year. I'm sure that will be the case with ODU also. In their 1st season they only sold out every home game 19,780. The other 8, and in a couple of years 9 with GA St, yeah, thats probably true.

But do any of the other BSC teams besides Montana travel worth a ****?

Well, inside VA JMU travels well - but they don't seem to travel as well to places out of state (although they did get down to Chatty just fine in '04).

Well, at MD last Sept there was a ton of JMU fans. On the MD message board some of the Twerps fans were complaining about the attendance (was 46+k in the 54k stadium) and how come JMU brought so many fans (all the DC/Baltimore area casual fans/alums that would never go to a away game against a I-AA came out of the woodwork for that one. Most I've seen at away game outside of Chatty in 04' and the @ UR games)- was well over 5k. Duke 07' and UNC 08' was a couple k. A lot of casual fan alumni like to come watch JMU play "a real school, a big Div I ACC school, not some little CAA school" that they hear JMU has a chance of beating.

Going back the last 5 or so seasons:
If you're referring to the JMU @ UD games:
-05' and 07' @ UD, both those games were sellouts on UD's Parent's weekend. Plus in 07' UD had just come off the Navy upset and was ranked #7, JMU was #12. No way JMU is going to be able to get any more than the CAA minimum.
-This past season JMU came into that game 2-5/0-4 (before the 4 games CAA win streak to finish the season 6-5/4-4) so of course JMU was only going to brink a couple hundred fans.

@ Nova and @ Towson 06' JMU brought I thought about 2k

@Nova 08' when JMU was #1 and Nova top 10 was a freaking heavy rainstorm. I didn't make @ Towson.

Of course @ the CAA North schools JMU's attendance mostly sucks because of the distance.

[jd of de]

Not all CAA folks.... Flying from New England/New York to Chattanooga is generally a two stops each way proposition. One at most for Dallas. With the Southwest factor (available out of Manchester, NH, Boston and Providence,RI), cheaper too.

It will be way cheaper (Southwest) out of Spokane WA for Griz fans.

If I remember correctly, Delta has N/S service Bozeman to Atlanta, plus a two hour drive to Chatty and you were at the NC game. Now you have to drive 7-8 hrs to Spokane (on I-90 in January no less) to get a "cheap" Southwest flight or fly thru Denver or Chicago or some place else. It doesn't appear this move made it any easier from Griz fans to get to the game. The advance purchase airfare will be nice, but the trip doesn't look easier.

ps. Chatty was at worst a one stop flight from anything east of Denver.. You fly to Nashville or Atlanta and rent a car. The drive was less time than a layover/prop plane to Chatty and a whole lot cheaper.

[BDKJMU]

Except it's not true.

Maybe I missed a change of dates in another thread, but I'm not sure what you're talking about...

http://www.kcfw.com/pages/6454940.php?
"Frisco is a suburb located about 30 minutes north of Dallas. It'll host the game for the next three years. Next season's national championship game is scheduled for January 7, 2011."

http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id ... -2011-game
"The AT&T Cotton Bowl announced a new four-year contract with FOX Sports that will bring the game into prime time for its 2011 bowl after next season.

The game will be played Jan. 7, 2011, at 8 p.m. ET in the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium in Arlington, Texas."

89', did you not read my above post?

Yep, the Cotton Bowl, in its 70 some year history, is usually on Jan 1, and has never been played after Jan 2. Moving it almost a week later is likely a one time deal.

As far as the NC game next year, it LIKELY WON'T BE ON JAN 7th:
"The next championship game is scheduled for Jan. 7, 2011, the same day that the Cotton Bowl Classic is to be played in prime time on Fox. Burnett said the NCAA told him that if Frisco gets the game, it would work with local officials and ESPN, which televises the game, on the date.

"We don't want to be going head-to-head with the Cotton Bowl in this market," Burnett said."
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/ne ... id=4906728" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So all of you numb nuts can quit repeating how the game is going to be on at the same time as the Cotton Bowl. Ain't gonna happen.