Friday Semi - Sam Houston @ NDSU

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Holy **** you BSC fans have "stupid" monopolized...



4-PEAT!!

Says the guy who believes in fairytales.

Oh no, here comes the peanut gallery....

[kalm]

So either you honestly think the deep ball is only a major part of a spread type offense, or you cannot admit when you're wrong.

Man, is there anything up between your ears. You keep adding shit on to what you think I said.

Go read what I said. But it will not matter because all you do is deflect and imply crap.

I'll slow it down again for the mental giant you think you are.....Where did I say that is a "major component". Do I need to highlight what I said again?

Every spread team I have watched the Bison play......HAS USED THE DEEP BALL. The Bison do not. Now if you cannot read my original post then whatever. Keep up the argument.

"The Bison do not run the spread type offense so the deep ball is not a major component of the offense".

Kalm....can you understand that. Pretty simple. Every spread team has thrown deep on the Bison this year. Is it a major component? Maybe, but it has been used by the Bison opponents. Now what else did I say in your mind.....

Oh good lord. You're making Dal look like Stephen Fucking Hawking here:

Your original post which we replied to:

Actually, NDSU has a pretty decent passing game. The Bison do not run the spread type offense so the deep ball is not a major component of the offense.

Roll out passes, screens, TEs catching balls are the elements of the Bison passing game.

It is pretty effective...

Since you've proven yourself to be a simpleton on several occasions I'll help you out. "so" is a conjunction which relates the first statement in your sentence with the second. You also could have used the word therefore.

Now, giving you the benefit of doubt, that may have been a mistake that you are simply not big enough to admit to. You could have said "the Bison do not run the spread type offense AND the deep ball is not a major component of the offense. That makes a bit more sense.

But the way the whole reply reads is that the Bison are not a spread team because they don't throw the deep ball and they run screens, roll out passes, and throw to the TE's.

Pro-set, power rushing teams tend to use the deep ball off of play action. See the Raiders historically, Steelers, etc. That doesn't mean that the West Coast offense doesn't rely on the short passing game as you suggest but so do other types of offenses. EWU which might be considered a "spread" basically runs Dennis Ericksons Pro Single Back and relies heavily on screens, roll outs, and to a lesser extent passes to the TE. Montana has been similar recently. They also both like to run the ball out of 1 or 2 TE sets.

In fact, about the only type of offense that doesn't rely on screens, roll outs, and passes to the TE's is a true triple option team like Cal Poly or Georgia Southern. They suck you in for 20 plays and then try and pop one.

You're obviously confused here and I'm really starting to feel sorry for you. Amend your original statement, admit you're wrong, or keep on digging that hole buddy. It's all entertaining, regardless.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

That is what you are going with? Using the word so.



Yes, the spread teams that the Bison have played use the deep ball. Word used correctly along with my statement.

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I know you'll chime in on this again. Last post from he on this crap.

[kalm]

That is what you are going with? Using the word so.



Yes, the spread teams that the Bison have played use the deep ball. Word used correctly along with my statement.

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Annnnnndddddd…..he keeps digging!

The bolded part is not what you originally said is it?

I'll help you out…again:

Actually, NDSU has a pretty decent passing game. The Bison do not run the spread type offense so the deep ball is not a major component of the offense.

Roll out passes, screens, TEs catching balls are the elements of the Bison passing game.

You can slink away, take a nap, wake up and quietly let the discussion die. You can, in a surprising moment of intellectual honest for you, admit that you're original statement was misleading. Or you can come back on here and provide some more entertainment.

[rkwittem]

I don't post here very often anymore, but I have REALLY enjoyed this thread. Keep it coming guys!

[Mvemjsunpx]

Is Bison Fan really this obtuse? It's like he's reading his own writing & thinking it says something totally different.

[SDHornet]

And I actually thought there would be football talk in this thread.

Ducked into a bar last night and saw the last 1.5 quarters of this game. By that point NDSU was shoving it down SHSU's throat at will. I didn't realize how close of a game it was in the first half.

[JohnStOnge]

The things you guys argue about.

That's a sentence fragment. If I was in Word doing a spell check it'd get flagged.

[kalm]

The things you guys argue about.

That's a sentence fragment. If I was in Word doing a spell check it'd get flagged.

I was arguing about an entire sentence.

[htownbearkat]

I wrote before the game in another thread that North Dakota State was in the interesting position of facing its weakest opponent so far in the playoffs in the semifinals and I think what we saw is consistent with that belief.

Sam Houston State made it kind of interesting for a while by selling out to stop the run since North Dakota State had suffered injuries at the wide receiver position. But in the end it didn't matter. They were totally outclassed.

Sam Houston State was in the semis because it had a good draw in the first two games then played Villanova without its Payton Award winning starting quarterback in the quarterfinals. It was a borderline playoff caliber team that had incredible luck to this point. But tonight the luck ran out even though North Dakota State did have another injury at the wide receiver position so as to allow Sam Houston State to have a better chance of getting away with trying to sell out to stop the run.

So SELA was an easy draw for the first round, really? Did you look at the other teams? San Diego would of been brutal im sure. Since we know you wont pick the Bearkats, who's the favorite to win the 2nd rate SLC? No way the Kats could make the playoffs 5 years in a row could they john?
10 playoff wins in the last 4 years, some may say (not you) that is a trend.

[JohnStOnge]

So SELA was an easy draw for the first round, really? Did you look at the other teams? San Diego would of been brutal im sure. Since we know you wont pick the Bearkats, who's the favorite to win the 2nd rate SLC? No way the Kats could make the playoffs 5 years in a row could they john?
10 playoff wins in the last 4 years, some may say (not you) that is a trend.

I think Sam Houston State did accomplish something significant in winning the conference and making the playoffs after having lost the nucleus of players that went to the 2011 and 2012 title games as well as changing conferences. A lot of the discussion we had early in the season, I think, revolved around Sam Houston State being referenced as a "traditional power" in the subdivision when at that point they'd made the playoffs a grand total of three times in their history and never twice in a row until that one nucleus. And even considering the nucleus they had, at that point gotten the Southland Conference automatic bid twice in 27 years as a member of that league. That's NOT a "traditional I-AA/FCS power" resume. It's just not.

This year they did take another step towards establishing themselves at some point as such if they continue for long enough.

Southeastern Louisiana was a tougher first round draw than the one Montana got but was not nearly as tough, for instance, as the one Stephen F. Austin got. I think that if Sam Houston State would've gotten the first round draw Stephen F. Austin got (at Northern Iowa), Sam Houston State would've been one and done. If they'd have gotten the first round draw Montana State got (South Dakota State), I think, they'd have been one and done. And I think most people who frequent this board agree with me on both counts.

Southeastern Louisiana, for whatever reason, was clearly not in the realm of being a top 10 caliber FCS team this year. They lost to Southeast Missouri State. And they lost worse to Tulane than they did when they had crappy teams.

Then there was Jacksonville State. The OVC hardly ever wins playoff games. Yes, McNeese disgraced itself last year in losing to the Gamecocks for the first time it in its history. But if you draw an OVC team you're getting a good draw. McNeese got a good draw last year and blew it. Sam Houston 'State got a good second round draw this year and did not blow it. That's another set of statements I think most on this board would agree with.

On the McNeese board I wrote before the start of the playoffs that I thought the Southland had a great chance to get a team into the final 8 even though there were no top 10 caliber teams in the league because whoever won between Southeastern Louisiana and Sam Houston State was going to draw an OVC team. I did say it'd end in the quarterfinals because the Southland team would then probably be going to Villanova and I turned out to be wrong about that. But we've been all through how Villanova lost its very dominant quarterback and, again, if someone would've told me ahead of time that Villanova would lose that quarterback it would've impacted what I expected to happen.

[htownbearkat]

Omg. Sela was not an easy draw period. I love your example it wasnt as hard as SFAs draw. Instead of saying it was easier than UNIs draw. Sheesh. Bottom line you are wrong again. The Kats had one of the toughest opening round draws. Listening to you, youd think sam houston is a mediocre team that by a pure miracle has made the semis 3 out of the last 4 years.

[andy7171]

Omg. Sela was not an easy draw period. I love your example it wasnt as hard as SFAs draw. Instead of saying it was easier than UNIs draw. Sheesh. Bottom line you are wrong again. The Kats had one of the toughest opening round draws. Listening to you, youd think sam houston is a mediocre team that by a pure miracle has made the semis 3 out of the last 4 years.

Has any 4 loss team ever gotten a favorable trip to the finals? Should they?

[htownbearkat]

Omg. Sela was not an easy draw period. I love your example it wasnt as hard as SFAs draw. Instead of saying it was easier than UNIs draw. Sheesh. Bottom line you are wrong again. The Kats had one of the toughest opening round draws. Listening to you, youd think sam houston is a mediocre team that by a pure miracle has made the semis 3 out of the last 4 years.

Has any 4 loss team ever gotten a favorable trip to the finals? Should they?

No and no. It should be a hard draw as it was. Thanks for the support.

[JohnStOnge]

The Kats had one of the toughest opening round draws. Listening to you, youd think sam houston is a mediocre team that by a pure miracle has made the semis 3 out of the last 4 years.

I do not think Southeastern Louisiana was one of the toughest opening round draws. I think they were kind of in the middle. Again: Southeastern Louisiana lost to Southeast Missouri State this year and got blown out by Tulane. Southeastern Louisiana did not beat a playoff caliber FCS team during the regular season. Who do you think their best win was? It was probably McNeese playing without the top three backs on its opening season depth chart, without its starting quarterback, and without its top three wide receivers on its opening season depth chart. Either that or Northwestern State.

I think the "miracle" in getting to the semis this year was getting to play Villanova without their starting QB. No, that's not really a miracle. Injuries happen in football. But I don't think any way Sam Houston State beats Villanova with that guy in the game. I suspect most here agree with me too.

I think Sam Houston State was a borderline playoff caliber team this year and that they got a relatively good draw and some good fortune in the tournament that allowed them to get to the semis. If I were a Sam Houston State fan I'd take it. But I think that's what the situation was. I do not think they were a top 10 caliber team.

[kalm]

The Kats had one of the toughest opening round draws. Listening to you, youd think sam houston is a mediocre team that by a pure miracle has made the semis 3 out of the last 4 years.

I do not think Southeastern Louisiana was one of the toughest opening round draws. I think they were kind of in the middle. Again: Southeastern Louisiana lost to Southeast Missouri State this year and got blown out by Tulane. Southeastern Louisiana did not beat a playoff caliber FCS team during the regular season. Who do you think their best win was? It was probably McNeese playing without the top three backs on its opening season depth chart, without its starting quarterback, and without its top three wide receivers on its opening season depth chart. Either that or Northwestern State.

I think the "miracle" in getting to the semis this year was getting to play Villanova without their starting QB. No, that's not really a miracle. Injuries happen in football. But I don't think any way Sam Houston State beats Villanova with that guy in the game. I suspect most here agree with me too.

I think Sam Houston State was a borderline playoff caliber team this year and that they got a relatively good draw and some good fortune in the tournament that allowed them to get to the semis. If I were a Sam Houston State fan I'd take it. But I think that's what the situation was. I do not think they were a top 10 caliber team.

In talent, speed, and size they were. You could see that in the first game of the season.

[JohnStOnge]

In talent, speed, and size they were. You could see that in the first game of the season.

Actually, to me, they had a serious deficiency the first game of the season in that their quarterback could not hit the broad side of a barn when he went downfield. They did look to have real studs at receiver and they were open a lot against Eastern Washington but the QB couldn't hit them. He was MUCH better at hitting them at the end of the year.

But I still do not think they looked to have a top 10 caliber team. I don't think they'd have made the playoffs if they'd been in the MVFC or CAA. In fact in the MVFC I think they'd have probably ended up with a losing record.