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[kuntryboimike]

I didn't think crowds impacted a programs star level, I thought it was the football product...oh well.

Yea, because if crowds are the big thing...SWAC teams are 4, 4.5

How supporters of a team that has never been to the playoffs...or been beyond the first round if they made it...say they are ANYTHING above a 2 is a laugh...or just pure homerism....

or MAYBE its pure homerism to think a team thats stuck in a conference WHICH HAS NEVER HAD AN AUTO BID but goes seasons with winning records such as :
2009: 8-3 1 loss being to WVU 20-33. 13 points? thats a good game for a fcs team.
2008: 10-2 (5-0)
2007: 8-3 (4-0)

and again 2010 is looking great IF liberty pulls out the season every1 expects wecan only wait and see. i explained the probabilites earlier. its real easy to brag about a team going tothe playoffs so many yrs andblah blah blah when the conference gets 1 or more auto bids EVERY yr. think aboutit. i will saythis, the bigsouth is definately gonna be tougher in 2010 then i think it has been in a while if ever. liberty, stony brook are a force to be reckoned with. charleston southern has good potential. AND if a team has aseason of 1-10 in 05, gets a new coach in 06 and gets a 6-5 first season after a 1-10 season, 8-3 '07 season, 10-2 '08 season, and 8-3 '09 season giving WVU a run for there money, imagine wut he can do with another 4 years. well 3 really i guess his contract goes to 2012 now i believe. we'll see wut he decides to do then. but my point is u cant bash a team whose never been to the playoffs when the conference has never had an auto bid and for WUTEVER reason a 10-2 season didnt get them an at large.

[kuntryboimike]

Yea, because if crowds are the big thing...SWAC teams are 4, 4.5

How supporters of a team that has never been to the playoffs...or been beyond the first round if they made it...say they are ANYTHING above a 2 is a laugh...or just pure homerism....

If we were rating our teams using the same formula that the NCAA Football games uses for FBS teams then I would have Grambling, Southern, and Jackson St. all high threes, Prairie View as a solid two and a half, and everyone else either two or one.

and with the fbs teams being considered id give liberty a 2 (maybe 2 and a half)

[clenz]

Yea, because if crowds are the big thing...SWAC teams are 4, 4.5

How supporters of a team that has never been to the playoffs...or been beyond the first round if they made it...say they are ANYTHING above a 2 is a laugh...or just pure homerism....

If we were rating our teams using the same formula that the NCAA Football games uses for FBS teams then I would have Grambling, Southern, and Jackson St. all high threes, Prairie View as a solid two and a half, and everyone else either two or one.

What is the formula

[Silenoz]

Yea, because if crowds are the big thing...SWAC teams are 4, 4.5

How supporters of a team that has never been to the playoffs...or been beyond the first round if they made it...say they are ANYTHING above a 2 is a laugh...or just pure homerism....

or MAYBE its pure homerism to think a team thats stuck in a conference WHICH HAS NEVER HAD AN AUTO BID but goes seasons with winning records such as :
2009: 8-3 1 loss being to WVU 20-33. 13 points? thats a good game for a fcs team.
2008: 10-2 (5-0)
2007: 8-3 (4-0)

and again 2010 is looking great IF liberty pulls out the season every1 expects wecan only wait and see. i explained the probabilites earlier. its real easy to brag about a team going tothe playoffs so many yrs andblah blah blah when the conference gets 1 or more auto bids EVERY yr. think aboutit. i will saythis, the bigsouth is definately gonna be tougher in 2010 then i think it has been in a while if ever. liberty, stony brook are a force to be reckoned with. charleston southern has good potential. AND if a team has aseason of 1-10 in 05, gets a new coach in 06 and gets a 6-5 first season after a 1-10 season, 8-3 '07 season, 10-2 '08 season, and 8-3 '09 season giving WVU a run for there money, imagine wut he can do with another 4 years. well 3 really i guess his contract goes to 2012 now i believe. we'll see wut he decides to do then. but my point is u cant bash a team whose never been to the playoffs when the conference has never had an auto bid and for WUTEVER reason a 10-2 season didnt get them an at large.

A good comparison would be Wake Forest. Years of irrelevance, and then three straight successful seasons from 06-08. I doubt most people would put associate the Demon Deacon program with much prestige. Granted this isn't a completely 1:1 comparison

[JMU DJ]

In that case, I would put JMU around a 4*. We don't have the history that a lot of other 5* programs do, but we've had some recent success, a national championship and produced a few NFL players.

I think recent success might be the only thing that would make JMU a 4*... besides a few NFL players from the 80's (maybe I'm missing some in between), JMU really hasn't done much of anything until the recent decade... they went 2-9 in 2001, the year before my Freshman year. As a whole, I'd probably put us more in the 3* category... but if we are factoring in the plus/minus system I'd edge us to a high 3* or low 4*.

- Doesn't have a consistent record of making the playoffs like other 4-5* programs (i.e. UD, UM, UNI, AppSt, etc)
- Never made it to the playoffs until the 1987 season
- Haven't consistently been a contender in the division/playoffs until the past 6 years.
- Never made it past the second round until the 2000's (2004)

[LUaddict]

Liberty a solid 3 star program with two big south championships and a share of last years confrence title. We average 15,000 fans at our stadium. We have sent several players to the NFL in recent years and had a RB Rashad Jennings drafted to the Jags in the 7th round in 2008 draft.Samkon gado has a decent season with the packers and holds franchise rookie records for most rushing yards and TDs for a rookie. We are in the process of building state of the art 30,000 horeshoe style stadium. We also have a solid, loyal fan base. And were on the rise.

"IF" and notice i am saying IF, liberty pulls out a season like a lot of people are expecting then after thisnext yr id say there a 4 star team. "expectations" being 17,500-18,000 avg attendance per game, POSSIBLE 11-0 season movingon to the playoffs, PROBABLE 10-1 or 9-2 season still moving on to the playoffs beating EITHER Ball State or JMU but ive got my money on Ball State. i dont have a warm and fuzzy about beating jmuthis yr but who knows. all the tougher conference games are at home and we have a more than great chance of winningthe big south out right this yr. and like u said we've got the new stadium rolling in which isgonna be AMAZING. CoachRocco has absolutely done amazing things to liberty football. just amazing.

Yes, all these expectations are great and to see" WHAT IF" hapens we will just see how it all pans out when the season starts how liberty performs. I'm just rating liberty due to recent performance in the recent success of the program and end result and product players that have made it to the next level in the last 5 years. I think that they are a solid three. No more, no less. I did add why we do average in attendance each game and I apologize if you guys thought i was adding that to the equation. I am rating purley on the success the team has had in recent times and soley on their performance as football team. All the WHAT IF'S" on how the season results are going to be saved for treads not on what you rate your program. And yes I know attendance has nothing to do with the programs rating.

[bandl]

In that case, I would put JMU around a 4*. We don't have the history that a lot of other 5* programs do, but we've had some recent success, a national championship and produced a few NFL players.

I think recent success might be the only thing that would make JMU a 4*... besides a few NFL players from the 80's (maybe I'm missing some in between), JMU really hasn't done much of anything until the recent decade... they went 2-9 in 2001, the year before my Freshman year. As a whole, I'd probably put us more in the 3* category... but if we are factoring in the plus/minus system I'd edge us to a high 3* or low 4*.

- Doesn't have a consistent record of making the playoffs like other 4-5* programs (i.e. UD, UM, UNI, AppSt, etc)
- Never made it to the playoffs until the 1987 season
- Haven't consistently been a contender in the division/playoffs until the past 6 years.
- Never made it past the second round until the 2000's (2004)

If I were autistic, I might dispute you or add on more usely facts about JMU's program...but I'm not.

[JMU DJ]

I think recent success might be the only thing that would make JMU a 4*... besides a few NFL players from the 80's (maybe I'm missing some in between), JMU really hasn't done much of anything until the recent decade... they went 2-9 in 2001, the year before my Freshman year. As a whole, I'd probably put us more in the 3* category... but if we are factoring in the plus/minus system I'd edge us to a high 3* or low 4*.

- Doesn't have a consistent record of making the playoffs like other 4-5* programs (i.e. UD, UM, UNI, AppSt, etc)
- Never made it to the playoffs until the 1987 season
- Haven't consistently been a contender in the division/playoffs until the past 6 years.
- Never made it past the second round until the 2000's (2004)

If I were autistic, I might dispute you or add on more usely facts about JMU's program...but I'm not.

If you were, you'd probably have bocce court by now. You're no Kim Peek

[bandl]

If I were autistic, I might dispute you or add on more usely facts about JMU's program...but I'm not.

If you were, you'd probably have bocce court by now. You're no Kim Peek

Do you mean Judge Wapner?

[kuntryboimike]

"IF" and notice i am saying IF, liberty pulls out a season like a lot of people are expecting then after thisnext yr id say there a 4 star team. "expectations" being 17,500-18,000 avg attendance per game, POSSIBLE 11-0 season movingon to the playoffs, PROBABLE 10-1 or 9-2 season still moving on to the playoffs beating EITHER Ball State or JMU but ive got my money on Ball State. i dont have a warm and fuzzy about beating jmuthis yr but who knows. all the tougher conference games are at home and we have a more than great chance of winningthe big south out right this yr. and like u said we've got the new stadium rolling in which isgonna be AMAZING. CoachRocco has absolutely done amazing things to liberty football. just amazing.

Yes, all these expectations are great and to see" WHAT IF" hapens we will just see how it all pans out when the season starts how liberty performs. I'm just rating liberty due to recent performance in the recent success of the program and end result and product players that have made it to the next level in the last 5 years. I think that they are a solid three. No more, no less. I did add why we do average in attendance each game and I apologize if you guys thought i was adding that to the equation. I am rating purley on the success the team has had in recent times and soley on their performance as football team. All the WHAT IF'S" on how the season results are going to be saved for treads not on what you rate your program. And yes I know attendance has nothing to do with the programs rating.

that's why i emphasized the IF and EXPECTATIONS cuz every1 should no by now how IF's sometimes come back to bite you in the but. i agree mostly with what u say just not the attendance (kinda). a team that has 20,000 avg attendance and another team had 1,000 that would really have an affect on the type of players each school got "usually." the caliber of the players on the school with 20,000 will be much better than the school with 1,000 and THAT will affect the teams program rating. thats what im tryin to explain. correct me if im wrong. that just makes since to me.

[DSUrocks07]

If we were rating our teams using the same formula that the NCAA Football games uses for FBS teams then I would have Grambling, Southern, and Jackson St. all high threes, Prairie View as a solid two and a half, and everyone else either two or one.

What is the formula

When you play Dynasty Mode on NCAA Football, your school's prestige is measured from one star to six stars with a combination of factors. This is important in the game for drawing recruits.

(for NCAA Football 09)
Individual School Ratings
-------------------------

Top schools need not worry, all of your ratings for these are great or higher.
Lower schools need to pay attention to the things they have to sell their
prospects. Since you can't talk to a player forever, you really just need to
find his two "Very Highs" and his "Most." Compare those to the ratings of
your school in that area. If you have "Elite" or "Excellent" congrats on the
committed prospect, usually. But if the players interest and your school's
rating have a considerable distance between them, than there is a problem.

Before we go too far, here are the areas of your school:

Academic Prestige
Campus Lifestyle
Coach Experience
Coach Prestige
Conference Prestige
Championship Contender
Athletics Facilities
Fan Base
Pro Factory
Program Stability
Program Tradition
Television Exposure

And here are possible ratings:

Elite
Excellent*
Great
Very Good
Good
Fair
Sub Par
Poor

I would say that the BOLD could be used for this thread.

[kuntryboimike]

What is the formula

When you play Dynasty Mode on NCAA Football, your school's prestige is measured from one star to six stars with a combination of factors. This is important in the game for drawing recruits.

(for NCAA Football 09)
Individual School Ratings
-------------------------

Top schools need not worry, all of your ratings for these are great or higher.
Lower schools need to pay attention to the things they have to sell their
prospects. Since you can't talk to a player forever, you really just need to
find his two "Very Highs" and his "Most." Compare those to the ratings of
your school in that area. If you have "Elite" or "Excellent" congrats on the
committed prospect, usually. But if the players interest and your school's
rating have a considerable distance between them, than there is a problem.

Before we go too far, here are the areas of your school:

Academic Prestige
Campus Lifestyle
Coach Experience
Coach Prestige
Conference Prestige
Championship Contender
Athletics Facilities
Fan Base
Pro Factory
Program Stability
Program Tradition
Television Exposure

And here are possible ratings:

Elite
Excellent*
Great
Very Good
Good
Fair
Sub Par
Poor

I would say that the BOLD could be used for this thread.

Libertys:
Academic Prestige-good i guess? no idea really
Campus Lifestyle-amazing
Coach Experience-great obviously
Coach Prestige-??
Conference Prestige-bleh
Championship Contender-not yet
Athletics Facilities-AMAZING
Fan Base-outstanding
Pro Factory-a few
Program Stability-great
Program Tradition-??? too young to no? lol
Television Exposure-good!...in...lynchburg..

[LUaddict]

Kuntryboimike, I understand that you said "WHAT IF" info but all this info is irrelevant to the rating o the program. It is better kept for other treads that are asking what the future outlook of the season is. IMHO

[kuntryboimike]

i see where ur coming from:)

[Ibanez]

Coastal is a 1. We're 8 years old, we've had some early success but have a long way to go.

[Sapper]

Sorry, but hell no. Although the current state of our program isn't good, historically ISU is higher than a 1 star. We're better than Portland and Sac St, and more on par with NAU and Weber. We have a Conference Championship in the past decade (PSU and SAC have never had one), and we have a National Championship to our credit, which is something most teams don't have (I believe Montana has 2 and MSU 1).

I'm not claiming we're a 4 or 5 star program, but we're at least a 2 star.

That's fair, I wasn't going off of all time ratings alone, I heavily weighed recent years (the last 10 or so). Looking at it again this morning I like uofmman's better than mine, as it is more representative of both recent and more distant history.

I respect your rating but I would rate ISU as a 2 to 2.5 star program only because they have won a title in 81 and a share of the conference in 2002. The other thing that helps the rating is they play in the Big Sky (a tuff conference) and have pretty decent facilities and fan base.

[uofmman1122]

I'd have it more like

5 - Montana
4 - None
3 - MSU (Their title leans them toward 3.5, but they haven't been consistent enough lately), EWU, maybe WSU....I'd give them a 2.5...
2 - Idaho State (They've won a title, and used to be pretty damn good, despite their abysmal showing lately), Portland State (I'd more give PSU a 1.5)
1 - Sac and UNC

No NAU?

Balls, I knew I forgot someone.

I'd put NAU around 2.5 - 3. About the same as WSU.

[youngterrier]

I know Wofford is small. Its not a shot at the quality of the people. But, this isn't a pound for pound discussion.

so what did you mean by "particularly poor fanbase?"

If it wasn't a shot at the people, what was it? a shot at how MANY people? the number of fans a fanbase has does not make a good or bad fanbase.

You clearly didn't know Wofford was small because your 2 posts seem to contradict logic and yourself.

For that matter, if Wofford's fans are so bad that means Furman's and Samford's are HORRIBLE (and I don't want to single y'all out) because in a lot of instances we have shown more passion as a fanbase than they have. (for instance I hear that Furman doesn't get as many fans to the stadium on gameday as they used to. and in '08 when we played Samford we had roughly the same amount of fans there as they did--I know they're smaller but their in Ala-freaking-Bama...not to mention our attendance was roughly the same despite being 3-8)


...anyway back to the thread, I would give us 3.5 stars all time, with 3 stars currently. After '08 I would have put at 4 stars

Coach Experience--Elite
Coach Prestige--Elite
conference prestige--Very Good
Championship contender--Great
Athletic facilities--Elite
Fanbase--good
Pro Factory--average
Program stability--Great
Program Tradition--Very Good
Television exposure--Good

[clenz]

When you play Dynasty Mode on NCAA Football, your school's prestige is measured from one star to six stars with a combination of factors. This is important in the game for drawing recruits.
I would say that the BOLD could be used for this thread.

I know all about NCAA 10, I play it non stop.


I guess this would be a good way to rate a school... I'll take a shot at UNI. I'll do it they way they do with letter grades.



Academic Prestige - A-
Campus Lifestyle - B-
Coach Experience - A-
Coach Prestige - A-
Conference Prestige - A
Championship Contender - A
Athletics Facilities - A-
Fan Base - B-
Pro Factory - B
Program Stability - B+
Program Tradition - A
Television Exposure - C+


UNI has great academics, especially when it comes to business and teaching programs.

I love UNI's campus and a some good college bars right off campus, but outside of students it is a more middle age community and a slow pace of life.

With the conference prestige maybe I'm overestimating the MVCF perception nationally

People knock the dome all the time, but our weight room, locker room, WRC/Human Performnce Center is second to none. The guys that built our weight rooms said it is the nicest one they have done with the exception of the Florida Gators.

Our fan base is extremely small, and really is limited to alumni...more so alumni is the Cedar Valley. We fight a losing battle with Iowa. People would rather support Iowa, even during a bad year, than a good UNI team. We signed a contract with Leirfield sports to get us on TV more, which has happened..but still needs to be better which can help build our fan base.


I give UNI a 4.5* rating. If we get a title we would be a 5* program without question.

[FargoBison]

NDSU(Keep in mind this is only relative to other FCS teams)

Academic Prestige - A
-Solid overall, with some great programs(Engineering, Architecture, Pharmacy)

Campus Lifestyle - B+
-Nice campus, a fair amount of things to do, cold winter is a negative.

Coach Experience - A
-Bohl has been at NDSU for 7 years and was an assistant at multiple BCS programs before that.

Coach Prestige - B
-52-25 at NDSU, DC at Duke and Nebraska, needs to do more in playoffs.

Conference Prestige - A

Championship Contender - B
-A few rough years but NDSU was at that level in 2006-2007

Athletics Facilities - A+
-Don't get much better at the FCS level.

Fan Base - A+
-Top 10 in attendance annually, travels well, lots of diehards.

Pro Factory - B+
-NDSU has sent a long list of players into pros, not too many impact players or high draft picks though.

Program Stability - B+
-2 coaches in 14 years, both with tenures of at least 7 years, definitely stable at the top but a few too many assistants have been coming and going in recent years.

Program Tradition - A
-Lots of tradition, not a ton at the FCS level, but success is success.

Television Exposure - B
-Some statewide TV games, maybe one regional game a year, at best 7 games are on TV.

I guess that would put us at around a 4. We are 44-22 at the FCS level, so I guess I'll stick with it, even though we were terrible last year.

[SUUTbird]

I have to be honest looking over this whole topic it would appear that every team in the FCS is a three star or better and some of the posts are kind of ridiculous

Anyways if id have to say anything about SUU it would be that before Ed Lamb came to be our head coach we were a 0 star program. But now since he is here i would rank us either a three or a two star program as we have improved drastically these past 2 seasons.

[49RFootballNow]

A+

We're undefeated since 1948 and I'm willing to bet we won't lose a game for at least the next 3 years!

[clenz]

I have to be honest looking over this whole topic it would appear that every team in the FCS is a three star or better and some of the posts are kind of ridiculous

Agreed. I had no idea the FCS was full of so many great programs.


I'm still laughing at NDSU being a 4* FCS program....

[FargoBison]

I have to be honest looking over this whole topic it would appear that every team in the FCS is a three star or better and some of the posts are kind of ridiculous

Agreed. I had no idea the FCS was full of so many great programs.


I'm still laughing at NDSU being a 4* FCS program....

Going on the past five years...

MVC...
SIU(50-15)- 5*
UNI(49-16)-5*
NDSU(36-19)- 4*
SDSU(35-22)- 4*
YSU(36-23)- 4*
Ill State(29-28)- 3*
MSU(22-32)- 2.5*
WIU(23-32)-2.5*
Ind State(2-54)- .5*

[SpiderFan5]

All-time, the Fightin' Blue Hens get about as solid a 5 as you can get.

There aren't many FCS programs with a resume like this:

639-412-44, 118 seasons, 4 head coaches in a row with national championships, previous three were all inductees into the College Football Hall of Fame, 20,000+ crowds for five decades or so

completely agree
i say UR is prob a 3 star program
3 straight good years but nothing before that