CCU's move to Sun Belt hitting funding snag

[clenz]

I'm not in the CCU is dumb for doing this camp. I'm not in the they are going to fail camp. I am firmly in the "Holy shit this is really rushed and doesn't seem to be real well thought out and planed" camp.

This is really a shoot first, second, third, and fourth and then ask for forgiveness and permission later type deal

We're trying. we've got some famous alum. Michael Kelly, who plays Doug Stamper on House of Cards, has sent the message out to support CCU. I hope he donates. He drops CCUs name occasionally. Mike Tolbert, Josh Norman, Dustin Johnson, etc... they've got some weight and maybe they can help get us there.

Maybe. Hopefully. I'd hate to see CCU end up like the FAMU situation of a decade ago.

I know you're on the CCU side, and I can empathize with fighting for state money. UNI fights that battle every year. However, you have to see where the state is looking at it from and look at the very points that that e-mail points out. It's an extremely young school. It has a very small alumni base. It has a very small fan base. I'm assuming it has a very small donor base - only 1.1 million dollars donated during the 14-15 academic fiscal year.

Over 83% of the athletic budget is already subsidized - over $21.5m of the 25m budget. That's the 21st most subsidized program in the nation by %. The 20 schools worse at funding their AD than CCU, by % - NJIT, UC-Riverside, Chicago State, CCSU, UC-Northridge, Radford, UVU, UT-Rio Grand Valley, Longwood, UM-BC, Northern Kentucky, IUPUI, Morgan State, Kennesaw State (prefootball still), Morehead State, Deleware State, Norfolk State, UM-Kansas City, Maryland-Eastern Shore, TAMU-CC, CCU, Winthrop, UNC-Greensboro. That's not a good group to be with.

CCU's subsidy total, and %, isn't going to get better by adding 44 more scholarships, you know FCOA is also going to happen at the FBS level, and funding a stadium.

You can blame this on an overreaction to what happened with SCSU. That may be true to an extent. As an outsider looking in though I can completely understand where the CHE is coming from.

[clenz]

Meanwhile, not that it's the same situation, a high school in Texas is building a $63M stadium. Jesus!!

They also draw twice, or three times, what CCU does for a game....

[Ibanez]

Meanwhile, not that it's the same situation, a high school in Texas is building a $63M stadium. Jesus!!

They also draw twice, or three times, what CCU does for a game....

I don't doubt that. It's just comical.

[Ibanez]

We're trying. we've got some famous alum. Michael Kelly, who plays Doug Stamper on House of Cards, has sent the message out to support CCU. I hope he donates. He drops CCUs name occasionally. Mike Tolbert, Josh Norman, Dustin Johnson, etc... they've got some weight and maybe they can help get us there.

Maybe. Hopefully. I'd hate to see CCU end up like the FAMU situation of a decade ago.

I know you're on the CCU side, and I can empathize with fighting for state money. UNI fights that battle every year. However, you have to see where the state is looking at it from and look at the very points that that e-mail points out. It's an extremely young school. It has a very small alumni base. It has a very small fan base. I'm assuming it has a very small donor base - only 1.1 million dollars donated during the 14-15 academic fiscal year.

Over 83% of the athletic budget is already subsidized - over $21.5m of the 25m budget. That's the 21st most subsidized program in the nation by %. The 20 schools worse at funding their AD than CCU, by % - NJIT, UC-Riverside, Chicago State, CCSU, UC-Northridge, Radford, UVU, UT-Rio Grand Valley, Longwood, UM-BC, Northern Kentucky, IUPUI, Morgan State, Kennesaw State (prefootball still), Morehead State, Deleware State, Norfolk State, UM-Kansas City, Maryland-Eastern Shore, TAMU-CC, CCU, Winthrop, UNC-Greensboro. That's not a good group to be with.

CCU's subsidy total, and %, isn't going to get better by adding 44 more scholarships, you know FCOA is also going to happen at the FBS level, and funding a stadium.

You can blame this on an overreaction to what happened with SCSU. That may be true to an extent. As an outsider looking in though I can completely understand where the CHE is coming from.

I get their position. But if the past is any indication, CCU shouldn't be having these issues. I know that size stadium will be tough to fill.

[SDHornet]

I'm not in the CCU is dumb for doing this camp. I'm not in the they are going to fail camp. I am firmly in the "Holy shit this is really rushed and doesn't seem to be real well thought out and planed" camp.

This is really a shoot first, second, third, and fourth and then ask for forgiveness and permission later type deal

This, but take another step back. It's really in more of a "what the hell was the SBC thinking in voting these unprepared fools in?" kind of thought.

[Ibanez]

I'm not in the CCU is dumb for doing this camp. I'm not in the they are going to fail camp. I am firmly in the "Holy shit this is really rushed and doesn't seem to be real well thought out and planed" camp.

This is really a shoot first, second, third, and fourth and then ask for forgiveness and permission later type deal

This, but take another step back. It's really in more of a "what the hell was the SBC thinking in voting these unprepared fools in?" kind of thought.

I agree. In fact, go back and look at the threads last year and you'll see me saying that CCU is not ready for the transition.

[SDHornet]

This, but take another step back. It's really in more of a "what the hell was the SBC thinking in voting these unprepared fools in?" kind of thought.

I agree. In fact, go back and look at the threads last year and you'll see me saying that CCU is not ready for the transition.

Yeah, wasn't meant to smack CCU...and nor is this statement:

This just goes to show how big of a joke the SBC is.

[Ibanez]

I agree. In fact, go back and look at the threads last year and you'll see me saying that CCU is not ready for the transition.

Yeah, wasn't meant to smack CCU...and nor is this statement:

This just goes to show how big of a joke the SBC is.

I support my school but i'll always be critical of two things:

1) the rush to move to FBS
2) our stupid, ridiculous mascot

[SDHornet]

Yeah, wasn't meant to smack CCU...and nor is this statement:

This just goes to show how big of a joke the SBC is.

I support my school but i'll always be critical of two things:

1) the rush to move to FBS
2) our stupid, ridiculous mascot

So is CCU's invite dependent on the stadium expansion?

[clenz]

I'm not in the CCU is dumb for doing this camp. I'm not in the they are going to fail camp. I am firmly in the "Holy shit this is really rushed and doesn't seem to be real well thought out and planed" camp.

This is really a shoot first, second, third, and fourth and then ask for forgiveness and permission later type deal

This, but take another step back. It's really in more of a "what the hell was the SBC thinking in voting these unprepared fools in?" kind of thought.

Oh, for sure.

James Madison, Liberty, and Missouri State would all have been much more prepared. I don't think JMU takes the SBC offer. Liberty probably does and Missouri State says yes before they finish the question.

SBC got in a hurry to add an eastern term to counteract the bad taste of Idaho and NMSU.

Meanwhile here's Missouri State's facilities already built - on top of what we know JMU and Liberty built

Plaster Sports Complex - 17,500 current capacity. Pretty easily able to add should it be required at any point




JQH Arena - 11k capacity



Hammons Field

[SDHornet]

Wow that is a nice baseball field. Is it theirs or are they using a local minor league team?

[93henfan]

Baseball groundskeeper likes hallucinogens I see.

[clenz]

Wow that is a nice baseball field. Is it theirs or are they using a local minor league team?

It's owned by John Q. Hammons Industries...notice the name of Missouri State's basketball aren is JQH Arena? The MiLB affiliate of the Cards uses it was well but MSU considered every bit the "owner" that the MiLB team is.

[clenz]

John Q Hammons graduated from Southwest Missouri State - or what is now known as Missouri State in 1939. He had a net worth of well over 1 billion at the time of his death in 2013. This family trust/business now runs/owns all of Springfield and MSU.

The Juanita K. Hammons Performing Arts Center on Missouri State's campus is named after his wife

[Ibanez]

I support my school but i'll always be critical of two things:

1) the rush to move to FBS
2) our stupid, ridiculous mascot

So is CCU's invite dependent on the stadium expansion?

Eh. It is dependent on CCU reaching the minimum number in attendance (15,000) over a two year average, but not on a stadium itself. Right now we have a capacity of 9,214. So...it's yes and no.

[JohnStOnge]

I would applaud the State of South Carolina if it stops Coastal Carolina from attempting to compete in the same level as, say, University of South Carolina. That's ridiculous. It'd be cool to see a State act responsibly when it comes to schools that don't belong in the top level of college football attempting to compete there.

[Baldy]

I would applaud the State of South Carolina if it stops Coastal Carolina from attempting to compete in the same level as, say, University of South Carolina. That's ridiculous. It'd be cool to see a State act responsibly when it comes to schools that don't belong in the top level of college football attempting to compete there.

Spoken like a true libertarian.

[DSUrocks07]

I would applaud the State of South Carolina if it stops Coastal Carolina from attempting to compete in the same level as, say, University of South Carolina. That's ridiculous. It'd be cool to see a State act responsibly when it comes to schools that don't belong in the top level of college football attempting to compete there.

Spoken like a true libertarian.

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[Ibanez]

Instead, Coastal Carolina ultimately found a way around the CHE, with the provisos – and the votes to override Haley’s vetoes of them – allowing the school to move straight ahead to the next step in the process, which is to seek approval from the state’s Joint Bond Review Committee.

While nothing is guaranteed yet, university leaders are confident they will receive approval from the JBRC and then the State Fiscal Accountability Authority to possibly advance the project to the stage of bidding out a contractor by the end of the summer.

Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports ... rylink=cpy

The first proviso was to allow Coastal Carolina to bypass the CHE and take its engineering study along with the total cost of the project straight to the JBRC for approval. And because it was attached to an appropriations bill, it had to include some nominal level of funding to withstand a possible state Supreme Court challenge by the CHE, thus the second proviso involved $100,000 the school would repay, Henderson said.

The override of Haley’s veto 26 and veto 27, as they were identified, passed 96-12 and 77-16 in the House, respectively, and more narrowly in the senate – giving Coastal Carolina the support it needed by one vote.

[Baldy]

Instead, Coastal Carolina ultimately found a way around the CHE, with the provisos – and the votes to override Haley’s vetoes of them – allowing the school to move straight ahead to the next step in the process, which is to seek approval from the state’s Joint Bond Review Committee.

While nothing is guaranteed yet, university leaders are confident they will receive approval from the JBRC and then the State Fiscal Accountability Authority to possibly advance the project to the stage of bidding out a contractor by the end of the summer.

Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/sports ... rylink=cpy

The first proviso was to allow Coastal Carolina to bypass the CHE and take its engineering study along with the total cost of the project straight to the JBRC for approval. And because it was attached to an appropriations bill, it had to include some nominal level of funding to withstand a possible state Supreme Court challenge by the CHE, thus the second proviso involved $100,000 the school would repay, Henderson said.

The override of Haley’s veto 26 and veto 27, as they were identified, passed 96-12 and 77-16 in the House, respectively, and more narrowly in the senate – giving Coastal Carolina the support it needed by one vote.

[JohnStOnge]

I would applaud the State of South Carolina if it stops Coastal Carolina from attempting to compete in the same level as, say, University of South Carolina. That's ridiculous. It'd be cool to see a State act responsibly when it comes to schools that don't belong in the top level of college football attempting to compete there.

Spoken like a true libertarian.

It's the taxpayers' money. If they could show that they're not going to lose more State money when they do it that'd be fine. But in the overwhelming majority of instances that's not what happens. At the very lease the State ought to say it's not going to give the school any more money...that if the school has to kick in a bigger subsidy for their athletic department (and they almost certainly will) it's up to them to find a way to fund that without an increase in State funds.

Actually I think a Liberatarian case can be made for saying "no taxpayer funds for athletics." I don't want that because I like college football. But one could argue that it's spending on something that isn't essential to the mission of a university and State governments should be better stewards as in don't throw taxpayer dollars at a money losing proposition that doesn't contribute to what the mission of a university is.

[Baldy]

Spoken like a true libertarian.

It's the taxpayers' money. If they could show that they're not going to lose more State money when they do it that'd be fine. But in the overwhelming majority of instances that's not what happens. At the very lease the State ought to say it's not going to give the school any more money...that if the school has to kick in a bigger subsidy for their athletic department (and they almost certainly will) it's up to them to find a way to fund that without an increase in State funds.

Actually I think a Liberatarian case can be made for saying "no taxpayer funds for athletics." I don't want that because I like college football. But one could argue that it's spending on something that isn't essential to the mission of a university and State governments should be better stewards as in don't throw taxpayer dollars at a money losing proposition that doesn't contribute to what the mission of a university is.

One could argue, but that person would be wrong.

In the 80+ years before football, Georgia Southern was just another regional state commuter college with <5000 students. Now it's a Carnegie Doctoral Research University with >20000 students. That would have NEVER happened without football. I'll be the one to say that adding football, and the "costs" associated with it, has been worth every single penny.

[JohnStOnge]

It's the taxpayers' money. If they could show that they're not going to lose more State money when they do it that'd be fine. But in the overwhelming majority of instances that's not what happens. At the very lease the State ought to say it's not going to give the school any more money...that if the school has to kick in a bigger subsidy for their athletic department (and they almost certainly will) it's up to them to find a way to fund that without an increase in State funds.

Actually I think a Liberatarian case can be made for saying "no taxpayer funds for athletics." I don't want that because I like college football. But one could argue that it's spending on something that isn't essential to the mission of a university and State governments should be better stewards as in don't throw taxpayer dollars at a money losing proposition that doesn't contribute to what the mission of a university is.

One could argue, but that person would be wrong.

In the 80+ years before football, Georgia Southern was just another regional state commuter college with <5000 students. Now it's a Carnegie Doctoral Research University with >20000 students. That would have NEVER happened without football. I'll be the one to say that adding football, and the "costs" associated with it, has been worth every single penny.

It's been worth every penny for Georgia Southern. What I'm talking about is whether or not it's necessary to provide what's needed to provide the people of the State with educational opportunities. Especially at reasonable cost. Suppose the State decided that it was just going to focus on providing educational opportunities? Suppose it said that if any particular university wants to have athletics that's fine but it's not going to get involved in that?

I don't think it's a given that the State and its people wouldn't come out better off just in terms of bang for their buck while providing educational opportunities.

[MSUDuo]

James Madison, Liberty, and Missouri State would all have been much more prepared. I don't think JMU takes the SBC offer. Liberty probably does and Missouri State says yes before they finish the question.

No, I am not sure we do. Even with all the rumors floating, or not floating, around about Wichita State, I am pretty sure we would stick with the Valley. Even if invited.

Money is an issue here too. Currently, we are looking at a $1.1 million deficit with really no way to make it up right now. Football is in the toilet, even more so. Men's basketball is in the toilet. Women's basketball is making its comeback but it won't even reach the levels it was at in the early '00s.

It's sad really. Missouri's 2nd largest University, and at a time where Mizzou is being hit the hardest it ever has been, and we can't do jack crap to capitalize on it.

Ironically, or perhaps not, is that Mizzou is expecting at least a $36 million decline in revenue but the State Legislature just approved a $9 million increase to their funding. MO State? We can't really get a dime more. Again, Missouri's 2nd largest U and we receive the least amount of funding per student out of all the public universities, I believe.

[Ibanez]

SC State Fiscal Accountability Authority is meeting right now. One of 2 things will happen:
A) We get approval and move forward. I think we may have the votes. Haley isn't a big fan but maybe after our NC and taking into account past improvements and their success, we may by good to go.

Or

B) We get denied and have to do some serious work.