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Cronkite's Bloody Legacy

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Glad to see someone didn't forget about this.

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Walter Cronkite Has Blood on His Hands

July 19, 2009
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On February 27, 1968, Walter Cronkite delivered his verdict on the (ongoing) war in Vietnam. The most trusted man in America pronounced that it was "...more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam War is to end in a stalemate."

Stalemate....

The Tet Offensive, which battle prompted Cronkite's televised towel throwing, was a decisive American victory -- of the more than 80,000 Communist troops who poured south on the Vietnamese New Year, American and allied South Vietnamese soldiers would kill or capture more than 58,000, while suffering a combined, and comparatively light, 9,000 casualties.

Tet was in fact a disaster for the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong. Not only was the invasion repulsed by American forces - who fought valiantly and fiercely in spite of being taken by surprise -- but the uprising in the south upon which the Communists had gambled never happened.

From this, Cronkite conjured his "stalemate." But he was not done with his shameful propaganda, continuing,

"...it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could."

Not as victors...thus Cronkite convinced America the war was already over and lost, while our men, our soldiers, our sons and fathers, were fighting and dying and triumphing on the field of battle.

Uncle Walter got his wish. America came home -- Saigon fell. The result?

The Viet Cong consolidated its power over the whole of Vietnam. Like all good Communists, they proceeded to enslave the population, herding hundreds of thousands into concentration camps to be tortured, starved, and killed. The people of South Vietnam, who had trusted America and fought alongside us as allies, put to the sea en masse in whatever rickety craft they could find. Hundreds of thousands drowned in this desperate attempt to escape; by 1980, these "Vietnamese Boat People" were recognized as one of the greatest humanitarian disasters of the modern age, as over 800,000 people fled their country in terror.

But that was a picnic compared to what happened next door in Cambodia, where the North Vietnamese-created Khmer Rouge seized power and implemented a policy of systematic extermination. Out of a population of perhaps 7 million, the Communists slaughtered between 1.5 to 2 million Cambodians. Millions more were forced into slave labor.

Walter Cronkite was called the most trusted man in America. He abused that trust, peddling his own opinion (hope?) - steeped in anti-American ideology - as fact. The Killing Fields were fertilized with this man's lies.

So speak to me not of this newsman's great legacy - it lays buried under a mountain of skulls in South East Asia.
I vividly remember watching Cronkite during the '60's...every night it was the same ol' same ol': What's going wrong in Vietnam. How many American soldiers were killed each day. What the commanders and military WASN'T releasing to the press. I specifically recall Cronkite's nay-sayer reports, night after night, ignoring the facts and spinning everything into an American defeat. After my brother was killed in September '68 during the LZ Margo incident, my family stopped watching Cronkite and the evening news.

I never watched Cronkite again. In my eyes, his vulgar anti-war bias was equivalent to the anti-American propoganda espoused by the hard-core leftists...beyond the media or folk anti-war activists...rivaling the overt anti-American activities of MOBE, Weathermen, socialist A.J. Muste, Maoist Howard Zinn, and on and on...

People who "thought" their actions were morally defensible, conceivably with the intent of pressuring U.S. leaders into ending the war...saving lives...though pompously, arrogantly devoid of the scruples to comprehend that their actions motivated and empowered the NVA/communists to escalate the killing, and subsequently resulted in the otherwise avoidable deaths of hundreds of thousands of combatants, and the incomprehensible deaths of millions of Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian who died while fleeing after the war, or were rounded up by the Khmer Rouge, NVA and Pathet Lao and genocidally butchered by the thousands in open pits. What resulted from the anti-war movement had nothing to do with war or politics. The post-war holocaustic deaths of millions of Vietnamese and Hmong was shear evil: An evil facilitated by the errant demagoguery of anti-Americans with which Walter Cronkite held court.

These past few days, everytime I see or hear his name on the radio or television, I change stations. I'll wager right now Cronkite's soul is facing the blood soaked legacy of the millions of lives ended due to his nonchalant bias. His eternity in journalist's hell: A well deserved resting place.
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Couldn't agree more. He belongs on the same gallows with Jane FondaTurner and a couple other idiots. Wonder if he ever realized the error of his ways late in life? :coffee: :coffee:
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"reality has a well-known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

conks couldn't handle the truth Cronkite told that night, and so began a great conk tradition, despite mocking others who do so, embracing the culture of victimhood that the "big bad media" was the reason they were full of shit, and so they began assembling their own little pravda-esque fiefdoms, and declared "the truth" up for grabs and something to be filtered for partisan purposes.

piss and moan all you'd like, try to revise history if you must - but Cronkite was a lion - a legend and a hero and the pathetic nature of right-wingers in this country who need to keep rehashing the 60's because they've got nothing else stands as a testament to respect Cronkite held and how for 40 years conks just "can't handle the truth"
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:"reality has a well-known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

conks couldn't handle the truth Cronkite told that night, and so began a great conk tradition, despite mocking others who do so, embracing the culture of victimhood that the "big bad media" was the reason they were full of shit, and so they began assembling their own little pravda-esque fiefdoms, and declared "the truth" up for grabs and something to be filtered for partisan purposes.

piss and moan all you'd like, try to revise history if you must - but Cronkite was a lion - a legend and a hero and the pathetic nature of right-wingers in this country who need to keep rehashing the 60's because they've got nothing else stands as a testament to respect Cronkite held and how for 40 years conks just "can't handle the truth"
Only in a lib's dumbass, twisted logic mind could a victory of such massive proportions be viewed as a loss.
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AZGrizFan wrote:Couldn't agree more. He belongs on the same gallows with Jane FondaTurner and a couple other idiots. Wonder if he ever realized the error of his ways late in life? :coffee: :coffee:
Nope, no way.

He continued to think his agenda was the only thing and kept influencing the news the same way he did during Vietnam.

His outline was the the same one used During the Iraq war, but this time we had President Bush and VP Cheney that would just tell you to fu*ck off instead of caving to the media.

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Gee, and where would the world be today if we had "won" the war in Vietnam and stopped the deadly red tide?


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T-man - you have officially gone off the deep end.


Start a thread about bush or cheney or reagan's deadly legacies, then you might have an ounce of credibility
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dbackjon wrote:T-man - you have officially gone off the deep end.


Start a thread about bush or cheney or reagan's deadly legacies, then you might have an ounce of credibility
So it's all Bush's and Cronkite's fault?
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AZGrizFan wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:"reality has a well-known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

conks couldn't handle the truth Cronkite told that night, and so began a great conk tradition, despite mocking others who do so, embracing the culture of victimhood that the "big bad media" was the reason they were full of shit, and so they began assembling their own little pravda-esque fiefdoms, and declared "the truth" up for grabs and something to be filtered for partisan purposes.

piss and moan all you'd like, try to revise history if you must - but Cronkite was a lion - a legend and a hero and the pathetic nature of right-wingers in this country who need to keep rehashing the 60's because they've got nothing else stands as a testament to respect Cronkite held and how for 40 years conks just "can't handle the truth"
Only in a lib's dumbass, twisted logic mind could a victory of such massive proportions be viewed as a loss.

Regrettably for you, Z, you can't seem to foray into and consider beliefs that contradict yours, something that hamstrings your credibility here, bud. You don't even know why you said what you did above! :lol: :lol: Maybe you thought Tman would approve if you just typed it absentmindedly.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

BTW, LMFatAO @ "victory of such massive proportions'!!!! Goes well with your "Reagan won the Cold War" bullshit, Z!!


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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:"reality has a well-known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

conks couldn't handle the truth Cronkite told that night, and so began a great conk tradition, despite mocking others who do so, embracing the culture of victimhood that the "big bad media" was the reason they were full of shit, and so they began assembling their own little pravda-esque fiefdoms, and declared "the truth" up for grabs and something to be filtered for partisan purposes.

piss and moan all you'd like, try to revise history if you must - but Cronkite was a lion - a legend and a hero and the pathetic nature of right-wingers in this country who need to keep rehashing the 60's because they've got nothing else stands as a testament to respect Cronkite held and how for 40 years conks just "can't handle the truth"
Just a thought on... The Tough talkin' Right:
The Right would have us pity the poor "real Americans" and BTW: they sure feel sorry for themselves. Self-pity appears to be the latest national craze. Not that we haven't got real troubles, but everywhere you look and listen these days, some big crybaby's blubbering about how people like him or her get no respect from (take your pick) "Ivy League elitists," the "scientific establishment," "so-called sophisticates," the "mainstream media" and so on.
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Cleets Part 2 wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:"reality has a well-known liberal bias" - Stephen Colbert

conks couldn't handle the truth Cronkite told that night, and so began a great conk tradition, despite mocking others who do so, embracing the culture of victimhood that the "big bad media" was the reason they were full of ****, and so they began assembling their own little pravda-esque fiefdoms, and declared "the truth" up for grabs and something to be filtered for partisan purposes.

piss and moan all you'd like, try to revise history if you must - but Cronkite was a lion - a legend and a hero and the pathetic nature of right-wingers in this country who need to keep rehashing the 60's because they've got nothing else stands as a testament to respect Cronkite held and how for 40 years conks just "can't handle the truth"
Just a thought on... The Tough talkin' Right:
The Right would have us pity the poor "real Americans" and BTW: they sure feel sorry for themselves. Self-pity appears to be the latest national craze. Not that we haven't got real troubles, but everywhere you look and listen these days, some big crybaby's blubbering about how people like him or her get no respect from (take your pick) "Ivy League elitists," the "scientific establishment," "so-called sophisticates," the "mainstream media" and so on.
You left out "northeastern intellectuals".....
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Appaholic wrote:
Cleets Part 2 wrote:
Just a thought on... The Tough talkin' Right:
The Right would have us pity the poor "real Americans" and BTW: they sure feel sorry for themselves. Self-pity appears to be the latest national craze. Not that we haven't got real troubles, but everywhere you look and listen these days, some big crybaby's blubbering about how people like him or her get no respect from (take your pick) "Ivy League elitists," the "scientific establishment," "so-called sophisticates," the "mainstream media" and so on.
You left out "northeastern intellectuals".....
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Cap'n Cat wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote: Only in a lib's dumbass, twisted logic mind could a victory of such massive proportions be viewed as a loss.

Regrettably for you, Z, you can't seem to foray into and consider beliefs that contradict yours, something that hamstrings your credibility here, bud. You don't even know why you said what you did above! :lol: :lol: Maybe you thought Tman would approve if you just typed it absentmindedly.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

BTW, LMFatAO @ "victory of such massive proportions'!!!! Goes well with your "Reagan won the Cold War" bullshit, Z!!


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58,000-9,000 is a victory of massive proportions. Take off the Fonda-colored glasses.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Cap'n Cat wrote:

Regrettably for you, Z, you can't seem to foray into and consider beliefs that contradict yours, something that hamstrings your credibility here, bud. You don't even know why you said what you did above! :lol: :lol: Maybe you thought Tman would approve if you just typed it absentmindedly.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

BTW, LMFatAO @ "victory of such massive proportions'!!!! Goes well with your "Reagan won the Cold War" bullshit, Z!!


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58,000-9,000 is a victory of massive proportions. Take off the Fonda-colored glasses.
Kill ratios don't determine the outcome of wars there chachi....

fact is, there were two options for vietnam... neither preferable... withdraw, or overwhelm them with a hell of a lot more force and turn the country in to a holocaust. all in all, a western power attempting assert it's beliefs in a post-colonial country against an ideology that had broad support in the region (even if we may not like it) really didn't stand much of a chance.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
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58,000-9,000 is a victory of massive proportions. Take off the Fonda-colored glasses.
Kill ratios don't determine the outcome of wars there chachi....

fact is, there were two options for vietnam... neither preferable... withdraw, or overwhelm them with a hell of a lot more force and turn the country in to a holocaust. all in all, a western power attempting assert it's beliefs in a post-colonial country against an ideology that had broad support in the region (even if we may not like it) really didn't stand much of a chance.
The Tet Offensive was a MASSIVE defeat for the VC--Joanie. That point is unarguable (well, except by Cappy, who'd argue whether the sky was blue). The writer's entire point as that Cronkite chose THAT day to essentially tell America that "all was lost" and we were defeated. THAT'S what helped determine the outcome of the war. If you don't think the newscasters could/did/do have a significant impact on the public's support you're living in la-la land. And it's interesting that you say it "didn't really stand much of a chance"....tell that to South Korea, an example of JUST such a success story going on 50 years.
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TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
AZGrizFan wrote:
58,000-9,000 is a victory of massive proportions. Take off the Fonda-colored glasses.
Kill ratios don't determine the outcome of wars there chachi....

fact is, there were two options for vietnam... neither preferable... withdraw, or overwhelm them with a hell of a lot more force and turn the country in to a holocaust. all in all, a western power attempting assert it's beliefs in a post-colonial country against an ideology that had broad support in the region (even if we may not like it) really didn't stand much of a chance.

Um, Z, please pick up the leftover pieces of your ass at the exit. Thank you.


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These guys start out thinking that no war is winnable.

They go into it with a defeatist attitude and then lack the fortitude to win.

War sucks and should be close to the last option but if your gonna do it unleash hell kill as many people as you can and make a statement that you should never fu*k with us again.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
TwinTownBisonFan wrote:
Kill ratios don't determine the outcome of wars there chachi....

fact is, there were two options for vietnam... neither preferable... withdraw, or overwhelm them with a hell of a lot more force and turn the country in to a holocaust. all in all, a western power attempting assert it's beliefs in a post-colonial country against an ideology that had broad support in the region (even if we may not like it) really didn't stand much of a chance.
The Tet Offensive was a MASSIVE defeat for the VC--Joanie. That point is unarguable (well, except by Cappy, who'd argue whether the sky was blue). The writer's entire point as that Cronkite chose THAT day to essentially tell America that "all was lost" and we were defeated. THAT'S what helped determine the outcome of the war. If you don't think the newscasters could/did/do have a significant impact on the public's support you're living in la-la land. And it's interesting that you say it "didn't really stand much of a chance"....tell that to South Korea, an example of JUST such a success story going on 50 years.

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:These guys start out thinking that no war is winnable.

They go into it with a defeatist attitude and then lack the fortitude to win.

War sucks and should be close to the last option but if your gonna do it unleash hell kill as many people as you can and make a statement that you should never fu*k with us again.

Alfred,
Can't disagree with some of that. Don't go to war in the first place, if possible.

The guys who put us in Vietnam did not have the benefit we do of 40 years of postwar analysis and debate. It's easy for anyone, even, and especially liberals, to judge them thusly.


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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:These guys start out thinking that no war is winnable.

They go into it with a defeatist attitude and then lack the fortitude to win.

War sucks and should be close to the last option but if your gonna do it unleash hell kill as many people as you can and make a statement that you should never fu*k with us again.
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This exemplifies (typifies) the gap between a Liberal minded person and a Conservative minded person

1) Liberals understand that any modern congress (1950 to present) will never unleash hell - no matter what - they will never let the military do what it does best with complete and total victory in mind

2) Once you come to terms with the "political nature" of war you become a lot less willing to throw bodies and resources at it knowing full well it will be a cluster-f_ck of tit-for-tat miniature offensives

3) Conservatives still think we can fight a WWII style war (Fantasy land) and anybody who's paid any attention over the last 50 year will tell you... Not a chance...

But Alpha I agree with you - if we went to war, we should just unleash FULL HELL - otherwise stay home and tinker around with diplomacy and favor mongering
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Cleets Part 2 wrote:
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:These guys start out thinking that no war is winnable.

They go into it with a defeatist attitude and then lack the fortitude to win.

War sucks and should be close to the last option but if your gonna do it unleash hell kill as many people as you can and make a statement that you should never fu*k with us again.
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This exemplifies (typifies) the gap between a Liberal minded person and a Conservative minded person

1) Liberals understand that any modern congress (1950 to present) will never unleash hell - no matter what - they will never let the military do what it does best with complete and total victory in mind

2) Once you come to terms with the "political nature" of war you become a lot less willing to throw bodies and resources at it knowing full well it will be a cluster-f_ck of tit-for-tat miniature offensives

3) Conservatives still think we can fight a WWII style war (Fantasy land) and anybody who's paid any attention over the last 50 year will tell you... Not a chance...

But Alpha I agree with you - if we went to war, we should just unleash FULL HELL - otherwise stay home and tinker around with diplomacy and favor mongering
Then we should disband the military and save the money.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
Cleets Part 2 wrote:
Above
This exemplifies (typifies) the gap between a Liberal minded person and a Conservative minded person

1) Liberals understand that any modern congress (1950 to present) will never unleash hell - no matter what - they will never let the military do what it does best with complete and total victory in mind

2) Once you come to terms with the "political nature" of war you become a lot less willing to throw bodies and resources at it knowing full well it will be a cluster-f_ck of tit-for-tat miniature offensives

3) Conservatives still think we can fight a WWII style war (Fantasy land) and anybody who's paid any attention over the last 50 year will tell you... Not a chance...

But Alpha I agree with you - if we went to war, we should just unleash FULL HELL - otherwise stay home and tinker around with diplomacy and favor mongering
Then we should disband the military and save the money.


DING DING DING DING DING!!!!!!!

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Re: Cronkite's Bloody Legacy

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Cleets Part 2 wrote:
Above
This exemplifies (typifies) the gap between a Liberal minded person and a Conservative minded person

1) Liberals understand that any modern congress (1950 to present) will never unleash hell - no matter what - they will never let the military do what it does best with complete and total victory in mind

2) Once you come to terms with the "political nature" of war you become a lot less willing to throw bodies and resources at it knowing full well it will be a cluster-f_ck of tit-for-tat miniature offensives

3) Conservatives still think we can fight a WWII style war (Fantasy land) and anybody who's paid any attention over the last 50 year will tell you... Not a chance...

But Alpha I agree with you - if we went to war, we should just unleash FULL HELL - otherwise stay home and tinker around with diplomacy and favor mongering
Then we should disband the military and save the money.
Dude.. I'm not saying I like it - I'm just pointing out the truth (as I see it) in regards to congress and War
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