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The Red Chinese have announced a new Kazakhstan strain of pneumonia that is allegedly “much deadlier” than COVID-19.

Just thought I’d brighten your day.

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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:20 am
The Red Chinese have announced a new Kazakhstan strain of pneumonia that is allegedly “much deadlier” than COVID-19.

Just thought I’d brighten your day.

Consider the source.

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Pneumonia doesn't help me any. I need malaria and I will have a BINGO on what can I possibly die from today card.
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:02 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:20 am
The Red Chinese have announced a new Kazakhstan strain of pneumonia that is allegedly “much deadlier” than COVID-19.

Just thought I’d brighten your day.

Consider the source.

Borat sucks.
Pneumonia doesn't help me any. I need malaria and I will have a BINGO on what can I possibly die from today card.
Just posted this in the Covid thread. The Chinese are working awfully hard to deflect.
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:08 am
Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:02 am


Pneumonia doesn't help me any. I need malaria and I will have a BINGO on what can I possibly die from today card.
Just posted this in the Covid thread. The Chinese are working awfully hard to deflect.
I scooped you by 44 minutes! :mrgreen:

But I share your view. Maybe it’s just a mutation of COVID-19. Need lots more info, which Xi ain’t likely to provide.
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kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:08 am
Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:02 am


Pneumonia doesn't help me any. I need malaria and I will have a BINGO on what can I possibly die from today card.
Just posted this in the Covid thread. The Chinese are working awfully hard to deflect.
Don't care (that there is a new way that something can possibly kill me, not that you posted, which is okay :thumb: ). :)

If I worried about every little way I could possible die, I wouldn't be able to live life. :nod: T
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:21 am
kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:08 am


Just posted this in the Covid thread. The Chinese are working awfully hard to deflect.
Don't care (that there is a new way that something can possibly kill me, not that you posted, which is okay :thumb: ). :)

If I worried about every little way I could possible die, I wouldn't be able to live life. :nod: T
My point is that I’m starting to move over to CIDs side that this was lab produced. Also that some numbers are being under-reported despite all the over-reporting memes.

I’m not nearly as worried about the virus as I am disheartened by my country’s reaction to it.
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:32 am
Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:21 am


Don't care (that there is a new way that something can possibly kill me, not that you posted, which is okay :thumb: ). :)

If I worried about every little way I could possible die, I wouldn't be able to live life. :nod: T
My point is that I’m starting to move over to CIDs side that this was lab produced. Also that some numbers are being under-reported despite all the over-reporting memes.

I’m not nearly as worried about the virus as I am disheartened by my countries reaction to it.
I have been on the lab side since the beginning, whether it was just being studied (for sure) or being tinkered with (I believe so, but don't have any proof outside of some hints and that the Chinese government would lie to its own mother about anything).

A good friend (who is a retired college math professor at a local 4 year university) and I were discussing numbers and how it relates to COVID here last week. His comment was that not all data is created equal and unless some values are controlled in the collection process most of the data being collected now is basically garbage for more detailed statistical analysis, due to the fact that there is next to no standardized process of reporting the data (or quality control) and that makes it next to impossible to draw decent conclusions from it outside of just general trends.

As for our countries response to it, that it is a massive CF is no surprise and completely expected. The blame rests solely on the people that elected the individuals that are supposed to be in charge. GI-GO. Garbage in equals garbage out. :coffee:
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:04 am
kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:32 am


My point is that I’m starting to move over to CIDs side that this was lab produced. Also that some numbers are being under-reported despite all the over-reporting memes.

I’m not nearly as worried about the virus as I am disheartened by my countries reaction to it.
I have been on the lab side since the beginning, whether it was just being studied (for sure) or being tinkered with (I believe so, but don't have any proof outside of some hints and that the Chinese government would lie to its own mother about anything).

A good friend (who is a retired college math professor at a local 4 year university) were discussing numbers and how it relates to COVID here last week. His comment was that not all data is created equal and unless some values are controlled in the collection process most of the data being collected now is basically garbage for more detailed statistical analysis, due to the fact that there is next to no standardized process of reporting the data (or quality control) and that makes it next to impossible to draw decent conclusions from it outside of just general trends.

As for our countries response to it, that it is a massive CF is no surprise and completely expected. The blame rests solely on the people that elected the individuals that are supposed to be in charge. GI-GO. Garbage in equals garbage out. :coffee:
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:04 am
kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:32 am


My point is that I’m starting to move over to CIDs side that this was lab produced. Also that some numbers are being under-reported despite all the over-reporting memes.

I’m not nearly as worried about the virus as I am disheartened by my countries reaction to it.
I have been on the lab side since the beginning, whether it was just being studied (for sure) or being tinkered with (I believe so, but don't have any proof outside of some hints and that the Chinese government would lie to its own mother about anything).

A good friend (who is a retired college math professor at a local 4 year university) were discussing numbers and how it relates to COVID here last week. His comment was that not all data is created equal and unless some values are controlled in the collection process most of the data being collected now is basically garbage for more detailed statistical analysis, due to the fact that there is next to no standardized process of reporting the data (or quality control) and that makes it next to impossible to draw decent conclusions from it outside of just general trends.

As for our countries response to it, that it is a massive CF is no surprise and completely expected. The blame rests solely on the people that elected the individuals that are supposed to be in charge. GI-GO. Garbage in equals garbage out. :coffee:
I don’t disagree. That’s why ALL of the metrics are important to get the most accurate snapshot. It’s also an argument for remaining cautious until the numbers improve. We’re literally seeing that now. Death rates can remain low but hospitalizations and long term health effects are becoming real.

Like I’ve said before, it appears to be the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths) but high volume.
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:13 am
Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:04 am


I have been on the lab side since the beginning, whether it was just being studied (for sure) or being tinkered with (I believe so, but don't have any proof outside of some hints and that the Chinese government would lie to its own mother about anything).

A good friend (who is a retired college math professor at a local 4 year university) were discussing numbers and how it relates to COVID here last week. His comment was that not all data is created equal and unless some values are controlled in the collection process most of the data being collected now is basically garbage for more detailed statistical analysis, due to the fact that there is next to no standardized process of reporting the data (or quality control) and that makes it next to impossible to draw decent conclusions from it outside of just general trends.

As for our countries response to it, that it is a massive CF is no surprise and completely expected. The blame rests solely on the people that elected the individuals that are supposed to be in charge. GI-GO. Garbage in equals garbage out. :coffee:
I don’t disagree. That’s why ALL of the metrics are important to get the most accurate snapshot. It’s also an argument for remaining cautious until the numbers improve. We’re literally seeing that now. Death rates can remain low but hospitalizations and long term health effects are becoming real.

Like I’ve said before, it appears to be the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths) but high volume.
Heard an interesting piece on BBC yesterday where a leading British neurologist discussed COVID’s effects on high-risk stroke patients. But I’m hijacking my own thread.

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Ivytalk wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:20 am
kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:08 am


Just posted this in the Covid thread. The Chinese are working awfully hard to deflect.
I scooped you by 44 minutes! :mrgreen:

But I share your view. Maybe it’s just a mutation of COVID-19. Need lots more info, which Xi ain’t likely to provide.
Don’t worry, the World Health Organization is on top of it. :coffee:
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

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Ivytalk wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:10 am
Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:04 am


I have been on the lab side since the beginning, whether it was just being studied (for sure) or being tinkered with (I believe so, but don't have any proof outside of some hints and that the Chinese government would lie to its own mother about anything).

A good friend (who is a retired college math professor at a local 4 year university) were discussing numbers and how it relates to COVID here last week. His comment was that not all data is created equal and unless some values are controlled in the collection process most of the data being collected now is basically garbage for more detailed statistical analysis, due to the fact that there is next to no standardized process of reporting the data (or quality control) and that makes it next to impossible to draw decent conclusions from it outside of just general trends.

As for our countries response to it, that it is a massive CF is no surprise and completely expected. The blame rests solely on the people that elected the individuals that are supposed to be in charge. GI-GO. Garbage in equals garbage out. :coffee:
Which means all of us.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I only vote for the best and my candidates are perfect. ;)

We are a very diversified country in both people and ideas. It is very reasonable to assume that our politics will reflect that and we should expect a response as varied and diverse as the people that make up the electorate. Expecting a unified response ala Aisa, is like expecting the sun to come up in the West and set in the East. We are not a homogeneous country (which is a good thing) and we are going to have a non-homogeneous response because of that. Expecting everybody to unite together and get over their differences for the greater good is not a realistic expectation in my opinion.

Is it a disappointment that we can't, perhaps, but the threat of COVID is no where near great enough that I am worried about the fact that we are not unified. Will this lack of unity come back to haunt us in the future if something more dire comes up? It is entirely possible that it will, but I would rather deal with that future hypothetical then having the government say something and everybody fall lock-step inline with their demands. :twocents:
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kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:13 am
Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:04 am


I have been on the lab side since the beginning, whether it was just being studied (for sure) or being tinkered with (I believe so, but don't have any proof outside of some hints and that the Chinese government would lie to its own mother about anything).

A good friend (who is a retired college math professor at a local 4 year university) were discussing numbers and how it relates to COVID here last week. His comment was that not all data is created equal and unless some values are controlled in the collection process most of the data being collected now is basically garbage for more detailed statistical analysis, due to the fact that there is next to no standardized process of reporting the data (or quality control) and that makes it next to impossible to draw decent conclusions from it outside of just general trends.

As for our countries response to it, that it is a massive CF is no surprise and completely expected. The blame rests solely on the people that elected the individuals that are supposed to be in charge. GI-GO. Garbage in equals garbage out. :coffee:
I don’t disagree. That’s why ALL of the metrics are important to get the most accurate snapshot. It’s also an argument for remaining cautious until the numbers improve. We’re literally seeing that now. Death rates can remain low but hospitalizations and long term health effects are becoming real.

Like I’ve said before, it appears to be the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths) but high volume.

So like the flu? :hide:
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Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:03 am
Ivytalk wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:10 am

Which means all of us.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I only vote for the best and my candidates are perfect. ;)

We are a very diversified country in both people and ideas. It is very reasonable to assume that our politics will reflect that and we should expect a response as varied and diverse as the people that make up the electorate. Expecting a unified response ala Aisa, is like expecting the sun to come up in the West and set in the East. We are not a homogeneous country (which is a good thing) and we are going to have a non-homogeneous response because of that. Expecting everybody to unite together and get over their differences for the greater good is not a realistic expectation in my opinion.

Is it a disappointment that we can't, perhaps, but the threat of COVID is no where near great enough that I am worried about the fact that we are not unified. Will this lack of unity come back to haunt us in the future if something more dire comes up? It is entirely possible that it will, but I would rather deal with that future hypothetical then having the government say something and everybody fall lock-step inline with their demands. :twocents:
We have three ongoing crises ongoing right now, none of which (pending further disclosures on Chinese skulduggery) involves an armed attack on the United States: COVID, racial strife, and a tanked economy. They are interrelated, but the effects are not uniform, so people react to their own (or their own tribe’s) situations. Nothing brings the people together like an armed attack.
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Ivytalk wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:13 am
Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:03 am



I don't know about the rest of you, but I only vote for the best and my candidates are perfect. ;)

We are a very diversified country in both people and ideas. It is very reasonable to assume that our politics will reflect that and we should expect a response as varied and diverse as the people that make up the electorate. Expecting a unified response ala Aisa, is like expecting the sun to come up in the West and set in the East. We are not a homogeneous country (which is a good thing) and we are going to have a non-homogeneous response because of that. Expecting everybody to unite together and get over their differences for the greater good is not a realistic expectation in my opinion.

Is it a disappointment that we can't, perhaps, but the threat of COVID is no where near great enough that I am worried about the fact that we are not unified. Will this lack of unity come back to haunt us in the future if something more dire comes up? It is entirely possible that it will, but I would rather deal with that future hypothetical then having the government say something and everybody fall lock-step inline with their demands. :twocents:
We have three ongoing crises ongoing right now, none of which (pending further disclosures on Chinese skulduggery) involves an armed attack on the United States: COVID, racial strife, and a tanked economy. They are interrelated, but the effects are not uniform, so people react to their own (or their own tribe’s) situations. Nothing brings the people together like an armed attack.
A very succinct summary. :thumb:

I had the U.S. response to the Nazi's in WWII in mind as I was typing the reply up. :nod:
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Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 8:05 am
kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:13 am


I don’t disagree. That’s why ALL of the metrics are important to get the most accurate snapshot. It’s also an argument for remaining cautious until the numbers improve. We’re literally seeing that now. Death rates can remain low but hospitalizations and long term health effects are becoming real.

Like I’ve said before, it appears to be the Walmart of viruses. Low margin (deaths) but high volume.

So like the flu? :hide:
The Flu would be Kmart in this scenario.
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People need to ignore the media created pandemics and worry about real health issues that can really hurt the country. I will admit I bought into this COVID thing at the beginning and now I am embarrassed that I bought in. Much ado about nothing as it turns out.

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Winterborn wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:21 am
Don't care (that there is a new way that something can possibly kill me, not that you posted, which is okay :thumb: ). :)

If I worried about every little way I could possible die, I wouldn't be able to live life. :nod: T
My point is that I’m starting to move over to CIDs side that this was lab produced. Also that some numbers are being under-reported despite all the over-reporting memes.

I’m not nearly as worried about the virus as I am disheartened by my country’s reaction to it.
Not lab-produced.

Lab released.

If this thing was lab-produced that’s a global act of war and we would need to end China.
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CID1990 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:09 pm
kalm wrote:
My point is that I’m starting to move over to CIDs side that this was lab produced. Also that some numbers are being under-reported despite all the over-reporting memes.

I’m not nearly as worried about the virus as I am disheartened by my country’s reaction to it.
Not lab-produced.

Lab released.

If this thing was lab-produced that’s a global act of war and we would need to end China.
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kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:29 pm
CID1990 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:09 pm


Not lab-produced.

Lab released.

If this thing was lab-produced that’s a global act of war and we would need to end China.
:thumb:
That's something that never gets fully nuanced by our simplistic, head-line grabbing and biased-based media. I never hear the distinction between lab released and lab produced, just a focus on the latter. It's part of the partisan divide that we see everywhere on everything, sadly.
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CID1990 wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:09 pm
kalm wrote:
My point is that I’m starting to move over to CIDs side that this was lab produced. Also that some numbers are being under-reported despite all the over-reporting memes.

I’m not nearly as worried about the virus as I am disheartened by my country’s reaction to it.
Not lab-produced.

Lab released.

If this thing was lab-produced that’s a global act of war and we would need to end China.
What does it say about their lab control mechanisms and processes if it was lab released? Should we quarantine all travelers who have been to China for 14 days until they get their sh!t straight?

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Lab-produced: establishes intent

Lab-released: still grossly negligent

Either way, the Red Chinese look like shit
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GannonFan wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:17 pm
kalm wrote:
Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:29 pm


:thumb:
That's something that never gets fully nuanced by our simplistic, head-line grabbing and biased-based media. I never hear the distinction between lab released and lab produced, just a focus on the latter. It's part of the partisan divide that we see everywhere on everything, sadly.
I was simply sloppy with my wording. I posted a few weeks ago about Brett Weinstein’s hunch that it was lab produced.

It doesn’t really matter anyway except that China and the WHO constantly appear to be attempting to save face.
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 3:22 pm
Lab-produced: establishes intent

Lab-released: still grossly negligent

Either way, the Red Chinese look like shit
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Re: Kazakh Pneumonia: Deadlier than COVID-19, or More Fear Porn?

Post by AZGrizFan »

Stop worrying. WHO is all over this....they’ve got this.
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