Coronavirus COVID-19

[AZGrizFan]

How about we instead fuck anyone who threatens other’s freedoms? For example, from censorship to monopolies?

Extremism is relative and sometimes leads to positive change. Famous extremists:

Grover Norquist
Ron Paul
Margaret Sanger
AOC
The Texas Energy Commission
The Founding Fathers.
John Brown
Ghandi

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

[Gil Dobie]

Why didn't we see as much resistance to seat belts or speed limits as we do masks?

[GannonFan]

Why didn't we see as much resistance to seat belts or speed limits as we do masks?

Huh? Hoping this was sarcastic. There are still people who refuse to wear seat belts, and that was like a 30-40 year campaign. And I still don't drive the speed limit when I can avoid it. I do wear my mask, though (and I always wear my seat belt - I just think speed limits are an unnecessary intrusion on my freedom).

I think the better comparison is motorcycle helmets - people really acquiesced on that one and we had pretty high compliance from the beginning.

[kalm]

How about we instead fuck anyone who threatens other’s freedoms? For example, from censorship to monopolies?

Extremism is relative and sometimes leads to positive change. Famous extremists:

Grover Norquist
Ron Paul
Margaret Sanger
AOC
The Texas Energy Commission
The Founding Fathers.
John Brown
Ghandi

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

That’s kind of my point. It’s not as simple as “just throw out the extremists.” There’s comfort in historical bias and the status quo.

Reagan? Extremist.
William Wallace? Extremist.

[AZGrizFan]

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

That’s kind of my point. It’s not as simple as “just throw out the extremists.” There’s comfort in historical bias and the status quo.

Reagan? Extremist.
William Wallace? Extremist.

Lol. Reagan was hardly an extremist.

And why was William Wallace an extremist? Because he exhibited rugged individualism? Toxic masculinity? Rugged independence? Because he loved his country?

Show me where he touched you on the teddy bear, klam.

[AZGrizFan]

Why didn't we see as much resistance to seat belts or speed limits as we do masks?

Huh? Hoping this was sarcastic. There are still people who refuse to wear seat belts, and that was like a 30-40 year campaign. And I still don't drive the speed limit when I can avoid it. I do wear my mask, though (and I always wear my seat belt - I just think speed limits are an unnecessary intrusion on my freedom).

I think the better comparison is motorcycle helmets - people really acquiesced on that one and we had pretty high compliance from the beginning.

They acquiesced because cops were stopping them left and right and issuing tickets. Amazing what can happen when you get Johnny Law to buy into the stamping out of freedom.

[Ibanez]

How about we instead fuck anyone who threatens other’s freedoms? For example, from censorship to monopolies?

Extremism is relative and sometimes leads to positive change. Famous extremists:

Grover Norquist
Ron Paul
Margaret Sanger
AOC
The Texas Energy Commission
The Founding Fathers.
John Brown
Ghandi

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

These guys were pretty extreme...more than words could ever say

[Ibanez]

Why didn't we see as much resistance to seat belts or speed limits as we do masks?

My neighborhood Facebook page is 50% " Jill, your dog is out again" and " I'll speed through if I damn well please".

[kalm]

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

These guys were pretty extreme...more than words could ever say

Ibanez gets it.

[Ibanez]

That’s kind of my point. It’s not as simple as “just throw out the extremists.” There’s comfort in historical bias and the status quo.

Reagan? Extremist.
William Wallace? Extremist.

Lol. Reagan was hardly an extremist.

And why was William Wallace an extremist? Because he exhibited rugged individualism? Toxic masculinity? Rugged independence? Because he loved his country?

Show me where he touched you on the teddy bear, klam.

One man's patriot is another man's terrorist...or something like that.

Extremists - a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views,

William Wallace does NOT fit this description, IMO. Nor does Reagan.

[kalm]

Lol. Reagan was hardly an extremist.

And why was William Wallace an extremist? Because he exhibited rugged individualism? Toxic masculinity? Rugged independence? Because he loved his country?

Show me where he touched you on the teddy bear, klam.

One man's patriot is another man's terrorist...or something like that.

Extremists - a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views,

William Wallace does NOT fit this description, IMO. Nor does Reagan.

That’s why I used them. Extremism is subjective. To summarily discard ideas or people as extreme. A case can be made for both.

[SDHornet]

How about we instead fuck anyone who threatens other’s freedoms? For example, from censorship to monopolies?

Extremism is relative and sometimes leads to positive change. Famous extremists:

Grover Norquist
Ron Paul
Margaret Sanger
AOC
The Texas Energy Commission
The Founding Fathers.
John Brown
Ghandi

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

No shit, Mr "shut everything down to save all lives" is worried about freedoms.

[kalm]

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

No shit, Mr "shut everything down to save all lives" is worried about freedoms.

Well that would be an “extreme” manipulation of my take on Covid. So...congrats?

[BDKJMU]

[Gil Dobie]

Sorry Rand, don't listen to government scolds, including you. I'll check with my Dr. first.

[AZGrizFan]

Other famous extremists:

Hitler
Stalin
Mao
Guevara
Min

And NOW you’re suddenly worried about freedoms?

These guys were pretty extreme...more than words could ever say

Your best post of the day.

[AZGrizFan]

Lol. Reagan was hardly an extremist.

And why was William Wallace an extremist? Because he exhibited rugged individualism? Toxic masculinity? Rugged independence? Because he loved his country?

Show me where he touched you on the teddy bear, klam.

One man's patriot is another man's terrorist...or something like that.

Extremists - a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views,

William Wallace does NOT fit this description, IMO. Nor does Reagan.

Thank you. You’re coming around today....well done.

[Gil Dobie]

These guys were pretty extreme...more than words could ever say

Your best post of the day.

Is that Nickelback

[AZGrizFan]

Your best post of the day.

Is that Nickelback

Hell no. Nickelback is WAAAAY better looking.

[Ibanez]

One man's patriot is another man's terrorist...or something like that.

Extremists - a person who holds extreme or fanatical political or religious views,

William Wallace does NOT fit this description, IMO. Nor does Reagan.

Thank you. You’re coming around today....well done.

There's nothing to come around to when you think logically, reasonably and don't follow any ideology.


Besides - I'm big on using the correct word. Extremist just doesn't fit.

[Ibanez]

Is that Nickelback

Hell no. Nickelback is WAAAAY better looking.

[JohnStOnge]

Why didn't we see as much resistance to seat belts or speed limits as we do masks?

I have always been against seat belt laws. Realistically, seat belt laws are about physically protecting yourself. I had one guy make the argument to me once that you might not maintain control of your vehicle if you're not strapped in under certain circumstances. But I think that is a stretch.

What I've thought about is mask mandates vs. DUI laws. I suspect a lot of people who are horrified by mask mandates are all for throwing somebody in jail for driving with a 0.08 BAC. The article at https://www.epermittest.com/drivers-edu ... nk-driving indicates, "Since 1991, it is estimated that around 90,000 lives have been saved as a result of stricter drunk driving laws and alcohol regulation policies."

That's 29 years, so about 3,100 lives saved per year.

Just as an example, there is an estimate cited at https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... y-suggests on October 24, 2020, that universal mask wearing would save about 130,000 lives over a 6 month period.

If you know me you know I think DUI laws are over the top. But I do wonder about how strong support seems to be for draconian DUI laws that are estimated to have saved around 90,000 lives over 29 years while there is so much consternation about mask mandates that have the potential to save around 130,000 lives in six months.

[JohnStOnge]

What the heck. This is a politics thread but I'll post a celebratory picture of my two kids after they and I received our 1st dose of the Moderna vaccine today on the 1st anniversary of the WHO declaring that the COVID-19 thing is a pandemic. My daughter sells t shirts she designs and the ones they are wearing are part of her line.

[JohnStOnge]

I think most believe that the vaccines will dramatically reduce the risk of the person vaccinated serving as a vector. However, they don't know that yet. So they are asking you to continue to wear a mask to be sure other people are protected. That's perfectly reasonable. And wearing a mask when you are around other people is not a big imposition.

I suspect it won't be long until we hear that they have confirmed that a vaccinated person is not a threat to others. But one should be a responsible citizen and wait until they do that before acting as though it is already confirmed.

[Gil Dobie]

I think most believe that the vaccines will dramatically reduce the risk of the person vaccinated serving as a vector. However, they don't know that yet. So they are asking you to continue to wear a mask to be sure other people are protected. That's perfectly reasonable. And wearing a mask when you are around other people is not a big imposition.

I suspect it won't be long until we hear that they have confirmed that a vaccinated person is not a threat to others. But one should be a responsible citizen and wait until they do that before acting as though it is already confirmed.

Isn't being a responsible citizen, against your natural given freedoms. That's what I keep hearing from the Trump scolds.