Boy Suspended for Shirt w/ a Gun Image

[kalm]

Suspending him was correct but I think the kid made a righteous stand here.

Oregon eighth-grader suspended from school for wearing patriotic shirt showing gun.

As he got older, Holmes’s pride turned into patriotism. He wanted to demonstrate that patriotism last week by wearing a T-shirt to school that included a design memorializing fallen soldiers and bearing the words “Standing for those who stood for us,” according to KATU. Instead, the image on his shirt — boots, a helmet and a gun — got him suspended, the station reported.

Officials at Dexter McCarty Middle School asked Holmes to change his shirt, according to Fox affiliate KPTV. When he refused, the station reported, he was given an ultimatum: Remove the shirt or face suspension.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... owing-gun/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[HI54UNI]

Kudos to the kid.

The school administration is stupid.

I wonder if this would pass the test based on Tinker v Des Moines School District?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinker_v. ... l_District

[Chizzang]

If the kid had even an ounce of cool in him
he would have gone with a Tactical Kitten T-shirt

[BDKJMU]

He's got a gum, he's got a gum!
http://eagnews.org/panic-strikes-school ... -says-gum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Libtards...

[Chizzang]

He's got a gum, he's got a gum!
http://eagnews.org/panic-strikes-school ... -says-gum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Libtards...

Explain how this involves Libtards exactly..?

[BDKJMU]

He's got a gum, he's got a gum!
http://eagnews.org/panic-strikes-school ... -says-gum/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Libtards...

Explain how this involves Libtards exactly..?

Generally its the libtards running the public schools, even in TX..

[Chizzang]

Explain how this involves Libtards exactly..?

Generally its the libtards running the public schools, even in TX..

You are so wrong about this...
Texas teaches Creationism and that is some bible thunmpin' crazy talk



You're talkin' out your ass as usual BDKJMU

[GrizFanStuckInUtah]

Suspending him was correct but I think the kid made a righteous stand here.

I am going to have to strongly disagree on the suspension. The kid is making the right stand, nothing wrong with sticking up for yourself when you feel you are right. The reason I disagree with the suspension is the school administrators probably have no clue what the symbols on the shirt even mean. The knee jerk reaction of "It has a gun" is just that. The "Soldiers Cross" dates back to the civil war and while I am sure the exact pieces of it have changed, the meaning has not. This falls squarely under freedom of speech and this kids intent was good and he has every right to mourn and show his support/patriotism. There are certainly limits on freedom of speech but I really fail to see how this was a threat or something objectionable to anyone around the kid. I am not sure what scares me worse, the fact that this happened or the fact that these are the kind of people that are teaching our kids as they are truly clueless and incapable of using their brains.

The Fallen Soldier Battle Cross, Battlefield Cross or Battle Cross is a symbolic replacement of a cross, or marker appropriate to an individual service-member's religion, on the battlefield or at the base camp for a soldier who has been killed. It is made up of the soldier's rifle stuck into the ground or into the soldier's boots, with helmet on top. Dog tags are sometimes placed on the rifle, and the boots of the dead soldier can be placed next to the rifle. The purpose is to show honor and respect for the dead at the battle site. The practice started during the American Civil War or maybe earlier as a means of identifying the bodies on the battleground before they were removed.

Today, it is an immediate means of showing respect for the dead among the still living members of the troop. It might be seen in the field or base camp after the battle in Afghanistan or Iraq. Used less today as a means to identify the dead but more as a private ceremony among those still living as a means to mourn, as attending the funeral is not always possible for soldiers still in the fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Cross

[AZGrizFan]

Raghead kid makes and brings fake bomb to school---gets invited to the White House
White kid wears t-shirt honoring fallen soldiers --- gets suspended

Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

[Ibanez]

Raghead kid makes and brings fake bomb to school---gets invited to the White House
White kid wears t-shirt honoring fallen soldiers --- gets suspended

Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

Apparently you can. The "raghead" kid made a clock, and like most engineers he lacked common sense in bringing it to school the way he did.

Both kids did nothing wrong.

[AZGrizFan]

Raghead kid makes and brings fake bomb to school---gets invited to the White House
White kid wears t-shirt honoring fallen soldiers --- gets suspended

Seriously, you can't make this shit up.

Apparently you can. The "raghead" kid made a clock, and like most engineers he lacked common sense in bringing it to school the way he did.

Both kids did nothing wrong.

Yeah. A clock. That looked JUST like a bomb. The "clock" is a nice cover story....

Trust me Mark, when even Bill Fucking Mahr agrees with me, you know I'm right.

[AZGrizFan]

Generally its the libtards running the public schools, even in TX..

You are so wrong about this...
Texas teaches Creationism and that is some bible thunmpin' crazy talk



You're talkin' out your ass as usual BDKJMU

Except this was in Oregon, which I'm PRETTTTTTY sure is overrun with libtards.

[Ibanez]

Apparently you can. The "raghead" kid made a clock, and like most engineers he lacked common sense in bringing it to school the way he did.

Both kids did nothing wrong.

Yeah. A clock. That looked JUST like a bomb. The "clock" is a nice cover story....

If it was a white kid, you wouldn't have an issue. I think you're reaching here. I think your distrust of Middle Eastern people is clouding your reason and judgement. Not every Muslim is a terrorist.

[Ibanez]

You are so wrong about this...
Texas teaches Creationism and that is some bible thunmpin' crazy talk



You're talkin' out your ass as usual BDKJMU

Except this was in Oregon, which I'm PRETTTTTTY sure is overrun with libtards.

Overrun? You sure the conservatives haven't just been out-bred and relocated to Montana?

[Grizalltheway]

Common sense is sorely lacking on both sides of the spectrum these days.

[LeadBolt]

Common sense is sorely lacking on both sides of the spectrum these days.

Common sense is anything but common these days. It's not like the kid wore a confederate flag shirt or a black power shirt...

[89Hen]

Yeah. A clock. That looked JUST like a bomb. The "clock" is a nice cover story....

If it was a white kid, you wouldn't have an issue. I think you're reaching here. I think your distrust of Middle Eastern people is clouding your reason and judgement. Not every Muslim is a terrorist.

They're not, but it's not a reach in this case. His family history and the appearance of the "clock" make it not a reach IMO.

[89Hen]

Suspending him was correct but I think the kid made a righteous stand here.

I am going to have to strongly disagree on the suspension. The kid is making the right stand, nothing wrong with sticking up for yourself when you feel you are right. The reason I disagree with the suspension is the school administrators probably have no clue what the symbols on the shirt even mean. The knee jerk reaction of "It has a gun" is just that. The "Soldiers Cross" dates back to the civil war and while I am sure the exact pieces of it have changed, the meaning has not. This falls squarely under freedom of speech and this kids intent was good and he has every right to mourn and show his support/patriotism. There are certainly limits on freedom of speech but I really fail to see how this was a threat or something objectionable to anyone around the kid. I am not sure what scares me worse, the fact that this happened or the fact that these are the kind of people that are teaching our kids as they are truly clueless and incapable of using their brains.

+1

[kalm]

Suspending him was correct but I think the kid made a righteous stand here.

I am going to have to strongly disagree on the suspension. The kid is making the right stand, nothing wrong with sticking up for yourself when you feel you are right. The reason I disagree with the suspension is the school administrators probably have no clue what the symbols on the shirt even mean. The knee jerk reaction of "It has a gun" is just that. The "Soldiers Cross" dates back to the civil war and while I am sure the exact pieces of it have changed, the meaning has not. This falls squarely under freedom of speech and this kids intent was good and he has every right to mourn and show his support/patriotism. There are certainly limits on freedom of speech but I really fail to see how this was a threat or something objectionable to anyone around the kid. I am not sure what scares me worse, the fact that this happened or the fact that these are the kind of people that are teaching our kids as they are truly clueless and incapable of using their brains.

The Fallen Soldier Battle Cross, Battlefield Cross or Battle Cross is a symbolic replacement of a cross, or marker appropriate to an individual service-member's religion, on the battlefield or at the base camp for a soldier who has been killed. It is made up of the soldier's rifle stuck into the ground or into the soldier's boots, with helmet on top. Dog tags are sometimes placed on the rifle, and the boots of the dead soldier can be placed next to the rifle. The purpose is to show honor and respect for the dead at the battle site. The practice started during the American Civil War or maybe earlier as a means of identifying the bodies on the battleground before they were removed.

Today, it is an immediate means of showing respect for the dead among the still living members of the troop. It might be seen in the field or base camp after the battle in Afghanistan or Iraq. Used less today as a means to identify the dead but more as a private ceremony among those still living as a means to mourn, as attending the funeral is not always possible for soldiers still in the fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Cross

He refused to change his shirt. He protested and made a stand and the school had no choice. It worked out fine for everybody.

I'm no fan of zero tolerance policies in general. They let school administrators off the hook of having to make tough decisions. Just making everything against the rules and black and white is intellectually lazy.

But since they've decided gun imagery is not allowed, you have to draw the line or everyone is going to push the limits. He really left them no choice.

Besides, schools are not freedom zones. Believe it or not, I'd totally be in favor of school uniforms in public schools...for multiple reasons. It's the conk side of me.

[kalm]

You are so wrong about this...
Texas teaches Creationism and that is some bible thunmpin' crazy talk



You're talkin' out your ass as usual BDKJMU

Except this was in Oregon, which I'm PRETTTTTTY sure is overrun with libtards.

Boy are you stinking up this thread. The article Chizz quoted is based in Kyle.....Texas. And Bill Maher is as anti-muslim as Chizzang.

[89Hen]

But since they've decided gun imagery is not allowed, you have to draw the line or everyone is going to push the limits. He really left them no choice.

So you think his intent was to push the limits of the school policy?

[kalm]

If it was a white kid, you wouldn't have an issue. I think you're reaching here. I think your distrust of Middle Eastern people is clouding your reason and judgement. Not every Muslim is a terrorist.

They're not, but it's not a reach in this case. His family history and the appearance of the "clock" make it not a reach IMO.

What's in his family history that's suspicious? I haven't read up on it much.

[kalm]

But since they've decided gun imagery is not allowed, you have to draw the line or everyone is going to push the limits. He really left them no choice.

So you think his intent was to push the limits of the school policy?

I didn't say he did. I said others would. Read the rest of my post for context. Cough, cough zero tolerance policies...

[89Hen]

Would you ask somebody to change a shirt with this image?

[89Hen]

I didn't say he did. I said others would. Read the rest of my post for context. Cough, cough zero tolerance policies...

Do you think others would have noticed his shirt if they (school) didn't draw attention to it? IMO, more kids would be likely to try and push the limit NOW becuase they did this.