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The terrorist group, not the agency from Archer.

CNN, surprisingly, has a good article on them.
The mistake some make when viewing ISIS is to see it as a rational actor. Instead, as the magazine documents, its ideology is that of an apocalyptic cult that believes that we are living in the end times and that ISIS' actions are hastening the moment when this will happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/opinion/b ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Ibanez wrote:The terrorist group, not the agency from Archer.

CNN, surprisingly, has a good article on them.
The mistake some make when viewing ISIS is to see it as a rational actor. Instead, as the magazine documents, its ideology is that of an apocalyptic cult that believes that we are living in the end times and that ISIS' actions are hastening the moment when this will happen.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/16/opinion/b ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
NYT had something similar. Some of our involvement in Israel and the ME is based in Christian end times theology.
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They're doing a nice job of pissing off nearly everyone. Maybe they'll inflame the Russians and Chinese and we can make that place a glass factory.
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Ehhh...according to the commander-n-chief, they're just the JV team. :coffee:

Besides, the stupid spokescunt at the State Dept. has already figured it out...give them jobs. :rofl:

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Baldy wrote:Ehhh...according to the commander-n-chief, they're just the JV team. :coffee:

Besides, the stupid spokescunt at the State Dept. has already figured it out...give them jobs. :rofl:
You should thank Jesus every day for them, Ballsack; coming along just in time to help keep the Forever War going....definitely an easier sell than Ebola. :coffee:
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In other words, ISIS wants a Western ground force to invade Syria, as that will confirm the prophecy about Dabiq.


Which is why the West ought to go ahead and give them what they want and crush them. That's what would happen if the West...or even the US alone...went ahead and did it and that wouldn't fit in with their prophecy.

I've heard a couple of historians talking in very different venues...the Sean Hannity Radio Show and Chris Mathews Hardball...saying what I already knew. What these people are doing is basically consistent with Islam as it was originally established. It's how Islam spread initially. They're just acting like Muslims did early on.

The guy on Hannity said something I completely agree with. He said we need to just go ahead and crush them. And, he said, if they come back in five years we need to crush them again.

That's the way it works. This stuff of thinking we can do some stuff for some short time frame and end it all forever just isn't reality. This is a problem like termites or cockroaches. Whenever it shows up, exterminate. But the fact that you exterminate and suppress the problem for a while doesn't mean you're never going to have to do it again. At some point the Orkin man is going to have to go into action again.

And, no, it's not going to go away if we improve economic conditions, etc. That's not what the problem is in this case.

Of course we could go with the "final solution" with respect to Islam in general. That would solve the problem for those of us who aren't Muslims. It would work too. Once we killed all Muslims it'd be very unlikely that the problem would re-surface to a significant degree. But that'll never happen.

But you have to understand that Islam really does call for what ISIS is doing. THEY are the ones following the true faith. The "moderates" are like Episcopalians in the Christian Religion...trying to balance secular views with religious belief. When you're seeing ISIS you're seeing what Islam really is. It's not a "perversion" of a "great and peaceful religion."
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P.S. At the very least we need to be willing to publicly say that Islam is not good. If you want to practice it we have to let you due to the First Amendment. But it is a hateful, nonsensical religion at is core. It's more than just a matter of something like not believing in Evolution. It's a LOT worse. It's a "kill or enslave" anybody who doesn't "submit" thing.

Not like the Jesus stuff of "turn the other cheek" or "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword" or "If any household or town refuses to welcome you or listen to your message, shake its dust from your feet as you leave" preached by the central character of Christianity. When Christians commit atrocities it's valid to say they are not following the reported teachings of the central figure. That's not the case with Islam. These ISIS people are doing exactly what Mohammed told them to do.
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houndawg wrote:
Baldy wrote:Ehhh...according to the commander-n-chief, they're just the JV team. :coffee:

Besides, the stupid spokescunt at the State Dept. has already figured it out...give them jobs. :rofl:
You should thank Jesus every day for them, Ballsack; coming along just in time to help keep the Forever War going....definitely an easier sell than Ebola. :coffee:
Forever war? What the fuck are you talking about? I know it's hard to believe, but Obama is a bigger pussy than you. He isn't going to do anything but let ISIS metasticize. :coffee:
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Baldy wrote:Ehhh...according to the commander-n-chief, they're just the JV team. :coffee:

Besides, the stupid spokescunt at the State Dept. has already figured it out...give them jobs. :rofl:

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Here's an insightful article on ISIS from The Atlantic and the problems that many of us in the West have in understanding what drives the Islamic State:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/arc ... ts/384980/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Ibanez wrote:The terrorist group, not the agency from Archer.
I prefer the Isis from the 70s TV show.

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LeadBolt wrote:Here's an insightful article on ISIS from The Atlantic and the problems that many of us in the West have in understanding what drives the Islamic State:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/arc ... ts/384980/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Long. But very informative. :thumb:
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LeadBolt wrote:Here's an insightful article on ISIS from The Atlantic and the problems that many of us in the West have in understanding what drives the Islamic State:

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/arc ... ts/384980/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is that the same one referenced in my CNN article? If so, then yes, I agree. :thumb:
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Baldy wrote:
houndawg wrote:
You should thank Jesus every day for them, Ballsack; coming along just in time to help keep the Forever War going....definitely an easier sell than Ebola. :coffee:
Forever war? What the **** are you talking about? I know it's hard to believe, but Obama is a bigger pussy than you. He isn't going to do anything but let ISIS metasticize. :coffee:
Really? I missed the part where we pulled our troops. :coffee:

We're the world's biggest producer of oil now. Why are we over there at all? :?
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Baldy wrote:
houndawg wrote:
You should thank Jesus every day for them, Ballsack; coming along just in time to help keep the Forever War going....definitely an easier sell than Ebola. :coffee:
Forever war? What the fuck are you talking about? I know it's hard to believe, but Obama is a bigger pussy than you. He isn't going to do anything but let ISIS metasticize. :coffee:
Don't talk that way about your fellow chickenhawk. :ohno:
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JSO is absolutely right on this one, like it or not. Islam is a pock on the face of mankind and we need to go ahead and just get rid of them all and outlaw their satanistic religion. Sounds harsh, but it's a cancer that will never go away if we don't go ahead and treat it for good.
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93henfan wrote:JSO is absolutely right on this one, like it or not. Islam is a pock on the face of mankind and we need to go ahead and just get rid of them all and outlaw their satanistic religion. Sounds harsh, but it's a cancer that will never go away if we don't go ahead and treat it for good.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Baldy wrote: Forever war? What the **** are you talking about? I know it's hard to believe, but Obama is a bigger pussy than you. He isn't going to do anything but let ISIS metasticize. :coffee:
Don't talk that way about your fellow chickenhawk. :ohno:
Easy there Griz.. I wouldn't be surprised if ol' Ballsack is on his way to the recruiter right now.


Probably make a great messkit repairman.. :coffee:
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JohnStOnge wrote:
In other words, ISIS wants a Western ground force to invade Syria, as that will confirm the prophecy about Dabiq.


Which is why the West ought to go ahead and give them what they want and crush them. That's what would happen if the West...or even the US alone...went ahead and did it and that wouldn't fit in with their prophecy.

I've heard a couple of historians talking in very different venues...the Sean Hannity Radio Show and Chris Mathews Hardball...saying what I already knew. What these people are doing is basically consistent with Islam as it was originally established. It's how Islam spread initially. They're just acting like Muslims did early on.

The guy on Hannity said something I completely agree with. He said we need to just go ahead and crush them. And, he said, if they come back in five years we need to crush them again.

That's the way it works. This stuff of thinking we can do some stuff for some short time frame and end it all forever just isn't reality. This is a problem like termites or cockroaches. Whenever it shows up, exterminate. But the fact that you exterminate and suppress the problem for a while doesn't mean you're never going to have to do it again. At some point the Orkin man is going to have to go into action again.

And, no, it's not going to go away if we improve economic conditions, etc. That's not what the problem is in this case.

Of course we could go with the "final solution" with respect to Islam in general. That would solve the problem for those of us who aren't Muslims. It would work too. Once we killed all Muslims it'd be very unlikely that the problem would re-surface to a significant degree. But that'll never happen.

But you have to understand that Islam really does call for what ISIS is doing. THEY are the ones following the true faith. The "moderates" are like Episcopalians in the Christian Religion...trying to balance secular views with religious belief. When you're seeing ISIS you're seeing what Islam really is. It's not a "perversion" of a "great and peaceful religion."
...a glimpse behind the facade....how's things with you and the boys over at Stormfront, Johnny? :coffee:
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93henfan wrote:JSO is absolutely right on this one, like it or not. Islam is a pock on the face of mankind and we need to go ahead and just get rid of them all and outlaw their satanistic religion. Sounds harsh, but it's a cancer that will never go away if we don't go ahead and treat it for good.
Somewhat agreed with him until he brought up the christian propaganda. Christians, historically, have been worse and preach intolerance just as vile, just read the bible or listen to a republican politician. That they don't murder and torture people on a massive scale lately has nothing to do with its supposed moral superiority or written tenets, the majority of which call for people to accept Jesus/God as savior or die. :nod:

Christianity for now is tamed by science, commerce, capitalism, common sense, political philosophy, human secularism, logic, critical ethical inquiry and unfettered access to information - all of which do not exist in the muslim world. I believe a propaganda war would be the best way to go.

We don't need to militarily take them out. The middle east is a house of cards. They're reproducing at an astonishing rate even though they essentially do not produce food. Sooner or later they will starve to death and/or kill themselves through bread wars and disease. I give em 50 years, max.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Baldy wrote: Forever war? What the fuck are you talking about? I know it's hard to believe, but Obama is a bigger pussy than you. He isn't going to do anything but let ISIS metasticize. :coffee:
Don't talk that way about your fellow chickenhawk. :ohno:
Jizzfan turning on his boy? :shock: :rofl:

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Glad to hear some of you are willing to murder my family. :kisswink:
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∞∞∞ wrote:Glad to hear some of you are willing to murder my family. :kisswink:
They can't help being born into a religion that wants to kill everyone who's not a member of it. The good thing is, once my plan is in place to get rid of the religion, they can renounce it, like you have, and be allowed to live. :thumb:
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93henfan wrote:
∞∞∞ wrote:Glad to hear some of you are willing to murder my family. :kisswink:
They can't help being born into a religion that wants to kill everyone who's not a member of it. The good thing is, once my plan is in place to get rid of the religion, they can renounce it, like you have, and be allowed to live. :thumb:
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