Sebelius falling on her sword for ACA failures?

[ASUG8]

Before it even launched, red flags went up about the Obamacare website. Health insurance companies complained about it, and the site crashed during a test run. But nobody told the President of any of it, the nation's health chief told CNN.
Kathleen Sebelius said President Barack Obama didn't hear that there may be problems with the sign-up portal for his signature health care law until it went live on October 1. That's when the site nosedived into a technical abyss.

It's not like no one saw this coming. When the website crashed during a test run, just a few hundred users were on it.
But the Obama administration went ahead with the launch. Waiting was not an option, Sebelius said.
Report: Site failed ahead of rollout
"There are people in this country who have waited for decades for affordable health coverage for themselves and their families," she said.

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Seems like the president might have wanted some status updates over the last several years on his signature act.

[89Hen]

Seem like she is taking the fall. He is CIC however, not sure how he can't get a little on his shirt.

[DSUrocks07]

Seem like she is taking the fall. He is CIC however, not sure how he can't get a little on his shirt.

Oh its easy, "He's just one man, he can't be responsible for everything..."

But Bush was an evil dictator who was personally responsible for every since action that liberals despise.

[GannonFan]

I understand the need to find a fall guy (or person, as it would in this case) - someone always takes the fall for the President, that's just how it works. It just seems odd that they are doing such a poor job of it, though. Seriously, Obama knew nothing at all, zero, of the potential issues of the implementation until after or as it happened at launch? He can't be that isolated, can he? People have been discussing for years now the complicated task the programming was going to be to get all the different systems to easily talk to each other. To come out and say that Obama had no knowledge of anything is just a clumsy attempt to set up the fall guy and at worse, is just blatently dismissive of the public and assuming they should never be allowed to see any flaw in the President at all. I think most of us agree, except maybe Cappy, that Obama is still just a person and will not be perfect all the time. Why try to pretend otherwise?

[Bronco]

BHO is a liar
Has been from the start

Didn't know anything about his signature legislation...liar

Not surprised it is going to flop when the biggest Obama supporters on this site don't want anything to do with it.

Anyone sign up for it...anyone?

[Cap'n Cat]

For those of us who are in business and have seen multiple new program installs, we know that they are very rarely without glitches. The theme here is one that has been consistent throughout Obama's presidency - obstruction and interference. Conks could not prevent the law from passing, they could not prevent the Supreme Court from constitutionally legitimizing it and they couldn't prevent the re-election of President Obama. Therefore, instead of respecting the law and procedures, as they so constantly rail we should do, they work to trip up implementation by getting the citizenry riled up.

Not saying that Conks are involved in hacking the systems or anything like that. They ARE guilty, however, of the unnecessary and childish noise that campaigns loudly for its failure. To be sure, I am convinced that, were this a Conk program to register miscarriages for investigation of abortion and track the activities of gay citizens, Dems would be similarly noisy. However, the ACA is a law (born of Conks, btw) which is designed to help people and protect them from the predatory and discriminatory practices of, generally, dark Conk institutions.

Yeah, the glitches are ugly and perhaps better IT forethought would have prevented them, but they are not insurmountable. As to Conks, all they are doing is speculating about the dire consequences of the ACA. It hasn't even been implemented yet! That they already know it's a bad thing highlights another longstanding Conk "virtue" - arrogance to the extreme.

Enough shame to go around on both sides, but Conks need to set an example by taking their licking and, if there is to be rioting, do it after it fails. THEN, come up with something viable to replace it other than the status quo. Most suspect they won't and/or can't and that will be duly noted by voters.

As to Kathleen Sebelius, she is a fine administrator and exemplary public servant. The issues here are not comparable to WMD's in Iraq, by any stretch of even Conk imaginations.



The Cap'n hath spoken.

Long live Cap'n Cat.

[Cap'n Cat]

BHO is a liar
Has been from the start

Didn't know anything about his signature legislation...liar

Not surprised it is going to flop when the biggest Obama supporters on this site don't want anything to do with it.

Anyone sign up for it...anyone?

Read above and learn something, Idaho Freeman.

[D1B]

For those of us who are in business and have seen multiple new program installs, we know that they are very rarely without glitches. The theme here is one that has been consistent throughout Obama's presidency - obstruction and interference. Conks could not prevent the law from passing, they could not prevent the Supreme Court from constitutionally legitimizing it and they couldn't prevent the re-election of President Obama. Therefore, instead of respecting the law and procedures, as they so constantly rail we should do, they work to trip up implementation by getting the citizenry riled up.

Not saying that Conks are involved in hacking the systems or anything like that. They ARE guilty, however, of the unnecessary and childish noise that campaigns loudly for its failure. To be sure, I am convinced that, were this a Conk program to register miscarriages for investigation of abortion and track the activities of gay citizens, Dems would be similarly noisy. However, the ACA is a law (born of Conks, btw) which is designed to help people and protect them from the predatory and discriminatory practices of, generally, dark Conk institutions.

Yeah, the glitches are ugly and perhaps better IT forethought would have prevented them, but they are not insurmountable. As to Conks, all they are doing is speculating about the dire consequences of the ACA. It hasn't even been implemented yet! That they already know it's a bad thing highlights another longstanding Conk "virtue" - arrogance to the extreme.

Enough shame to go around on both sides, but Conks need to set an example by taking their licking and, if there is to be rioting, do it after it fails. THEN, come up with something viable to replace it other than the status quo. Most suspect they won't and/or can't and that will be duly noted by voters.

As to Kathleen Sebelius, she is a fine administrator and exemplary public servant. The issues here are not comparable to WMD's in Iraq, by any stretch of even Conk imaginations.



The Cap'n hath spoken.

Long live Cap'n Cat.

[HI54UNI]

For those of us who are in business and have seen multiple new program installs, we know that they are very rarely without glitches. The theme here is one that has been consistent throughout Obama's presidency - obstruction and interference. Conks could not prevent the law from passing, they could not prevent the Supreme Court from constitutionally legitimizing it and they couldn't prevent the re-election of President Obama. Therefore, instead of respecting the law and procedures, as they so constantly rail we should do, they work to trip up implementation by getting the citizenry riled up.

Not saying that Conks are involved in hacking the systems or anything like that. They ARE guilty, however, of the unnecessary and childish noise that campaigns loudly for its failure. To be sure, I am convinced that, were this a Conk program to register miscarriages for investigation of abortion and track the activities of gay citizens, Dems would be similarly noisy. However, the ACA is a law (born of Conks, btw) which is designed to help people and protect them from the predatory and discriminatory practices of, generally, dark Conk institutions.

Yeah, the glitches are ugly and perhaps better IT forethought would have prevented them, but they are not insurmountable. As to Conks, all they are doing is speculating about the dire consequences of the ACA. It hasn't even been implemented yet! That they already know it's a bad thing highlights another longstanding Conk "virtue" - arrogance to the extreme.

Enough shame to go around on both sides, but Conks need to set an example by taking their licking and, if there is to be rioting, do it after it fails. THEN, come up with something viable to replace it other than the status quo. Most suspect they won't and/or can't and that will be duly noted by voters.

As to Kathleen Sebelius, she is a fine administrator and exemplary public servant. The issues here are not comparable to WMD's in Iraq, by any stretch of even Conk imaginations.



The Cap'n hath spoken.

Long live Cap'n Cat.

I'll respond to your troll post in typical Capn Cat fashion.

[HI54UNI]

In any private business a person would be fired for incompetence if they launched a software system this large and important with only 5 days of testing.

[Cap'n Cat]

In any private business a person would be fired for incompetence if they launched a software system this large and important with only 5 days of testing.

Maybe at your bar, Fiver, but not always elsewhere. And, typical of Conks, you're mountain/mole hilling. Installation of a $300,000 enterprise management system at a Mason City co-op is nothing compared to the ACA.

Sadly, you're one of them.

[Cap'n Cat]

For those of us who are in business and have seen multiple new program installs, we know that they are very rarely without glitches. The theme here is one that has been consistent throughout Obama's presidency - obstruction and interference. Conks could not prevent the law from passing, they could not prevent the Supreme Court from constitutionally legitimizing it and they couldn't prevent the re-election of President Obama. Therefore, instead of respecting the law and procedures, as they so constantly rail we should do, they work to trip up implementation by getting the citizenry riled up.

Not saying that Conks are involved in hacking the systems or anything like that. They ARE guilty, however, of the unnecessary and childish noise that campaigns loudly for its failure. To be sure, I am convinced that, were this a Conk program to register miscarriages for investigation of abortion and track the activities of gay citizens, Dems would be similarly noisy. However, the ACA is a law (born of Conks, btw) which is designed to help people and protect them from the predatory and discriminatory practices of, generally, dark Conk institutions.

Yeah, the glitches are ugly and perhaps better IT forethought would have prevented them, but they are not insurmountable. As to Conks, all they are doing is speculating about the dire consequences of the ACA. It hasn't even been implemented yet! That they already know it's a bad thing highlights another longstanding Conk "virtue" - arrogance to the extreme.

Enough shame to go around on both sides, but Conks need to set an example by taking their licking and, if there is to be rioting, do it after it fails. THEN, come up with something viable to replace it other than the status quo. Most suspect they won't and/or can't and that will be duly noted by voters.

As to Kathleen Sebelius, she is a fine administrator and exemplary public servant. The issues here are not comparable to WMD's in Iraq, by any stretch of even Conk imaginations.



The Cap'n hath spoken.

Long live Cap'n Cat.

I'll respond to your troll post in typical Capn Cat fashion.

Because you have trouble refuting it. You know I'm mostly right, but can't bring yourself to admit it. You've been caught in your Conk web of deceit, mon ami!

[HI54UNI]

In any private business a person would be fired for incompetence if they launched a software system this large and important with only 5 days of testing.

Maybe at your bar, Fiver, but not always elsewhere. And, typical of Conks, you're mountain/mole hilling. Installation of a $300,000 enterprise management system at a Mason City co-op is nothing compared to the ACA.

Sadly, you're one of them.

Thanks for proving my point. In my last job we underwent 3 months of testing for a $30,000 software package that handles billing and accounting for an organization with 1200 customers and a $7 million budget. ACA impacts, at a minimum 30 million uninsured people, and they only spent 5 days testing?



I only did one because my finger still hurts from all that clicking the last time. My god man how do you do it?

[Cap'n Cat]

Maybe at your bar, Fiver, but not always elsewhere. And, typical of Conks, you're mountain/mole hilling. Installation of a $300,000 enterprise management system at a Mason City co-op is nothing compared to the ACA.

Sadly, you're one of them.

Thanks for proving my point. In my last job we underwent 3 months of testing for a $30,000 software package that handles billing and accounting for an organization with 1200 customers and a $7 million budget. ACA impacts, at a minimum 30 million uninsured people, and they only spent 5 days testing?

And thanks for proving my point......with your one piece of data.

Fiver, we could argue til we're blue in the face about it. I know how you feel (or, rather, how Limbaugh, Hannity and McConnell have told you to feel), but some of us just ain't buying the Conk shitstorm over ACA. Things will get worked out and we will be a better nation for it.

Your stock in pharmas after it's up and running? Can't do anything about the free fall there when they can't gouge any longer. Sorry.

[SDHornet]

I lol'd when you used "glitches" Cappy. The website has systemic failure plain and simple. $500M down the drain for a site that crashes with only a few thousand users going at it; "glitches" my harry asshole.

[Cap'n Cat]

And another thing!

President Obama manned up and acknowledged the problems.

How would W and his henchmen respond to issues with the rollout of, let's just say, their massive Uber Patriot Act, a nationwide system in which Conks could report to his federal government on the activities of immigrant/gay/female/Democrat/atheist/black/Arab/Muslim/homeless people in their communities?

Picturing Rummy at the mike denying and deflecting like the motherfucker he is.

[Cap'n Cat]

I lol'd when you used "glitches" Cappy. The website has systemic failure plain and simple. $500M down the drain for a site that crashes with only a few thousand users going at it; "glitches" my harry asshole.

One man's glitch is another's abject failure, Horny. It's the world we live in, son. Believe it or not, I'm laughing along with you at the hullabaloo on both sides.

[SDHornet]

Nice deflection. 3 years Cappy, 3 fucking years to get a stupid website up. Obama should have used his brain and went to Silicon Valley and not some dumb ass French Canadian company (the same company that failed at getting Canada's healthcare website up and running). His signature legislation and its roll out is going down in a fiery crash rivaling the Hindenburg. Fucking hilarious bro.

[Cap'n Cat]

Nice deflection. 3 years Cappy, 3 fucking years to get a stupid website up. Obama should have used his brain and went to Silicon Valley and not some dumb ass French Canadian company (the same company that failed at getting Canada's healthcare website up and running). His signature legislation and its roll out is going down in a fiery crash rivaling the Hindenburg. Fucking hilarious bro.

Nice deflection, yourself, Horny. Not even implemented and for those three "fucking" years, you and your Conk friends have been mindlessly flailing away in a failed attempt to put it to death. When it comes up, and it will, it will be the greatest social program since the GI Bill.




Edit: Flailing away with no proposed alternative than the stinky and abusive status quo!

[AZGrizFan]

For those of us who are in business and have seen multiple new program installs, we know that they are very rarely without glitches. The theme here is one that has been consistent throughout Obama's presidency - obstruction and interference. Conks could not prevent the law from passing, they could not prevent the Supreme Court from constitutionally legitimizing it and they couldn't prevent the re-election of President Obama. Therefore, instead of respecting the law and procedures, as they so constantly rail we should do, they work to trip up implementation by getting the citizenry riled up.

Not saying that Conks are involved in hacking the systems or anything like that. They ARE guilty, however, of the unnecessary and childish noise that campaigns loudly for its failure. To be sure, I am convinced that, were this a Conk program to register miscarriages for investigation of abortion and track the activities of gay citizens, Dems would be similarly noisy. However, the ACA is a law (born of Conks, btw) which is designed to help people and protect them from the predatory and discriminatory practices of, generally, dark Conk institutions.

Yeah, the glitches are ugly and perhaps better IT forethought would have prevented them, but they are not insurmountable. As to Conks, all they are doing is speculating about the dire consequences of the ACA. It hasn't even been implemented yet! That they already know it's a bad thing highlights another longstanding Conk "virtue" - arrogance to the extreme.

Enough shame to go around on both sides, but Conks need to set an example by taking their licking and, if there is to be rioting, do it after it fails. THEN, come up with something viable to replace it other than the status quo. Most suspect they won't and/or can't and that will be duly noted by voters.

As to Kathleen Sebelius, she is a fine administrator and exemplary public servant. The issues here are not comparable to WMD's in Iraq, by any stretch of even Conk imaginations.



The Cap'n hath spoken.

Long live Cap'n Cat.

Translation:
Even when it's not the conks fault, it's the conks fault.

[SDHornet]

Thanks for proving my point. 3 years and this Administration can't even get the website right. So what makes you think the rest of this program will go on without any other "glitches".

BTW I'm a registered Donk. I just don't blindly go along with the status quo like the sheeple do.

[ASUG8]

I lol'd when you used "glitches" Cappy. The website has systemic failure plain and simple. $500M down the drain for a site that crashes with only a few thousand users going at it; "glitches" my harry asshole.

One man's glitch is another's abject failure, Horny. It's the world we live in, son. Believe it or not, I'm laughing along with you at the hullabaloo on both sides.

I get trying to protect your boy, Cappy....however....toss in little/no claimed knowledge of F&F, Benghazi, AP wiretaps, IRS targeting of republicans, etc. that he didn't know about from his inner circle of Atty General and Sec. of State and you have to wonder if he's simply detached, not listening, or doesn't have the feedback structure in place to understand the status on some very high profile issues. I understand he has a full plate, but I swear to god this guy has a teflon suit until it comes down to positives in his adminstration.

And for the record, Obama didn't "man up" and acknowledge the problem until tens of thousands of US citizens couldn't get the insurance his plan mandated. Public insurance program <> Patriot Act.

[blueballs]

0bama can't lay this one on the GOP or anybody else... it has his name on it. To quote the hero of the left Alan Grayson, he's got to "wear it."

As for Bush, he would start a war to deflect attention... nothing like whippin' some rag head ass to rile up the patriots and get everybody behind him so they could advance the real agenda- whatever that is.

Let's see if 0bama comes up with something to distract everybody... this fiasco will eat him alive politically otherwise.... despite the media's best attempts to stonewall, shield, and deflect on his behalf, as G8 mentioned. There IS a pattern here... Solyndra, FISA, NSA, AP phone records, James Rosen, IRS, Benghazi... it just goes on and on...

[Cap'n Cat]

0bama can't lay this one on the GOP or anybody else... it has his name on it. To quote the hero of the left Alan Grayson, he's got to "wear it."

As for Bush, he would start a war to deflect attention... nothing like whippin' some rag head ass to rile up the patriots and get everybody behind him so they could advance the real agenda- whatever that is.

Let's see if 0bama comes up with something to distract everybody... this fiasco will eat him alive politically otherwise.

Much as I love you, P, this whole deal is another hallmark of Conk v. Obama - anger over the fact that the guy hasn't been touched, even remotely, by any scandal. Good president, trying to do the right thing.... and succeeding in the face of a withering Conk onslaught.

[89Hen]

For those of us who are in business and have seen multiple new program installs, we know that they are very rarely without glitches. The theme here is one that has been consistent throughout Obama's presidency - obstruction and interference. Conks could not prevent the law from passing, they could not prevent the Supreme Court from constitutionally legitimizing it and they couldn't prevent the re-election of President Obama. Therefore, instead of respecting the law and procedures, as they so constantly rail we should do, they work to trip up implementation by getting the citizenry riled up.

That's a nice story Cat. 1 in 10 people who tried to sign up were successful. That doesn't need any embelishment. It is so bad even left wing Jon Stewart couldn't lay off. That's saying something.