New Rule: Conservatives who love to brag about American exceptionalism must come here to California, and see it in person. And then they should be afraid -- very afraid. Because while the rest of the country is beset by stories of right-wing takeovers in places like North Carolina, Texas and Wisconsin, California is going in the opposite direction and creating the kind of modern, liberal nation the country as a whole can only dream about. And not only can't the rest of the country stop us -- we're going to drag you along with us.
It wasn't that long ago that pundits were calling California a failed state and saying it was ungovernable. But in 2010, when other states were busy electing whatever Tea Partier claimed to hate government the most, we elected a guy who actually liked it, Jerry Brown.
Since then, everything Republicans say can't or won't work -- gun control, immigration reform, high-speed rail -- California is making work. And everything conservatives claim will unravel the fabric of our society -- universal healthcare, higher taxes on the rich, gay marriage, medical marijuana -- has only made California stronger. And all we had to do to accomplish that was vote out every single Republican. Without a Republican governor and without a legislature being cock-blocked by Republicans, a $27 billion deficit was turned into a surplus, continuing the proud American tradition of Republicans blowing a huge hole in the budget and then Democrats coming in and cleaning it up.
How was Governor Moonbeam able to do this? It's amazing, really. We did something economists call cutting spending AND raising taxes. I know, it sounds like some crazy science fiction story, but you see, here in California, we're not just gluten-free and soy-free and peanut-free, we're Tea Party free! Virginia could do it, too, but they're too busy forcing ultrasounds on women who want abortions. Texas could, but they don't because they're too busy putting Jesus in the science textbooks. Meanwhile their state is so broke they want to replace paved roads with gravel. I thought we had this road-paving thing licked in the 1930s, but not in Texas. But hey, in Dallas you can carry a rifle into a Chuck E. Cheese, cause that's freedom. Which is great, but it wasn't so great when that unregulated fertilizer plant in Waco blew up. In California, when things blow up, it's because we're making a Jason Statham movie.
California isn't perfect, but it is in our nature from being on the new coast to be up for trying new things -- and maybe that's why the right wingers are always hoping we fail. On the campaign trail last year, Mitt Romney warned that if we didn't follow his conservative path, "America is going to become like Greece, or... Spain, or Italy, or... California." And that was a big laugh line with Mormons, because Greece, Spain and Italy have some art and poetry and theatre, but nothing like Salt Lake City. Yes, Mitt sure hates California, which is why he moved to San Diego. To the house with the car elevator.
What conservatives fear about California being a petri dish for the liberal agenda is well-founded. For example, as Obamacare gets implemented here much more successfully than predicted, the movement to just go all the way to a single payer system is gathering steam. It actually passed the legislature twice, but was vetoed by Schwarzenegger, who argued it didn't go far enough to cover the children of that natural, beautiful love between a man and a cleaning lady.
In lots of areas, California seems to have decided not to wait around for the knuckle-draggers and the selfish libertarian states to get on board. They can mock "European style democracies" all they want, we are building one here, and people like it -- the same way when Americans come back from a vacation in Europe they all say the same thing: "Wow, you can see titties on the beach!" But they also remark on the clean air, the modern, first world infrastructure, the functioning social safety net, and bread that doesn't taste like powdered glue. And they wonder, "Why can't we get that here?" Unless they're Republicans, in which case they wonder, "How can people live like that?"
Well, swallow hard, guys, because California is eventually going to make all Americans live like that. Why? Because we're huge. The 12th largest economy in the world, the fifth largest agricultural exporter in the world, and of course number one in laser vaginal rejuvenation. There's 40 million of us -- so, for example, when California set a high mileage standard for any car sold in this state, Detroit had to make more fuel-efficient cars; we're just too big a slice of the market, and it would be too expensive to make one car for us, and another for shit-kickers who want something that runs on coal.
It's so ironic -- the two things conservatives love the most, the free market and states rights -- are the two things that are going to bend this country into California's image as a socialist fagtopia. Maybe our constipated Congress can't pass gun control laws, but we just did. Lots of 'em. Because we don't give a shit about the NRA. Out here that stands for "Nuts, Racists, and Assholes." So while the rest of America is debating whether it's a good idea to allow guns in bars or a great idea to allow guns in bars, California banned lead bullets. Which is a no-brainer, because bullets don't need lead, and lead kills birds and gets into the food supply of people who hunt their own food. Which explains why Ted Nugent is such a raving lunatic.
While other state governments are working with Jesus to make abortion more miserable -- because otherwise women would use it for weight loss -- California is making it easier. We actually have a guy dancing on the street corner dressed as the Statue of Liberty spinning a big arrow that says, "Abortions!" And a new law will even let nurse practitioners perform abortions. And dog groomers can aid assisted suicides by Skype.
California was the first state to legalize medical marijuana, our minimum wage is almost three dollars higher than the national rate, and in 10 years a third of our electricity will come from renewable energy and 15 percent of our cars will be electric.
And while Republicans in the rest of the country are threatening to deport every immigrant not named Ted Cruz, California just OK'd driver's licenses for undocumented aliens. That's right, we're letting them drive cars -- just like white people! You Red Staters may ask, "How come they're lettin' Meskins drive?" Well, it's because they have to get to their jobs. You see, here in California we're embracing the modern world -- we can't be worrying about all the nonsense that keeps Fox News viewers up at night when they should be in bed adjusting their sleep apnea mask. Our state motto is, "We're Too Busy for Your Bullshit."
The bottom line is that we are moving the country's largest economy into a place where we can all be health-insured, clean air-breathin', gay-married, immigrant-friendly citizens who don't get shot all the time. And my message to the rest of America is: do not resist. Kneel before Zod! California has been setting the trends in America for decades, from Silicon Valley to silicone tits, and it's not going to stop now. We say jump -- you say, "Please sell me new exercise clothes for jumping." We said put cilantro in food, and dammit, you did, you put cilantro in food, even though neither one of us knows what it is. Almond milk? We just had some extra almonds and thought we'd fuck with you. The enormous earlobe hole? You're welcome. We also invented the genius bar, where the kid with the enormous earlobe hole takes your MacBook in the back and fills it with animal pornography.
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to finish your title:
"is a fucking idiot."
"is a fucking idiot."
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Really...GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:to finish your title:
"is a fucking idiot."
He's a lot of things, but Idiot..?
Sure, you don't like him - I get that - I don't like Rush Limbaugh, but that doesn't make Rush an Idiot
I'd wager all my money Bill Maher is about 2 x smarter than you are
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No, no he isn't. You can't come to the flawed conclusions he does and be 2x smarter than me.Chizzang wrote:Really...GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:to finish your title:
"is a fucking idiot."
He's a lot of things, but Idiot..?
Sure, you don't like him - I get that - I don't like Rush Limbaugh, but that doesn't make Rush an Idiot
I'd wager all my money Bill Maher is about 2 x smarter than you are
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yes... you canGrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:No, no he isn't. You can't come to the flawed conclusions he does and be 2x smarter than me.Chizzang wrote:
Really...
He's a lot of things, but Idiot..?
Sure, you don't like him - I get that - I don't like Rush Limbaugh, but that doesn't make Rush an Idiot
I'd wager all my money Bill Maher is about 2 x smarter than you are
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When a lot of red states in the heartland (think North Dakota) weathered the worst part of the recession better than almost every blue state, it was because of the type of economies that those states have. Now that California seems to be on the rebound (Thanks QEs 1 through 3!) it's all due to ideological differences.
By the way, how is California managing the pension crisis for a lot of local and state workers?
By the way, how is California managing the pension crisis for a lot of local and state workers?
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RE: Texas:
So yes, Maher is an idiot.Two years later, as lawmakers met Tuesday for the opening of the Legislature, the state’s financial picture was not nearly as dire. A boom in revenues from sales taxes as well as taxes from oil and natural gas production have given Texas a budget surplus that the state comptroller has estimated at $8.8 billion.
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And what flawed conclusions would those be...?GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:No, no he isn't. You can't come to the flawed conclusions he does and be 2x smarter than me.Chizzang wrote:
Really...
He's a lot of things, but Idiot..?
Sure, you don't like him - I get that - I don't like Rush Limbaugh, but that doesn't make Rush an Idiot
I'd wager all my money Bill Maher is about 2 x smarter than you are
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Bankruptcy. It's the donk way. Just ask Detroit.Pwns wrote:When a lot of red states in the heartland (think North Dakota) weathered the worst part of the recession better than almost every blue state, it was because of the type of economies that those states have. Now that California seems to be on the rebound (Thanks QEs 1 through 3!) it's all due to ideological differences.![]()
By the way, how is California managing the pension crisis for a lot of local and state workers?
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No doubt it has improved. But he must've forgot the last one about the pension problems.


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There is a basic problem with recent news accounts and analyses that note the gains in state tax revenues and conclude California is back on firm ground financially. The claim is just not true. And it’s a myth that will promote new rounds of irresponsibility and denial in Sacramento.
Yes, the Legislative Analyst’s Office says revenue is running $3.2 billion higher than expected for this fiscal year. Yes, a likely result is that schools will get more money, some state services may be restored and perhaps the wave of tuition hikes at state colleges will stop.
But California is far from being in good fiscal health. When Gov. Jerry Brown talks about reducing the “wall of debt” he inherited upon taking office three years ago, he leaves out huge problems — problems that Sacramento has either not addressed or barely addressed:
• $87 billion in unfunded liabilities for the California Public Employees’ Retirement System. The $87 billion would be far higher if not for the rosy investment assumptions used by CalPERS.
• $73 billion in unfunded liabilities for the California State Teachers’ Retirement System, a sum that increases a staggering $6 billion a year. The $73 billion would be far higher if not for the rosy investment assumptions by CalSTRS.
• $64 billion in unfunded liabilities for health insurance coverage guaranteed to retired employees.
• $8.2 billion in money borrowed from the federal government to replenish the state’s broke unemployment compensation fund. California only pays the interest on the debt.
This list could be longer. There are other substantial debts and liabilities. And there are extremely costly future financial obligations, starting with the state bill for Obamacare after initial federal subsidies are phased out and regulatory edicts on water pollution.
But our point is plain. The state of California is awash in red ink, and even the red ink that is acknowledged is camouflaged with accounting gimmicks.
This ugly picture is why the governor is right to push back at Democratic lawmakers who want to spend any unexpected revenue instead of putting it in reserve. This ugly picture is why the governor is wrong to offer happy talk and go along with media analyses that depict California as on the right track.
We won’t be on the right track without much more sweeping pension reform to contain the coming calamities at CalPERS and CalSTRS. We won’t be on the right track until someone offers up a realistic plan to pay for the health coverage of retired public employees. And we won’t be on the right track unless we have a sustained growth in revenue driven by a broadly healthy private-sector economy, not by bubbles in real estate or technology.
This is what Jerry Brown should be telling the public instead of taking victory laps for a victory that doesn’t exist.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jun ... -finances/
Yes, the Legislative Analyst’s Office says revenue is running $3.2 billion higher than expected for this fiscal year. Yes, a likely result is that schools will get more money, some state services may be restored and perhaps the wave of tuition hikes at state colleges will stop.
But California is far from being in good fiscal health. When Gov. Jerry Brown talks about reducing the “wall of debt” he inherited upon taking office three years ago, he leaves out huge problems — problems that Sacramento has either not addressed or barely addressed:
• $87 billion in unfunded liabilities for the California Public Employees’ Retirement System. The $87 billion would be far higher if not for the rosy investment assumptions used by CalPERS.
• $73 billion in unfunded liabilities for the California State Teachers’ Retirement System, a sum that increases a staggering $6 billion a year. The $73 billion would be far higher if not for the rosy investment assumptions by CalSTRS.
• $64 billion in unfunded liabilities for health insurance coverage guaranteed to retired employees.
• $8.2 billion in money borrowed from the federal government to replenish the state’s broke unemployment compensation fund. California only pays the interest on the debt.
This list could be longer. There are other substantial debts and liabilities. And there are extremely costly future financial obligations, starting with the state bill for Obamacare after initial federal subsidies are phased out and regulatory edicts on water pollution.
But our point is plain. The state of California is awash in red ink, and even the red ink that is acknowledged is camouflaged with accounting gimmicks.
This ugly picture is why the governor is right to push back at Democratic lawmakers who want to spend any unexpected revenue instead of putting it in reserve. This ugly picture is why the governor is wrong to offer happy talk and go along with media analyses that depict California as on the right track.
We won’t be on the right track without much more sweeping pension reform to contain the coming calamities at CalPERS and CalSTRS. We won’t be on the right track until someone offers up a realistic plan to pay for the health coverage of retired public employees. And we won’t be on the right track unless we have a sustained growth in revenue driven by a broadly healthy private-sector economy, not by bubbles in real estate or technology.
This is what Jerry Brown should be telling the public instead of taking victory laps for a victory that doesn’t exist.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jun ... -finances/
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I'm not arguing any ideological perspective
I'm simply pointing out that just because you (See Stuck in Utah) don't like somebody
and don't agree with somebody / That does not "make them an idiot"
That's probably one of the biggest flaws in this Left/Right debates today
The idea that anybody who doesn't see the world just like me: Is by default an Idiot
I'm simply pointing out that just because you (See Stuck in Utah) don't like somebody
and don't agree with somebody / That does not "make them an idiot"
That's probably one of the biggest flaws in this Left/Right debates today
The idea that anybody who doesn't see the world just like me: Is by default an Idiot
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He's "Moonbeam". He's on a roll.HI54UNI wrote: But our point is plain. The state of California is awash in red ink, and even the red ink that is acknowledged is camouflaged with accounting gimmicks.
This ugly picture is why the governor is right to push back at Democratic lawmakers who want to spend any unexpected revenue instead of putting it in reserve. This ugly picture is why the governor is wrong to offer happy talk and go along with media analyses that depict California as on the right track.
We won’t be on the right track without much more sweeping pension reform to contain the coming calamities at CalPERS and CalSTRS. We won’t be on the right track until someone offers up a realistic plan to pay for the health coverage of retired public employees. And we won’t be on the right track unless we have a sustained growth in revenue driven by a broadly healthy private-sector economy, not by bubbles in real estate or technology.
This is what Jerry Brown should be telling the public instead of taking victory laps for a victory that doesn’t exist.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/jun ... -finances/
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Tell that to Donald Trump...AZGrizFan wrote:
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Wow, i'm right, your wrong. No wonder we elect children into Congress.
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I don't know whether Maher is smart, but like most political hacks and ideological apologists, he is shallow, hypocritical, subjective and disingenuous. Billy seems to enjoy his confirmation bias.Chizzang wrote:I'm not arguing any ideological perspective
I'm simply pointing out that just because you (See Stuck in Utah) don't like somebody
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That's probably one of the biggest flaws in this Left/Right debates today
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Maher seems to believe those that don't agree with HIM are idiots....what's good for the goose, eh Chizzy?In lots of areas, California seems to have decided not to wait around for the knuckle-draggers and the selfish libertarian states to get on board. .
Because we don't give a shit about the NRA. Out here that stands for "Nuts, Racists, and Assholes."
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Nice red herring. We're talking government here.Chizzang wrote:Tell that to Donald Trump...AZGrizFan wrote:
Bankruptcy. It's the donk way. Just ask Detroit.
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We are..?AZGrizFan wrote:Nice red herring. We're talking government here.Chizzang wrote:
Tell that to Donald Trump...
Is Detroit the government?
Well then I guess all those Bain Capital bankruptcy's then don't count either
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Yup, unfortunately, it's what passes for political thought in our country. Each side believes they are absolutely correct and the other side, if not evil, is just completely wrong. Our message board culture isn't the best for bipartisan political dialogue.Ibanez wrote:Wow, i'm right, your wrong. No wonder we elect children into Congress.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -last.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;“There’s some doubt that high income taxpayers won’t either move to Nevada—or some other low or no-income tax state—or find other ways, such as delaying realization of cap gains, to avoid hefty new surtaxes—especially since their federal taxes are also increasing,” emails the Sacramento Bee’s Dan Walters. “California’s marginal income tax rate (federal plus state) is now highest in U.S. at highest level, about 52 percent.”
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Detroit is A government. You're just playing dumb now, aren't you...Chizzang wrote:We are..?AZGrizFan wrote:
Nice red herring. We're talking government here.
Is Detroit the government?
Well then I guess all those Bain Capital bankruptcy's then don't count either
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It's funny that Maher frequently (and absurdly) calls himself a libertarian but disparages "selfish" libertarian states. It's just this sort of thing that make many believe Maher is an idiot.AZGrizFan wrote:Maher seems to believe those that don't agree with HIM are idiots....what's good for the goose, eh Chizzy?In lots of areas, California seems to have decided not to wait around for the knuckle-draggers and the selfish libertarian states to get on board. .
Because we don't give a shit about the NRA. Out here that stands for "Nuts, Racists, and Assholes."
lead kills birds and gets into the food supply of people who hunt their own food. Which explains why Ted Nugent is such a raving lunatic.
You Red Staters may ask, "How come they're lettin' Meskins drive?" Well, it's because they have to get to their jobs. You see, here in California we're embracing the modern world -- we can't be worrying about all the nonsense that keeps Fox News viewers up at night when they should be in bed adjusting their sleep apnea mask. Our state motto is, "We're Too Busy for Your Bullshit."
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