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#1 - Stockton Bankruptcy, What do you know public pensions

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There has been much posted in this forum about the relative compensation of public and private employees in this forum. Well…

The city of Stockton CA is declaring bankruptcy. There are several reasons, not the least of which, is that the city’s cost for retiree benefits. From the WSJ:
“The average firefighter costs the city about $157,000 a year in pay and benefits and can retire at age 50 with a pension equal to 90% of his highest year’s salary plus nearly free lifetime health benefits.”


I don’t know what the average salary is at 50 years of age when union public employees retire, but it would certainly be somewhat higher than the 157K$ average.

Actually it much worse than that! Union and many other employees can spike their pensions in CA by adding all unused sick leave, vacation, uniform allowance, car allowance, CTO etc. to their last years salary from which their pensions are calculated. Police and fire pensions are sometime as high as 124% of their pre-retirement salary at age 50.

BTW, this is the standard retirement package for most union employees throughout the state including city and county, with some but few exceptions.

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So:
What do your public employees retire at?
Do you have spiking or did you even know about it?
Are you going to retire at 50 at between 150 to 200 K$/yr.?
Should the city be cutting services to provide these kinds of benefits?
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LOL....let all of those cities go bankrupt.

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WC(b) :coffee:
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Many states & cities are in the same boat. Even the Federal Government has issues, may I present the US Postal Service as the prime example.... :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
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CAA Flagship wrote:WC(b) :coffee:
Newark. :coffee:
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What do you mean by "IS declaring" bankruptcy?

This is old news. It happened at least a year or two ago, and isn't the whole story.

Quit passing around years-old bogus stories....
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Grizalltheway wrote:
CAA Flagship wrote:WC(b) :coffee:
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Stockton, San Francisco, and other cities/counties in CA were offering lifetime 100% employer (taxpayer) paid healthcare to employees, and employee's family for life before the meltdown. All you had to do is not get fired within first 5 years.
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SuperHornet wrote:What do you mean by "IS declaring" bankruptcy?

This is old news. It happened at least a year or two ago, and isn't the whole story.

Quit passing around years-old bogus stories....
Oh Oh, sorry, didn't mean to thrreaten your pension!
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Trapped in CA wrote:Stockton, San Francisco, and other cities/counties in CA were offering lifetime 100% employer (taxpayer) paid healthcare to employees, and employee's family for life before the meltdown. All you had to do is not get fired within first 5 years.
San Francisco was on the nightly news a couple of weeks ago. The city is going to hire about half a dozen new police officers. The requirements are be 21 y.o. and have GED. The city website was taken down by people trying to down load applications.
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Probably 95% of the Oakland PD were downloading from their desk/car computers
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