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“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.” - Eric Holder

Holder memo to Rand Paul:
http://www.lawfareblog.com/wp-content/u ... FromAG.pdf
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Just aim it at Eric Holder. :twocents:
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Ivytalk wrote:Just aim it at Eric Holder. :twocents:
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93henfan wrote:“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.” - Eric Holder

Holder memo to Rand Paul:
http://www.lawfareblog.com/wp-content/u ... FromAG.pdf
Ok Constitutional CS scholars, please provide what article or amendment of the Constitution this would be allowable.
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Ivytalk wrote:Just aim it at Eric Holder. :twocents:
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SDHornet wrote:
93henfan wrote:“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.” - Eric Holder

Holder memo to Rand Paul:
http://www.lawfareblog.com/wp-content/u ... FromAG.pdf
Ok Constitutional CS scholars, please provide what article or amendment of the Constitution this would be allowable.
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Can we get Alberto Gonzalez or John Ashcroft back in the AG position, please?
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mrklean wrote:Fox News :thumb:
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Ivytalk wrote:
mrklean wrote:Fox News :thumb:
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SDHornet wrote:
93henfan wrote:“It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States.” - Eric Holder

Holder memo to Rand Paul:
http://www.lawfareblog.com/wp-content/u ... FromAG.pdf
Ok Constitutional CS scholars, please provide what article or amendment of the Constitution this would be allowable.
President Lincoln used lethal force within the territory of the United States.

The Union never recognized the Confederacy as a sovereign state; therefore, there was no congressional declaration of war.

President Lincoln declared the Southern army to be in rebellion against the United States and under the control of a "belligerent" domestic aggressor.

In the Prize Cases, 67 U.S. (2 Black) 635, 670 (1862), the United States Supreme Court held that President Lincoln alone had the authority "in fulfilling his duties as Commander in Chief" under Article 2, Section II of the Constitution to determine whether to deem the Confederacy "belligerents."

The Court further held that this was an issue to be decided by the president, and the courts could not question his authority, but must leave to "the political department of the Government to which this power was entrusted."

Therefore, if the president were to determine that American citizens within the territory of the United States were "belligerents" in violent rebellion against the United States, there is precedent which would arguably permit the use of lethal force against them.
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Wonder who was controlling the drone that came within 200 feet of Alitalia Flight 608 as it was approaching JFK on Monday?

Not trying to sound like expandos, but that's a very bad thing.

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JoltinJoe wrote:
SDHornet wrote: Ok Constitutional CS scholars, please provide what article or amendment of the Constitution this would be allowable.
President Lincoln used lethal force within the territory of the United States.

The Union never recognized the Confederacy as a sovereign state; therefore, there was no congressional declaration of war.

President Lincoln declared the Southern army to be in rebellion against the United States and under the control of a "belligerent" domestic aggressor.

In the Prize Cases, 67 U.S. (2 Black) 635, 670 (1862), the United States Supreme Court held that President Lincoln alone had the authority "in fulfilling his duties as Commander in Chief" under Article 2, Section II of the Constitution to determine whether to deem the Confederacy "belligerents."

The Court further held that this was an issue to be decided by the president, and the courts could not question his authority, but must leave to "the political department of the Government to which this power was entrusted."

Therefore, if the president were to determine that American citizens within the territory of the United States were "belligerents" in violent rebellion against the United States, there is precedent which would arguably permit the use of lethal force against them.
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