Non-old people love Obamacare

[Skjellyfetti]

[JohnStOnge]

That is really weird because old people benefit most from it while young and/or healthy people suffer most from it.

[TheDancinMonarch]

What the young people today don't realize is that they will be paying the cost of this until they are old. Then they will be allowed to die. Quite a cynical plan by our nations leadership.

[mainejeff]

What the young people today don't realize is that they will be paying the cost of this until they are old. Then they will be allowed to die. Quite a cynical plan by our nations leadership.

Meh......the Earth has 20 years left......max.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Failure of our dem controlled public education system.

[Grizaholic17]

I wish it would have been a more aggressive bill....but even a slight improvement on this hell of a system (that is healthcare) is a plus in my book.

It helped out my family as my 25 y/o sister who is still running through college after a bout with cystic fibrosis and a lung transplant. The bill stretched the age a child can be on a parent's health insurance to 26. Although it's a small part of that bill...it literally saves around $50,000 in spending fees.

Then again...she reached her transplant cap this past march. Luckily she just got a state job here...so the cap starts over. O_O


Healthcare is quite frankly....a mess. Be progressive people and get a move on this crisis. It's no fun for the people that actually have to deal with it.

[mrklean]

Failure of our dem controlled public education system.

HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE, I HATE EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT REPUBLICAN.... RUSH TOLD ME SO

[bobbythekidd]

The results would mean more if we had the raw numbers of respondents for each age group. I bet that is going to be telling.

[GannonFan]

How could anyone love or hate it right now? No one knows anything about it yet, even those who wrote the bill. Any real judgment on the reform will need to be done a few years out when this actually starts to come into play - most of the bill doesn't even start to happen until 3-5 years out from now.

[Rob Iola]

... after a bout with cystic fibrosis ...

There's a cure for CF?

[ASUG8]

How could anyone love or hate it right now? No one knows anything about it yet, even those who wrote the bill. Any real judgment on the reform will need to be done a few years out when this actually starts to come into play - most of the bill doesn't even start to happen until 3-5 years out from now.

True, but we know how much we're paying for this unknown commodity. It's like committing to buy a car online sight unseen - maybe it will be nice, maybe a lemon, but likely somewhere in between.

[GannonFan]

How could anyone love or hate it right now? No one knows anything about it yet, even those who wrote the bill. Any real judgment on the reform will need to be done a few years out when this actually starts to come into play - most of the bill doesn't even start to happen until 3-5 years out from now.

True, but we know how much we're paying for this unknown commodity. It's like committing to buy a car online sight unseen - maybe it will be nice, maybe a lemon, but likely somewhere in between.

Oh, I agree with that - it's very easy and valid to cite the incredible costs of this reform. Unless this reform is really, really good, it's going to be very hard to even come close to justifying the costs. Everyone is in favor of people getting all the healthcare they need - any poll will show that. Where it becomes complicated is when people are presented with the bill for delivering that. The bill's coming.

[CID1990]

We are the new hippie generation.

Right now we will applaud the New Deal, after much protest against the status quo.

In about 25-20 years when we are old and simply known as the generation of Iraq and Afghanistan, few Americans will fault us for putting another unfunded monster into place. Instead, new political fodder will be made out of arguing over how to fix a program that will be going bankrupt in 1/4 th the time it took Social Security to go bankrupt, and as usual, nobody will have learned the lessons of the past. We will just print and borrow, print and borrow.

When I go camping, I always tell my children like my father told me and his father told him...."Leave the campsite looking like nobody was there... leave it clean for the next people who come along." We don't do that anymore.

[Skjellyfetti]

When I go camping, I always tell my children like my father told me and his father told him...."Leave the campsite looking like nobody was there... leave it clean for the next people who come along." We don't do that anymore.

Cid1990 is a closet hippie. A true redneck would never leave a campsite clear of Miller Lite cans.

[Skjellyfetti]

The results would mean more if we had the raw numbers of respondents for each age group. I bet that is going to be telling.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/File/140987/ ... 0_2010.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Appaholic]

I'm looking forward to not being able to buy non-prescription medication using my tax-free Health Spending Account. So to use the account for regular pain medication, I'll now have to use after tax dollars to purchase Ibuprofen or pay a co-pay to see a doctor for prescription. All so an extra 4% of the American people can have their asses covered in their twilight years since they didn't bother to take responsibility for their healthcare needs when they were younger & healthier. Thanks, that's the Change I was looking for.....

[bobbythekidd]

The results would mean more if we had the raw numbers of respondents for each age group. I bet that is going to be telling.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/File/140987/ ... 0_2010.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I didn't see what I was asking about.

[Pwns]

That's kind of a low number considering that people are usually more liberal when they are younger. When reality kicks the naivete out of them I think they're going to be a powerful force for common sense healthcare policy. It won't be long before they grow up and realize that Social Security is a rapidly sinking ship and that their future is going down with it.

[Rob Iola]

Not quite a rebuttal, but a review of the polling used to come up with this POV:

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com ... obamacare/

Jon Chait cites the latest Gallup data and summarizes over at TNR that "[o]ldsters hate [the March, 2010 health care law], everybody else loves it." Ezra Klein agrees.

We'll set aside the debatable categorization of 30-64 year olds as "loving it" based upon their narrow support for the law (or even liking it; their support for the bill is almost certainly within the error margin for the subsamples). The bigger problem here is the sole reliance upon Gallup. Gallup is a fine pollster, but the question wording they've chosen on this issue has typically resulted in pretty good results for ObamaCare.

If you look at the pollsters in the RCP Average who have polled since Congress passed the health care bill in March, Gallup gives the most favorable results for the bill. It's not really close; the average results by pollster are as follows:

Gallup: Favorable +1
AP/GfK: -4
WaPo: -4
Resurgent Republic (R): -5
PPP (D): -6
Democracy Corps (D): -7
GWU/Battleground: -8
CBS News: -9.7
Quinnipiac: -11.3
CNN/Op Rsrch: -13
Fox News: -15
Rasmussen: -18.42

You get the same result if you look over the course of the entire year (here I'm just using pollsters who polled at least twice, to save room):

Gallup: -2.375
AP/GfK: -2.5
ABC/WaPo: -5
PPP (D): -9
Democracy Corps (D): -9.5
CBS News: -10
Ipsos/McClatchy: -10
Pew: -10.3
NBC News/WSJ: -13.3
Quinnipiac: -15.16667
Fox News: -15.66667
Rasmussen: -16.45
CNN/Op Rsrch: -17.5

To put it differently, of the 78 polls conducted this year, four have shown net favorable results for the PPACA. Gallup conducted three of them.

Now, this is not to hurl an accusation of intentional bias at Gallup -- at all. Every different question wording actually gives us insight into a different aspect of a law and how it is perceived by the public (or, in the case of Rasmussen, the likely electorate). But you nevertheless always have to bear in mind that Gallup's question choice tends to produce something akin to the best-case scenario for the health care bill, and by a fairly substantial amount. Likewise, I'm not suggesting that we should rely only upon Rasmussen's results (which are in part moved against ObamaCare by their reliance on LVs).

But let's say that we instead normalized the Gallup results to the RCP Average, which presently has the health care plan at -6.8 on average. That would be a net shift of ten points against the President's plan. Under this scenario, the young would narrowly favor the plan 52-45%, while everyone else would be opposed by varying margins.

At the very least, we should at least bear in mind that, on the same day that Gallup released a poll showing that adults favor the bill by a 3-point margin, they released a second poll showing that adults favor repeal of the bill by a 5-point margin. So an awful lot of people who supposedly love the bill would also like to see it repealed!

[CAA Flagship]

bump

Read that chart at the top. Just another example of why people under 30 should not be allowed to vote.

[Skjellyfetti]

The only age group that didn't approve in June 2010 was the 65+ age group.

(The group that qualifies for our single payer health care system.)

[ASUG8]

The only age group that didn't approve in June 2010 was the 65+ age group.

(The group that qualifies for our single payer health care system.)

The 18-26 year olds were planning to still be living at home in mom and dad's basement with them footing the bill for their healthcare. Why wouldn't they approve?

[Skjellyfetti]

The 18-26 year olds were planning to still be living at home in mom and dad's basement with them footing the bill for their healthcare. Why wouldn't they approve?

And, the 30-49 year olds?

And, the 50-64 year olds?

[CAA Flagship]

The 18-26 year olds were planning to still be living at home in mom and dad's basement with them footing the bill for their healthcare. Why wouldn't they approve?

And, the 30-49 year olds?

And, the 50-64 year olds?

Clearly, not as gullible.

[Ibanez]

The only age group that didn't approve in June 2010 was the 65+ age group.

(The group that qualifies for our single payer health care system.)

The 18-26 year olds were planning to still be living at home in mom and dad's basement with them footing the bill for their healthcare. Why wouldn't they approve?

But at that time, those kids were either entering or had just spent their first couple of years out college in a recession, caused by the 2 generations before it.