Coronavirus COVID-19

[BDKJMU]

If the vaccine is totally safe and necessary, why are so many health care workers across he country refusing to now take it? (Just web search ‘health care workers, vaccine, refusal’) It seems health care workers are right in line with the general population as far as percentages that are willing/unwilling to take the vaccine now.

[Gil Dobie]

If the vaccine is totally safe and necessary, why are so many health care workers across he country refusing to now take it? (Just web search ‘health care workers, vaccine, refusal’) It seems health care workers are right in line with the general population as far as percentages that are willing/unwilling to take the vaccine now.

They are refusing because they feel the people most at risk of surviving Covid, are not getting vaccinated. They are willing to give up their position in the vaccine line for a high risk person that needs it.

Vaccine Refusal Link

[UNI88]

Chicago Mayor Calls for Bars, Restaurants to Reopen to Prevent Spread of COVID

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot called Thursday for the city’s restaurants and bars to be reopened as soon as possible, saying that it will prevent COVID-19 from spreading through private parties, because business owners can enforce social distancing protocols.

“If we have people and give them an outlet for entertainment in the restaurant space, in the bar space, we have much more of an opportunity, in my view, to be able to regulate and control that environment,” Lightfoot said.

[kalm]

Chicago Mayor Calls for Bars, Restaurants to Reopen to Prevent Spread of COVID

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot called Thursday for the city’s restaurants and bars to be reopened as soon as possible, saying that it will prevent COVID-19 from spreading through private parties, because business owners can enforce social distancing protocols.

“If we have people and give them an outlet for entertainment in the restaurant space, in the bar space, we have much more of an opportunity, in my view, to be able to regulate and control that environment,” Lightfoot said.

Interesting idea. One of the issues for businesses has been asking low pay front line workers to confront the Karen's. But that also might mean hiring security or bouncers and putting more people back to work.

[AZGrizFan]

Chicago Mayor Calls for Bars, Restaurants to Reopen to Prevent Spread of COVID

Interesting idea. One of the issues for businesses has been asking low pay front line workers to confront the Karen's. But that also might mean hiring security or bouncers and putting more people back to work.

What an interesting idea indeed. One that the right has been suggesting for months.

[kalm]

Interesting idea. One of the issues for businesses has been asking low pay front line workers to confront the Karen's. But that also might mean hiring security or bouncers and putting more people back to work.

What an interesting idea indeed. One that the right has been suggesting for months.

Must have missed that one what with all the grunts about freedom, herd immunity, Sweden, and open everything back up.

An additional irony being we tried the honor system first, and now require chaperones for adults because they can’t be responsible in their own homes.

[UNI88]

What an interesting idea indeed. One that the right has been suggesting for months.

Must have missed that one what with all the grunts about freedom, herd immunity, Sweden, and open everything back up.

An additional irony being we tried the honor system first, and now require chaperones for adults because they can’t be responsible in their own homes.

People have had enough. What's the use of being alive if you aren't really living? This gets into the psychological impacts that I've been saying from the beginning haven't been properly considered.

[kalm]

Must have missed that one what with all the grunts about freedom, herd immunity, Sweden, and open everything back up.

An additional irony being we tried the honor system first, and now require chaperones for adults because they can’t be responsible in their own homes.

People have had enough. What's the use of being alive if you aren't really living? This gets into the psychological impacts that I've been saying from the beginning haven't been properly considered.

You did.

Everyone is tired of it including me and my family.

The arguments really haven’t changed much. Weighing an acceptable amount of deaths, healthcare costs, and long term health effects and costs was never going to be easy to make as a society. Some people weather the storm better than others.

The economic impacts of not taking it seriously from a lockdown standpoint and/or selfish behavior of things like not socially distancing or refusal to take a year off from normal holiday gatherings will be fascinating to see studied.

They have consequences too.

[AZGrizFan]

People have had enough. What's the use of being alive if you aren't really living? This gets into the psychological impacts that I've been saying from the beginning haven't been properly considered.

You did.

Everyone is tired of it including me and my family.

The arguments really haven’t changed much. Weighing an acceptable amount of deaths, healthcare costs, and long term health effects and costs was never going to be easy to make as a society. Some people weather the storm better than others.

The economic impacts of not taking it seriously from a lockdown standpoint and/or selfish behavior of things like not socially distancing or refusal to take a year off from normal holiday gatherings will be fascinating to see studied.

They have consequences too.

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia. Pneumonia is contagious. We have never stopped living because of pneumonia.

[AZGrizFan]

What an interesting idea indeed. One that the right has been suggesting for months.

Must have missed that one what with all the grunts about freedom, herd immunity, Sweden, and open everything back up.

An additional irony being we tried the honor system first, and now require chaperones for adults because they can’t be responsible in their own homes.

We have states that have legalized heroin, and you’re worried about a few folks gathering under the cover of night against the orders of our benevolent government, and without any basis in science whatsoever?

[HI54UNI]

Chicago Mayor Calls for Bars, Restaurants to Reopen to Prevent Spread of COVID

Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot called Thursday for the city’s restaurants and bars to be reopened as soon as possible, saying that it will prevent COVID-19 from spreading through private parties, because business owners can enforce social distancing protocols.

“If we have people and give them an outlet for entertainment in the restaurant space, in the bar space, we have much more of an opportunity, in my view, to be able to regulate and control that environment,” Lightfoot said.

In addition to the Biden presidency starting so we have to change the narrative I'm sure part of it is looking at the massive budget holes they've created. Although the Dem trifecta will bail them out in the next stimulus bill.

[UNI88]

Must have missed that one what with all the grunts about freedom, herd immunity, Sweden, and open everything back up.

An additional irony being we tried the honor system first, and now require chaperones for adults because they can’t be responsible in their own homes.

We have states that have legalized heroin, and you’re worried about a few folks gathering under the cover of night against the orders of our benevolent government, and without any basis in science whatsoever?

What state legalized heroin? Oregon didn't - personal possession has been decriminalized not legalized. Possessing heroin for personal use is n longer a crime, possessing enough heroin to sell is still a crime.

[Gil Dobie]

You did.

Everyone is tired of it including me and my family.

The arguments really haven’t changed much. Weighing an acceptable amount of deaths, healthcare costs, and long term health effects and costs was never going to be easy to make as a society. Some people weather the storm better than others.

The economic impacts of not taking it seriously from a lockdown standpoint and/or selfish behavior of things like not socially distancing or refusal to take a year off from normal holiday gatherings will be fascinating to see studied.

They have consequences too.

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia. Pneumonia is contagious. We have never stopped living because of pneumonia.

Using a bankers loan interest formula for that number?

[Gil Dobie]

Everyone that got that first smallpox vaccine in 1798, has died.

[kalm]

You did.

Everyone is tired of it including me and my family.

The arguments really haven’t changed much. Weighing an acceptable amount of deaths, healthcare costs, and long term health effects and costs was never going to be easy to make as a society. Some people weather the storm better than others.

The economic impacts of not taking it seriously from a lockdown standpoint and/or selfish behavior of things like not socially distancing or refusal to take a year off from normal holiday gatherings will be fascinating to see studied.

They have consequences too.

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia. Pneumonia is contagious. We have never stopped living because of pneumonia.

Link, please.

[UNI88]

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia. Pneumonia is contagious. We have never stopped living because of pneumonia.

Link, please.

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia

[kalm]

Link, please.

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia

[BDKJMU]

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia. Pneumonia is contagious. We have never stopped living because of pneumonia.

Link, please.

2017 over 7,000 people a day died from pneumonia..

2.56 million people died from pneumonia in 2017.

https://ourworldindata.org/pneumonia

BTW thats about a half million more that died from pneumonia in a year than the China Virus.

[BDKJMU]

One of the EPs Biden is apparently going to sign on Wed is

As president I will mandate mask wearing in all federal buildings and all interstate transportation because masks save lives - period,"

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/ar ... sportation
I sure as hell won’t be wearing one in my truck driving down the highway. Doubt state police will be pulling people over either for no mask.

[kalm]

Link, please.

2017 over 7,000 people a day died from pneumonia..

2.56 million people died from pneumonia in 2017.

https://ourworldindata.org/pneumonia

BTW thats about a half million more that died from pneumonia in a year than the China Virus.

How many in the US? How many were related to poor countries?

What if pneumonia deaths suddenly equaled Covid and pneumonia combined?

[BDKJMU]

Look who’s #1 in the vaccine rollout, 2nd most Trumpian state to boot (Trump 69, Biden 30)
https://apnews.com/article/politics-pan ... a2b7b8d336

[Gil Dobie]

2017 over 7,000 people a day died from pneumonia..

https://ourworldindata.org/pneumonia

BTW thats about a half million more that died from pneumonia in a year than the China Virus.

How many in the US? How many were related to poor countries?

What if pneumonia deaths suddenly equaled Covid and pneumonia combined?

We went from USA deaths to world deaths to support someone's fake news.

[AZGrizFan]

5,000 people a day die from pneumonia. Pneumonia is contagious. We have never stopped living because of pneumonia.

Link, please.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/111 ... nd-flu-us/

[SeattleGriz]

If the vaccine is totally safe and necessary, why are so many health care workers across he country refusing to now take it? (Just web search ‘health care workers, vaccine, refusal’) It seems health care workers are right in line with the general population as far as percentages that are willing/unwilling to take the vaccine now.

They are refusing because they feel the people most at risk of surviving Covid, are not getting vaccinated. They are willing to give up their position in the vaccine line for a high risk person that needs it.

Vaccine Refusal Link

One guys op-ed on why he is waiting to get the vaccination applies to all? Bit of a stretch. . I would say some are a little leary of a vaccine that was created in nine months, when they are used to seeing vaccines normally take years.

[Gil Dobie]

They are refusing because they feel the people most at risk of surviving Covid, are not getting vaccinated. They are willing to give up their position in the vaccine line for a high risk person that needs it.

Vaccine Refusal Link

One guys op-ed on why he is waiting to get the vaccination applies to all? Bit of a stretch. . I would say some are a little leary of a vaccine that was created in nine months, when they are used to seeing vaccines normally take years.

Don't play games by wordsmithing. Of course one does not mean all, that was why I posted this in contrast to the other post.