Election 2016: Trump vs Clinton

[93henfan]

2009: Falls walking into WH, breaks elbow
2011: Falls boarding plane
2012: Falls at home, suffers blood clot
2016: Needs the assistance of 2 staffers to make it up 6 stairs...
http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-phot ... ed-stairs/

The falls can be explained away by claiming she's a clutz. But that wouldn't explain not being able to walk up stairs unassisted. I doubt she was drunk. Obviously is something physically wrong with her, or at least was today (Sunday). Question is what?

I'm guessing it might have to do with being old and fat and a woman.

[Skjellyfetti]

That's not a 4 way poll. As a Johnson supporter you should know by now that 2 way polls are meaningless...

Here's a 4 way poll for you.

Clinton 45%
Trump 31%
Johnson 10%
Stein 6%
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 63582.html

And, yes... national polls are also meaningless... better to look at swing states... but, Trump is floundering in almost all of them.

State polls for example....

Trump is not only getting walloped in every swing state....

...He's also putting states like Georgia in play for Hillary.


Hillary 44%
Trump 37%
Johnson 7%
http://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf

Clinton 41%
Trump 38%
Johnson 11%
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/05 ... n-georgia/


Fivethirtyeight currently has it at 51.3% chance for Hillary.



I don't think Hillary will actually win Georgia... but, Donald is going to have to start diverting resources to defend states like Georgia and North Carolina that should be solid red. And, he has to defend all of these states AND win the battleground states... many of which he's way behind.

[BDKJMU]

Here's a 4 way poll for you.

Clinton 45%
Trump 31%
Johnson 10%
Stein 6%
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... 63582.html

And, yes... national polls are also meaningless... better to look at swing states... but, Trump is floundering in almost all of them.

State polls for example....

Trump is not only getting walloped in every swing state....

...He's also putting states like Georgia in play for Hillary.


Hillary 44%
Trump 37%
Johnson 7%
http://winwithjmc.com/wp-content/upload ... ummary.pdf

Clinton 41%
Trump 38%
Johnson 11%
http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/08/05 ... n-georgia/


Fivethirtyeight currently has it at 51.3% chance for Hillary.

I don't think Hillary will actually win Georgia... but, Donald is going to have to start diverting resources to defend states like Georgia and North Carolina that should be solid red. And, he has to defend all of these states AND win the battleground states... many of which he's way behind.

The polls don't mean much until at least Sept, if not Oct..

[Ivytalk]

Fivethirtyeight currently has it at 51.3% chance for Hillary.

That's odd... I have it at 69.3%.

[SDHornet]

That's odd... I have it at 69.3%.

[Ibanez]

2009: Falls walking into WH, breaks elbow
2011: Falls boarding plane
2012: Falls at home, suffers blood clot
2016: Needs the assistance of 2 staffers to make it up 6 stairs...
http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-phot ... ed-stairs/

The falls can be explained away by claiming she's a clutz. But that wouldn't explain not being able to walk up stairs unassisted. I doubt she was drunk. Obviously is something physically wrong with her, or at least was today (Sunday). Question is what?

To be fair, I saw that picture and it could be out of context. For some reason, I remember her tripping up a flight of stairs when she was in Charleston earlier this year.

I'm all for Clinton bashing, but context is important.

[Ivytalk]

2009: Falls walking into WH, breaks elbow
2011: Falls boarding plane
2012: Falls at home, suffers blood clot
2016: Needs the assistance of 2 staffers to make it up 6 stairs...
http://theamericanmirror.com/shock-phot ... ed-stairs/

The falls can be explained away by claiming she's a clutz. But that wouldn't explain not being able to walk up stairs unassisted. I doubt she was drunk. Obviously is something physically wrong with her, or at least was today (Sunday). Question is what?

To be fair, I saw that picture and it could be out of context. For some reason, I remember her tripping up a flight of stairs when she was in Charleston earlier this year.

I'm all for Clinton bashing, but context is important.

That sounds like Gerald Ford in drag.

[Skjellyfetti]

The polls don't mean much until at least Sept, if not Oct..

I agree for the most part.

But, hasn't stopped you from spamming polls that agree with you.

And, it's fun to watch you squirm as polls come in you don't agree with.

Last week - only 4-way races should be valid.

This week - we should just ignore polls for another month.

Can't wait to see what you'll be saying in a month or two!!

[Ibanez]

The polls don't mean much until at least Sept, if not Oct..

I agree for the most part.

But, hasn't stopped you from spamming polls that agree with you.

And, it's fun to watch you squirm as polls come in you don't agree with.

Last week - only 4-way races should be valid.

This week - we should just ignore polls for another month.

Can't wait to see what you'll be saying in a month or two!!

Polls that were compiled by 69.3% male employees are valid.

[SDHornet]

The polls don't mean much until at least Sept, if not Oct..

I agree for the most part.

But, hasn't stopped you from spamming polls that agree with you.

And, it's fun to watch you squirm as polls come in you don't agree with.

Last week - only 4-way races should be valid.

This week - we should just ignore polls for another month.

Can't wait to see what you'll be saying in a month or two!!

BDKKK has been in constant spin mode ever since the conk clown car went up in flames when Trump started dominating his way to the nomination.

[BDKJMU]

The polls don't mean much until at least Sept, if not Oct..

Last week - only 4-way races should be valid.

This week - we should just ignore polls for another month.

Only 4 way races should be valid, unless Johnson or Stein drops out..2 way polls are as worthless as titties on a bull

Only those 4 way polls matter, but they don't mean much for at another month or 2..

[BDKJMU]

I agree for the most part.

But, hasn't stopped you from spamming polls that agree with you.

And, it's fun to watch you squirm as polls come in you don't agree with.

Last week - only 4-way races should be valid.

This week - we should just ignore polls for another month.

Can't wait to see what you'll be saying in a month or two!!

BDKKK has been in constant spin mode ever since the conk clown car went up in flames when Trump started dominating his way to the nomination.

Yeah, I'm KKK because I'm supporting Trump over Hillary

[Ibanez]

BDKKK has been in constant spin mode ever since the conk clown car went up in flames when Trump started dominating his way to the nomination.

Yeah, I'm KKK because I'm supporting Trump over Hillary

You're KKK for many more reasons that your support of TubTrumper.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, I'm KKK because I'm supporting Trump over Hillary

You're KKK for many more reasons that your support of TubTrumper.

Based on what?

[Ibanez]

My brother in law just sent a text that Trump is having a rally at his place of employment and he's been working with the campaign all day. I can't wait to hear what he has to say.

[BDKJMU]

Trump today in Detroit at the Detriot Economic Club. Called for reforming tax, trade, energy, & regulatory policies.

From what I remember (listened to the whole 42+ minutes):
-Laid out what is economically wrong in the US, criticizes of the Obama/Clinton economic record.

Laid out his economic plan:
-Lowering top business tax rate from 35% to 15%.
-3 income tax brackets of 33 percent, 25 percent and 12 percent
-Allow businesses to immediately expense new business investments
-Temp Freeze on new fed regs order all fed agencies to review all regs to eliminate those deemed unnecessary
-Fully deduct the "avg" cost of childcare spending from taxes
-10% tax on companies repatriating from overseas.
-Elimination of death tax
-Hammers NAFTA, TPP, & China (did acknowledge that isolation isn't an option).

-Cancel "overreaching" & "illegal" Obama exec orders
-Calls for energy reform/promoting domestic production
-Calls for school choice
-Pro law enforcement/law & order
-Repeal & replace Obamacare
-Get allies to pay their fair share, freeing up billions to be invested in US.
-Reform of VA
-Americanism, not globalism

Interruptions by protesters at about :12, 1:40, 5:45, 9:00, 11:40, 29:30, 35:10, Trump, as opposed to often in the past, pauses while they are dealt with, but otherwise calmly ignores them.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9GVHjL78zo[/youtube]

You can say what you want about his plan, say its good or sucks or whatever, but you can't say it wasn't well delivered, that he wasn't presidential, and that he didn't provide at least some details. And another thing, it was always "we", "our", "America/American" not "I"...I wish Trump had been more like this in the past..

Of course cue JSO "he mentally unstable, he's pathological" in 4, 3, 2, 1...

[Ivytalk]

Trump today in Detroit at the Detriot Economic Club. Called for reforming tax, trade, energy, & regulatory policies.

From what I remember (listened to the whole 42+ minutes):
-Laid out what is economically wrong in the US, criticizes of the Obama/Clinton economic record.

Laid out his economic plan:
-Lowering top business tax rate from 35% to 15%.
-3 income tax brackets of 33 percent, 25 percent and 12 percent
-Allow businesses to immediately expense new business investments
-Temp Freeze on new fed regs order all fed agencies to review all regs to eliminate those deemed unnecessary
-Fully deduct the "avg" cost of childcare spending from taxes
-10% tax on companies repatriating from overseas.
-Elimination of death tax
-Hammers NAFTA, TPP, & China (did acknowledge that isolation isn't an option).

-Cancel "overreaching" & "illegal" Obama exec orders
-Calls for energy reform/promoting domestic production
-Calls for school choice
-Pro law enforcement/law & order
-Repeal & replace Obamacare
-Get allies to pay their fair share, freeing up billions to be invested in US.
-Reform of VA
-Americanism, not globalism

Interruptions by protesters at about :12, 1:40, 5:45, 9:00, 11:40, 29:30, 35:10, Trump, as opposed to often in the past, pauses while they are dealt with, but otherwise calmly ignores them.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9GVHjL78zo[/youtube]

You can say what you want about his plan, say its good or sucks or whatever, but you can't say it wasn't well delivered, that he wasn't presidential, and that he didn't provide at least some details. And another thing, it was always "we", "our", "America/American" not "I"...I wish Trump had been more like this in the past..

Of course cue JSO "he mentally unstable, he's pathological" in 4, 3, 2, 1...

Are you gainfully employed?

[CID1990]

Trump today in Detroit at the Detriot Economic Club. Called for reforming tax, trade, energy, & regulatory policies.

From what I remember (listened to the whole 42+ minutes):
-Laid out what is economically wrong in the US, criticizes of the Obama/Clinton economic record.

Laid out his economic plan:
-Lowering top business tax rate from 35% to 15%.
-3 income tax brackets of 33 percent, 25 percent and 12 percent
-Allow businesses to immediately expense new business investments
-Temp Freeze on new fed regs order all fed agencies to review all regs to eliminate those deemed unnecessary
-Fully deduct the "avg" cost of childcare spending from taxes
-10% tax on companies repatriating from overseas.
-Elimination of death tax
-Hammers NAFTA, TPP, & China (did acknowledge that isolation isn't an option).

-Cancel "overreaching" & "illegal" Obama exec orders
-Calls for energy reform/promoting domestic production
-Calls for school choice
-Pro law enforcement/law & order
-Repeal & replace Obamacare
-Get allies to pay their fair share, freeing up billions to be invested in US.
-Reform of VA
-Americanism, not globalism

Interruptions by protesters at about :12, 1:40, 5:45, 9:00, 11:40, 29:30, 35:10, Trump, as opposed to often in the past, pauses while they are dealt with, but otherwise calmly ignores them.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9GVHjL78zo[/youtube]

You can say what you want about his plan, say its good or sucks or whatever, but you can't say it wasn't well delivered, that he wasn't presidential, and that he didn't provide at least some details. And another thing, it was always "we", "our", "America/American" not "I"...I wish Trump had been more like this in the past..

Of course cue JSO "he mentally unstable, he's pathological" in 4, 3, 2, 1...

I think he may be listening to his handlers now. Not a bad policy speech.

[JohnStOnge]

All that said I am hoping she's been watching the shows. I saw a CNN guy today ask why she doesn't just say that she said what she thought to be true and the FBI later found it it wasn't true. The FBI found nothing to contradict that take. So just say that and fold it into the mea culpa about knowing it was a mistake.

She'd better be ready because it's going to come up in the debates. Hopefully she'll take the obvious approach.

And lie her ass off.

I actually don't think she was lying when she said she didn't send classified e mails. She was using her private e mail to communicate with her staff and had an entirely separate State Department system to handle e mails she recognized as classified.

I found reference to that in several places. But I think the article at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-conve ... 74304.html is a good one even though it's at the Huffinton Post. I don't see any reason to conclude that the author doesn't know what he's talking about (see his ID at the bottom). Also, the article seems reasonable and even handed.

If you have time, read the article and see what you think. A quote to hopefully pique your interest:

Before coming to academia, I worked for many years as an analyst at both the State Department and the Department of Defense. I held a top secret clearance and worked on issues related to weapons of mass destruction and their proliferation. Debates and arguments about whether certain information should be classified were frequent. More often than not the debates centered on why something was classified in the first place. This is why determining whether Secretary Clinton was careless is not a cut and dried issue.

[93henfan]

You want to start a business? We're going to put a moratorium on your student loan payment so you can actually borrow the money to get the business started.

She actually said that today in St Petersburg, FL.

So let's see, you went and got a college degree in art history from some swanky private school and ran up a $100k student loan that, SURPRISE, you can't seem to find gainful employment to pay off. Now you want to borrow MORE money to put together some other not-well-thought-out venture that will probably fail, thereby making you an even higher risk for default on BOTH loans.

I love Democratic logic.

[JohnStOnge]

Trump's economic speech will probably end up being widely panned. It doesn't hurt (from my standpoint) that Newt Gingrich gave the Democrats a sound byte for their commercials by answering "Of course not" when Chris Wallace noted that his numbers don't add up. He had a lot more to say after that but now he's on video having Chris Wallace say Trump's numbers don't add up with Gingrich answering "Of course not."

Meanwhile you've got that letter signed by 50 Republican foreign policy experts saying DON'T make that nut job Trump the President.

Here it is: http://warontherocks.com/2016/03/open-l ... y-leaders/

A quote:

Mr. Trump’s own statements lead us to conclude that as president, he would use the authority of his office to act in ways that make America less safe, and which would diminish our standing in the world. Furthermore, his expansive view of how presidential power should be wielded against his detractors poses a distinct threat to civil liberty in the United States. Therefore, as committed and loyal Republicans, we are unable to support a Party ticket with Mr. Trump at its head. We commit ourselves to working energetically to prevent the election of someone so utterly unfitted to the office.

You Trump zombies can keep whistling past the graveyard and denying reality with respect to the "unity" of the Republican Party behind Trump. And it's true that Trump actually does have a chance because the Democrats have ALSO fielded a really bad candidate. But this kind of thing is unprecedented.

[JohnStOnge]

I keep hearing Trump surrogates, in responding to what the polls are indicating right now. say that the polls got it wrong in the primaries. That's totally false. As is the case with the Democratic race, you could easily say who won the Republican nomination just by looking at the results of polls taken shortly before each vote was taken.

Anybody who was paying any attention at all knows that the polls generally showed Trump getting a plurality throughout. He bragged about it all the time.

[kalm]

I keep hearing Trump surrogates, in responding to what the polls are indicating right now. say that the polls got it wrong in the primaries. That's totally false. As is the case with the Democratic race, you could easily say who won the Republican nomination just by looking at the results of polls taken shortly before each vote was taken.

Anybody who was paying any attention at all knows that the polls generally showed Trump getting a plurality throughout. He bragged about it all the time.

Polls (taken shortly before the election) showed Saddam Hussein winning in a landslide in 2000.

[houndawg]

You want to start a business? We're going to put a moratorium on your student loan payment so you can actually borrow the money to get the business started.

She actually said that today in St Petersburg, FL.

So let's see, you went and got a college degree in art history from some swanky private school and ran up a $100k student loan that, SURPRISE, you can't seem to find gainful employment to pay off. Now you want to borrow MORE money to put together some other not-well-thought-out venture that will probably fail, thereby making you an even higher risk for default on BOTH loans.

I love Democratic logic.

people default on loans all the time

[93henfan]

She actually said that today in St Petersburg, FL.

So let's see, you went and got a college degree in art history from some swanky private school and ran up a $100k student loan that, SURPRISE, you can't seem to find gainful employment to pay off. Now you want to borrow MORE money to put together some other not-well-thought-out venture that will probably fail, thereby making you an even higher risk for default on BOTH loans.

I love Democratic logic.

people default on loans all the time

I realize that. I just found it comical that she's in front of a rabid audience basically saying, "can't handle your debt, that's OK! -- we'll give you a grace period so you can incur more extremely risky debt!!".

And the crowd goes wild.