Does anybody on this board want Trump to be President?

[andy7171]

TheBlack Machine vote ain't coming out in drove like they did for Barry.

[ASUG8]

The Dems have demonstrated that despite a president who promised the most transparent administration in history (and locking it down maybe tighter than before) and is now poised to nominate someone who promised transparency with her private servers yet lying about having turned the whole thing over - they simply don't care about what's said on the campaign trail and what happens in office.

Yeah, Democratic voters clearly have a monopoly on this.

Didn't say they did, just recalling the most recent events.

[Jjoey52]

If he is the nominee i will vote for him, any of the 9 from last night are better than the Hildebeast

[Chizzang]

This is the perfect opportunity for me to talk with you all about Jill Stein...

[CID1990]

This is the perfect opportunity for me to talk with you all about Jill Stein...

Or just not voting. It's the same thing

[Gil Dobie]

[89Hen]

This is the perfect opportunity for me to talk with you all about Jill Stein...

Or just not voting. It's the same thing

[Grizalltheway]

That attitude is exactly why we're stuck with this mess. Dweebs.

[CAA Flagship]

That attitude is exactly why we're stuck with this mess. Dweebs.

Explain, please.

[andy7171]

That attitude is exactly why we're stuck with this mess. Dweebs.

No. I threw away my vote for Gary Johnson last election and Ron Paul the time before that. It means nothing. Nothing at all.

[GannonFan]

Putin likes Trump, called him "outstanding and talented". Considering Cappy's love affair with Putin, this stamp of endorsement might mean that Trump can now count on Cappy to rally to his side.
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-35124280

[Grizalltheway]

That attitude is exactly why we're stuck with this mess. Dweebs.

No. I threw away my vote for Gary Johnson last election and Ron Paul the time before that. It means nothing. Nothing at all.

And voting for Romney or McCain in a deep blue state would have accomplished...what, exactly?

[GannonFan]

That attitude is exactly why we're stuck with this mess. Dweebs.

No. I threw away my vote for Gary Johnson last election and Ron Paul the time before that. It means nothing. Nothing at all.

I agree. This idea that just voting for somebody, anybody, other than a GOP'er or a Dem and that will change the political spectrum is just naïve and simplistic. As much as we rightfully decry both major parties today, they are fairly broad enough in their umbrella of ideas and positions that they fill much of the electorate's wants and desires from a political party. Sure, they're not perfect, but they give enough of a way for people of differing views to come together that they, begrudgingly, work. For a third party to be reaslistic, that third party would need to be very clear in what they offer that the other parties don't offer, and that's hard to do considering the ground those two parties already cover. And for it to be further realistic, the third party would actually need to be a viable contender to win, not only the Presidency, but actual seats in Congress and at the state level. Right now, it just doesn't exist, and throwing your vote to a random non-GOP non-Dem candidate in the Presidential election amounts to doing just a sliver more than nothing. The fact that a third party hasn't coalesced in the past 30-40 years, to me, just means that there isn't really the need for one - people are content enough with being able to pick from one of the two parties, despite the angst on this board that that shouldn't be the case.

[dbackjon]

If he is the nominee i will vote for him, any of the 9 from last night are better than the Hildebeast

[89Hen]

No. I threw away my vote for Gary Johnson last election and Ron Paul the time before that. It means nothing. Nothing at all.

And voting for Romney or McCain in a deep blue state would have accomplished...what, exactly?

Nothing as well.

[89Hen]

If he is the nominee i will vote for him, any of the 9 from last night are better than the Hildebeast

As unpartisan as you are...

[CAA Flagship]

No. I threw away my vote for Gary Johnson last election and Ron Paul the time before that. It means nothing. Nothing at all.

I agree. This idea that just voting for somebody, anybody, other than a GOP'er or a Dem and that will change the political spectrum is just naïve and simplistic. As much as we rightfully decry both major parties today, they are fairly broad enough in their umbrella of ideas and positions that they fill much of the electorate's wants and desires from a political party. Sure, they're not perfect, but they give enough of a way for people of differing views to come together that they, begrudgingly, work. For a third party to be reaslistic, that third party would need to be very clear in what they offer that the other parties don't offer, and that's hard to do considering the ground those two parties already cover. And for it to be further realistic, the third party would actually need to be a viable contender to win, not only the Presidency, but actual seats in Congress and at the state level. Right now, it just doesn't exist, and throwing your vote to a random non-GOP non-Dem candidate in the Presidential election amounts to doing just a sliver more than nothing. The fact that a third party hasn't coalesced in the past 30-40 years, to me, just means that there isn't really the need for one - people are content enough with being able to pick from one of the two parties, despite the angst on this board that that shouldn't be the case.

Agree with everything except the last sentence, maybe. The third party has to rise up at the State level before it can do anything at a National level. If we had 3 or 4 Governors from third parties, especially in swing states, that would start the ball rolling. Right now, many people make a defensive vote (me included) more than a vote for the person I really want. The feeling being that the pain of the candidate you least like is far worse than the benefit, or even the pain, of the other candidate.

[89Hen]

Right now, many people make a defensive vote (me included) more than a vote for the person I really want.

Many candidates are running on platforms of "I'm not the other guy."

[Ibanez]

No. I threw away my vote for Gary Johnson last election and Ron Paul the time before that. It means nothing. Nothing at all.

I agree. This idea that just voting for somebody, anybody, other than a GOP'er or a Dem and that will change the political spectrum is just naïve and simplistic. As much as we rightfully decry both major parties today, they are fairly broad enough in their umbrella of ideas and positions that they fill much of the electorate's wants and desires from a political party. Sure, they're not perfect, but they give enough of a way for people of differing views to come together that they, begrudgingly, work. For a third party to be reaslistic, that third party would need to be very clear in what they offer that the other parties don't offer, and that's hard to do considering the ground those two parties already cover. And for it to be further realistic, the third party would actually need to be a viable contender to win, not only the Presidency, but actual seats in Congress and at the state level. Right now, it just doesn't exist, and throwing your vote to a random non-GOP non-Dem candidate in the Presidential election amounts to doing just a sliver more than nothing. The fact that a third party hasn't coalesced in the past 30-40 years, to me, just means that there isn't really the need for one - people are content enough with being able to pick from one of the two parties, despite the angst on this board that that shouldn't be the case.

How do you expect them to be a viable contender if you cast them aside from the get go?

[Ibanez]

If he is the nominee i will vote for him, any of the 9 from last night are better than the Hildebeast

He's as partisan as you are. And what, exactly, is the allure of Clinton? I vote the person, not the party. I don't see a single person in either camp that I would vote for.

[TheDancinMonarch]

I don't see a single person in either camp that I would vote for.

Ditto!

[kalm]

I agree. This idea that just voting for somebody, anybody, other than a GOP'er or a Dem and that will change the political spectrum is just naïve and simplistic. As much as we rightfully decry both major parties today, they are fairly broad enough in their umbrella of ideas and positions that they fill much of the electorate's wants and desires from a political party. Sure, they're not perfect, but they give enough of a way for people of differing views to come together that they, begrudgingly, work. For a third party to be reaslistic, that third party would need to be very clear in what they offer that the other parties don't offer, and that's hard to do considering the ground those two parties already cover. And for it to be further realistic, the third party would actually need to be a viable contender to win, not only the Presidency, but actual seats in Congress and at the state level. Right now, it just doesn't exist, and throwing your vote to a random non-GOP non-Dem candidate in the Presidential election amounts to doing just a sliver more than nothing. The fact that a third party hasn't coalesced in the past 30-40 years, to me, just means that there isn't really the need for one - people are content enough with being able to pick from one of the two parties, despite the angst on this board that that shouldn't be the case.

How do you expect them to be a viable contender if you cast them aside from the get go?

Exactly.

It's like the political version of "nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded".

Ganny and Ivytalk striking their establishment pose:

[dbackjon]

He's as partisan as you are. And what, exactly, is the allure of Clinton? I vote the person, not the party. I don't see a single person in either camp that I would vote for.

I could understand someone saying that Kasich, Rubio, is better than Hillary. But Cruz, Carson, Trump - that is where the laughter comes in.

An unbiased person would recognize that. You may not like her personally, but she is far more qualified and again, if you guys would overlook your irrational Clintonphobia, you would realize that A) nothing she has done is different than most politicians and B) her politics are close to what most of you claim to believe in - certainly closer than the loons like Huckabee, Cruz, Carson...

[SDHornet]

I could understand someone saying that Kasich, Rubio, is better than Hillary. But Cruz, Carson, Trump - that is where the laughter comes in.

This.

An unbiased person would recognize that. You may not like her personally, but she is far more qualified and again, if you guys would overlook your irrational Clintonphobia, you would realize that A) nothing she has done is different than most politicians and B) her politics are close to what most of you claim to believe in - certainly closer than the loons like Huckabee, Cruz, Carson...

Not this. Only folks with their head in the sand think she will be a better leader as POTUS then what she has already displayed as her failed stint as SOS.

No Clintons. No Bushes.

[Baldy]

If he is the nominee i will vote for him, any of the 9 from last night are better than the Hildebeast

jon laughing because he can't argue the point.