The End of Liberalism

[Chizzang]

Clitz you're going over people's heads here

You need to "Sesame Street" it for klam

Like this:

Ask 100 moderate Christians if the entire word of the Bible is to be taken literally


Then ask 100 moderate Muslims the same thing about the Koran

You will get very different answers

The next time a Sunni Imam says the Koran should take a backseat
In regards to the betterment of modern society
will be the first time

and yet it happens every single day in Christianity
as we see in the Bishops of Boston reaction to the court ruling
They are literally suggesting society's modern ethics are superior to the Bibles
and we should deffer to this new social norm



HUGE difference between the faiths right there

[AZGrizFan]

Clitz you're going over people's heads here

You need to "Sesame Street" it for klam

Like this:

Ask 100 moderate Christians if the entire word of the Bible is to be taken literally


Then ask 100 moderate Muslims the same thing about the Koran

You will get very different answers

The next time a Sunni Imam says the Koran should take a backseat
In regards to the betterment of modern society
will be the first time

and yet it happens every single day in Christianity
as we see in the Bishops of Boston reaction to the court ruling
They are literally suggesting society's modern ethics are superior to the Bibles
and we should deffer to this new social norm



HUGE difference between the faiths right there

Don't tell Douche1Bag, Gayalltheway or dback that. They're convinced Christianity is 10x worse than the muslins.

[CID1990]

The next time a Sunni Imam says the Koran should take a backseat
In regards to the betterment of modern society
will be the first time

and yet it happens every single day in Christianity
as we see in the Bishops of Boston reaction to the court ruling
They are literally suggesting society's modern ethics are superior to the Bibles
and we should deffer to this new social norm



HUGE difference between the faiths right there

Don't tell Douche1Bag, Gayalltheway or dback that. They're convinced Christianity is 10x worse than the muslins.

Hey now

Dont make Chizzy nervous.... he's in uncharted territory... defending Christianity

(I know.... not defending Christianity, just pointing out that as religions go it is much more moderate than Islam)

But it is still fun to watch so dont go making him have second thoughts

[Chizzang]

Don't tell Douche1Bag, Gayalltheway or dback that. They're convinced Christianity is 10x worse than the muslins.

Hey now

Dont make Chizzy nervous.... he's in uncharted territory... defending Christianity

(I know.... not defending Christianity, just pointing out that as religions go it is much more moderate than Islam)

But it is still fun to watch so dont go making him have second thoughts

You will notice - or you certainly will in the next debate on religion around here...
That the actions of the Boston Bishops strengthens my Anti-Christian argument
in a few ways:

1) Bishops dismissing Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy in one fell swoop (Yikes!)
2) Christians don't know much about their religion - because they've never read the books of their faith
3) What a HUGE percentage of "Christians" are practicing today IS NOT Christianity by any definition
4) The only reason Christianity is meaningful at all in American society is because it is distinctly NOT actually Christianity as defined by its original doctrine - it has "morphed" to fit modern culture

Return to your debauchery you douches - As you were gentlemen

[kalm]

Clitz you're going over people's heads here

You need to "Sesame Street" it for klam

Like this:

Ask 100 moderate Christians if the entire word of the Bible is to be taken literally


Then ask 100 moderate Muslims the same thing about the Koran

You will get very different answers

Why would you think I'd disagree? Do I need to Sesame Street my arguments for you?

The gap might be narrower than you think though...

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[AZGrizFan]

Hey now

Dont make Chizzy nervous.... he's in uncharted territory... defending Christianity

(I know.... not defending Christianity, just pointing out that as religions go it is much more moderate than Islam)

But it is still fun to watch so dont go making him have second thoughts

You will notice - or you certainly will in the next debate on religion around here...
That the actions of the Boston Bishops strengthens my Anti-Christian argument
in a few ways:

1) Bishops dismissing Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy in one fell swoop (Yikes!)
2) Christians don't know much about their religion - because they've never read the books of their faith
3) What a HUGE percentage of "Christians" are practicing today IS NOT Christianity by any definition
4) The only reason Christianity is meaningful at all in American society is because it is distinctly NOT actually Christianity as defined by its original doctrine - it has "morphed" to fit modern culture

Return to your debauchery you douches - As you were gentlemen

What a concept. And meanwhile, muslins still act like it's the 12th century.

[Pwns]

I just love it when PC multiculti liberalism and militant atheism collide.

Tell me, without looking at the yellow sign in the background, is this a group of not-diverse tea party bigots or a picture from the "reason rally" in 2012?

[kalm]

Hey now

Dont make Chizzy nervous.... he's in uncharted territory... defending Christianity

(I know.... not defending Christianity, just pointing out that as religions go it is much more moderate than Islam)

But it is still fun to watch so dont go making him have second thoughts

You will notice - or you certainly will in the next debate on religion around here...
That the actions of the Boston Bishops strengthens my Anti-Christian argument
in a few ways:

1) Bishops dismissing Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy in one fell swoop (Yikes!)
2) Christians don't know much about their religion - because they've never read the books of their faith
3) What a HUGE percentage of "Christians" are practicing today IS NOT Christianity by any definition
4) The only reason Christianity is meaningful at all in American society is because it is distinctly NOT actually Christianity as defined by its original doctrine - it has "morphed" to fit modern culture

Return to your debauchery you douches - As you were gentlemen

Again, we're wandering away from the original point, but can we also talk about the actions of christian nations and how those might be misconstrued by the muslim on the street?

[kalm]

I just love it when PC multiculti liberalism and militant atheism collide.

Tell me, without looking at the yellow sign in the background, is this a group of not-diverse tea party bigots or a picture from the "reason rally" in 2012?

Impeaching god is not very pc.

[Chizzang]

I just love it when PC multiculti liberalism and militant atheism collide.

Tell me, without looking at the yellow sign in the background, is this a group of not-diverse tea party bigots or a picture from the "reason rally" in 2012?

Based on the fact that the sign is spelled correctly - I'm going to go with the later

[kalm]

I just love it when PC multiculti liberalism and militant atheism collide.

Tell me, without looking at the yellow sign in the background, is this a group of not-diverse tea party bigots or a picture from the "reason rally" in 2012?

Based on the fact that the sign is spelled correctly - I'm going to go with the later

[Pwns]

I just love it when PC multiculti liberalism and militant atheism collide.

Tell me, without looking at the yellow sign in the background, is this a group of not-diverse tea party bigots or a picture from the "reason rally" in 2012?

Based on the fact that the sign is spelled correctly - I'm going to go with the later

You weren't supposed to look at the sign before drawing your conclusion.


I was looking for something about a lack of crotchety old folks and bodily girth.

[SeattleGriz]

Hey now

Dont make Chizzy nervous.... he's in uncharted territory... defending Christianity

(I know.... not defending Christianity, just pointing out that as religions go it is much more moderate than Islam)

But it is still fun to watch so dont go making him have second thoughts

You will notice - or you certainly will in the next debate on religion around here...
That the actions of the Boston Bishops strengthens my Anti-Christian argument
in a few ways:

1) Bishops dismissing Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy in one fell swoop (Yikes!)
2) Christians don't know much about their religion - because they've never read the books of their faith
3) What a HUGE percentage of "Christians" are practicing today IS NOT Christianity by any definition
4) The only reason Christianity is meaningful at all in American society is because it is distinctly NOT actually Christianity as defined by its original doctrine - it has "morphed" to fit modern culture

Return to your debauchery you douches - As you were gentlemen

1) Why are they dismissing those Old Testament books. Do you know why?
2) What is the original doctrine of Christianity?

[JohnStOnge]

1) Why are they dismissing those Old Testament books. Do you know why?
2) What is the original doctrine of Christianity?

Good job dude. Bear in mind that I am agnostic.But those are two very good questions for the person to whom you are responding.

The response should be interesting.

[Chizzang]

You will notice - or you certainly will in the next debate on religion around here...
That the actions of the Boston Bishops strengthens my Anti-Christian argument
in a few ways:

1) Bishops dismissing Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy in one fell swoop (Yikes!)
2) Christians don't know much about their religion - because they've never read the books of their faith
3) What a HUGE percentage of "Christians" are practicing today IS NOT Christianity by any definition
4) The only reason Christianity is meaningful at all in American society is because it is distinctly NOT actually Christianity as defined by its original doctrine - it has "morphed" to fit modern culture

Return to your debauchery you douches - As you were gentlemen

1) Why are they dismissing those Old Testament books. Do you know why?
2) What is the original doctrine of Christianity?

Off the top of my head Deuteronomy 13:6
He must surely be put to death - those who commit acts against the faith etc. etc. blah blah blah

The book of Samuel in Deuteronomy has a few doozies
About striking down those against god - do not spare them - kill them all man woman and child... etc. etc.

Seriously
It really does seem like the more devout the Christian the less they know about the Bible
Quite literally "Blind Devotion" as in willfully blind and unknowing as to what exactly they are so devoted to

How is it that you have not even a clue as to what in the Old Testament..?

Secondly:
The original Doctrine of Christianity is covered quite well by The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
A very real organization devoted to the original doctrine and defending it against heathens like me
See them here:
https://carm.org/christian-doctrine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Let me know if you kids need anything else

[kalm]

1) Why are they dismissing those Old Testament books. Do you know why?
2) What is the original doctrine of Christianity?

Off the top of my head Deuteronomy 13:6
He must surely be put to death - those who commit acts against the faith etc. etc. blah blah blah

The book of Samuel in Deuteronomy has a few doozies
About striking down those against god - do not spare them - kill them all man woman and child... etc. etc.

Seriously
It really does seem like the more devout the Christian the less they know about the Bible
Quite literally "Blind Devotion" as in willfully blind and unknowing as to what exactly they are so devoted to

How is it that you have not even a clue as to what in the Old Testament..?

Secondly:
The original Doctrine of Christianity is covered quite well by The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
A very real organization devoted to the original doctrine and defending it against heathens like me
See them here:
https://carm.org/christian-doctrine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Let me know if you kids need anything else

So "accept Jesus Christ as your savior" and try?

Seems fairly benign.

[SeattleGriz]

1) Why are they dismissing those Old Testament books. Do you know why?
2) What is the original doctrine of Christianity?

Off the top of my head Deuteronomy 13:6
He must surely be put to death - those who commit acts against the faith etc. etc. blah blah blah

The book of Samuel in Deuteronomy has a few doozies
About striking down those against god - do not spare them - kill them all man woman and child... etc. etc.

Seriously
It really does seem like the more devout the Christian the less they know about the Bible
Quite literally "Blind Devotion" as in willfully blind and unknowing as to what exactly they are so devoted to

How is it that you have not even a clue as to what in the Old Testament..?

Secondly:
The original Doctrine of Christianity is covered quite well by The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
A very real organization devoted to the original doctrine and defending it against heathens like me
See them here:
https://carm.org/christian-doctrine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Let me know if you kids need anything else

Have you ever thought about researching the Covenants of the Bible? That might explain what you seem to be missing in regards to newer scriptures replacing older. If I can get on the computer instead of the tablet I would try to explain and provide a link. Will edit post later to include.

Your CARM link has a little bit about it, but doesn't go very deep, not that the concept requires hours of study.

EDIT Portion: I am going to put in my words to save time, so it will be very general and most likely not totally accurate. God had agreements with man called covenants, and those agreements were put in place to help man stay in God's good grace. They started out as between God and Adam and after another six more, the covenants included all of humanity.

Pretty cool to see an agreement with God go from one man and mature into one that covers all of humanity. You can see the progression as you read the Bible. God reaches out to man and says that if they follow certain rules, He can bless them - but man always ends up shitting on God, until the next covenant, in which man again shits on God. God is ALWAYS reaching out to man to have a relationship throughout the Bible.

Finally, we get to the last covenant, which if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, you will have eternal salvation and all your sins will be forgiven. When Jesus established the new covenant, he made some of the older ones obsolete and therefore mankind doesn't have to follow some of the older rules, of which, many originated in the Old Testament.

Taking your Deuteronomy 13:6. Jesus' blood covers all sins, so acting against the faith isn't punishable by death anymore, because it isn't relevant.

Like I stated, I may have butchered it a little, but you get the concept.

Why do you think so many on here kept trying to tell those that didn't believe they "just didn't understand what they were saying" in our last monster thread?

By the way, I have read the Old Testament through twice, as I have the entire Bible. Even though I haven't read the Bible in weeks, does that make me one of those Christians that doesn't read their own book?

Lastly, CARM's definition of a Christian is pretty straightforward, so I now have to ask, "What Christians are you familiar with that don't fit the "original doctrine" of Christianity? Sounds as if you are conflating Old Testament with New and are confused.

[Chizzang]

Off the top of my head Deuteronomy 13:6
He must surely be put to death - those who commit acts against the faith etc. etc. blah blah blah

The book of Samuel in Deuteronomy has a few doozies
About striking down those against god - do not spare them - kill them all man woman and child... etc. etc.

Seriously
It really does seem like the more devout the Christian the less they know about the Bible
Quite literally "Blind Devotion" as in willfully blind and unknowing as to what exactly they are so devoted to

How is it that you have not even a clue as to what in the Old Testament..?

Secondly:
The original Doctrine of Christianity is covered quite well by The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry
A very real organization devoted to the original doctrine and defending it against heathens like me
See them here:
https://carm.org/christian-doctrine" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Let me know if you kids need anything else

Have you ever thought about researching the Covenants of the Bible? That might explain what you seem to be missing in regards to newer scriptures replacing older. If I can get on the computer instead of the tablet I would try to explain and provide a link. Will edit post later to include.

Your CARM link has a little bit about it, but doesn't go very deep, not that the concept requires hours of study.

EDIT Portion: I am going to put in my words to save time, so it will be very general and most likely not totally accurate. God had agreements with man called covenants, and those agreements were put in place to help man stay in God's good grace. They started out as between God and Adam and after another six more, the covenants included all of humanity.

Pretty cool to see an agreement with God go from one man and mature into one that covers all of humanity. You can see the progression as you read the Bible. God reaches out to man and says that if they follow certain rules, He can bless them - but man always ends up shitting on God, until the next covenant, in which man again shits on God. God is ALWAYS reaching out to man to have a relationship throughout the Bible.

Finally, we get to the last covenant, which if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, you will have eternal salvation and all your sins will be forgiven. When Jesus established the new covenant, he made some of the older ones obsolete and therefore mankind doesn't have to follow some of the older rules, of which, many originated in the Old Testament.

Taking your Deuteronomy 13:6. Jesus' blood covers all sins, so acting against the faith isn't punishable by death anymore, because it isn't relevant.

Like I stated, I may have butchered it a little, but you get the concept.

Why do you think so many on here kept trying to tell those that didn't believe they "just didn't understand what they were saying" in our last monster thread?

By the way, I have read the Old Testament through twice, as I have the entire Bible. Even though I haven't read the Bible in weeks, does that make me one of those Christians that doesn't read their own book?

Lastly, CARM's definition of a Christian is pretty straightforward, so I now have to ask, "What Christians are you familiar with that don't fit the "original doctrine" of Christianity? Sounds as if you are conflating Old Testament with New and are confused.

You're talking about the fulfillment from Romans and Mathew...
Which if read literally as "the completion of the agreement" as stated in Mathew and Romans then all that was written (the old testament) is fulfilled... etc. etc. blah blah

So there is NO NEED FOR A CHURCH
Each "man" must establish his own faith with GOD
Something like Colossians the Sabbath days have also been fulfilled on the cross of Jesus
So Sunday and masses are no longer "sacred"

So you either "Believe" that the deal is done - and complete
Which means NO ORGANIZED RELIGION changing money
and building cathedrals with piles of wealth and stature

Or you do not...

Which is precisely why "spiritual people" tend to be way more connected to god and the world as it is today
Than "religious" people - who are trapped and mostly confused
As I have said many times on this forum: The more you follow the bible word for word - the farther you are from anything even remotely resembling GOD



Good Luck with the picking and choosing of this word and that and dismissing this sentence and not that
It is - or it is not... But as I've said: Christianity morphs as desired because it MUST to stay relevant
Not because it was written that way

[SeattleGriz]

Have you ever thought about researching the Covenants of the Bible? That might explain what you seem to be missing in regards to newer scriptures replacing older. If I can get on the computer instead of the tablet I would try to explain and provide a link. Will edit post later to include.

Your CARM link has a little bit about it, but doesn't go very deep, not that the concept requires hours of study.

EDIT Portion: I am going to put in my words to save time, so it will be very general and most likely not totally accurate. God had agreements with man called covenants, and those agreements were put in place to help man stay in God's good grace. They started out as between God and Adam and after another six more, the covenants included all of humanity.

Pretty cool to see an agreement with God go from one man and mature into one that covers all of humanity. You can see the progression as you read the Bible. God reaches out to man and says that if they follow certain rules, He can bless them - but man always ends up shitting on God, until the next covenant, in which man again shits on God. God is ALWAYS reaching out to man to have a relationship throughout the Bible.

Finally, we get to the last covenant, which if you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, you will have eternal salvation and all your sins will be forgiven. When Jesus established the new covenant, he made some of the older ones obsolete and therefore mankind doesn't have to follow some of the older rules, of which, many originated in the Old Testament.

Taking your Deuteronomy 13:6. Jesus' blood covers all sins, so acting against the faith isn't punishable by death anymore, because it isn't relevant.

Like I stated, I may have butchered it a little, but you get the concept.

Why do you think so many on here kept trying to tell those that didn't believe they "just didn't understand what they were saying" in our last monster thread?

By the way, I have read the Old Testament through twice, as I have the entire Bible. Even though I haven't read the Bible in weeks, does that make me one of those Christians that doesn't read their own book?

Lastly, CARM's definition of a Christian is pretty straightforward, so I now have to ask, "What Christians are you familiar with that don't fit the "original doctrine" of Christianity? Sounds as if you are conflating Old Testament with New and are confused.

You're talking about the fulfillment from Romans and Mathew...
Which if read literally as "the completion of the agreement" as stated in Mathew and Romans then all that was written (the old testament) is fulfilled... etc. etc. blah blah

So there is NO NEED FOR A CHURCH
Each "man" must establish his own faith with GOD
Something like Colossians the Sabbath days have also been fulfilled on the cross of Jesus
So Sunday and masses are no longer "sacred"

So you either "Believe" that the deal is done - and complete
Which means NO ORGANIZED RELIGION changing money
and building cathedrals with piles of wealth and stature

Or you do not...

Which is precisely why "spiritual people" tend to be way more connected to god and the world as it is today
Than "religious" people - who are trapped and mostly confused
As I have said many times on this forum: The more you follow the bible word for word - the farther you are from anything even remotely resembling GOD



Good Luck with the picking and choosing of this word and that and dismissing this sentence and not that
It is - or it is not... But as I've said: Christianity morphs as desired because it MUST to stay relevant
Not because it was written that way

So let me get this straight. You knew the answer, but made the incorrect statement anyway? Troll Fail!! But at least you looked it up on the internet and sounded like you knew what you were saying.

If you believe that not following the Bible closely is better, then why the issue with dismissal of Old testament?

As for the "ever morphing" Christianity, you are stating the obvious, for it has always been that way. Another swing and a huge wiff! Islam and Judaism are primarily religions of law. Christianity is not a religion of law, but one of creed.

Maybe next we can talk about the huge conspiracy of omitted writings. That is so cool how the books are available for all to read, but somehow Christianity has found a way to hide them in plain site so the sheeples don't know any better. Good one! I love it.

Dude. You are very close to perfecting your "Christian Trolling Package". I will give you credit, you have put some effort into it.

[Chizzang]

I do understand that you are easily confused...
My original post that you took issue with was me explaining
That POPES acknowledge that the OLD TESTAMENT is no longer part the "Doctrine"

Do I not say that..? (Answer: Yes I do)
Do you then go on to say the same thing that I said but in "Christian Speak"

Do I then go on to point out that Islam has NO SIMILAR dismissal of ancient brutalities
and that Islam - Unlike Christianity HAS NOT adapted to modern Culture

The Point:
I cannot successfully argue against BOTH Religions on the same grounds
They are different with each their own issues
Islam just happens to presently be more dangerous

I will debate you on the "values" of Christianity anytime
but I am at a distinct disadvantage to debate them on two fronts simultaneously
Where I make note of the POPES here as a good thing - I will later debate it as a flaw in your faith

[SeattleGriz]

I do understand that you are easily confused...
My original post that you took issue with was me explaining
That POPES acknowledge that the OLD TESTAMENT is no longer part the "Doctrine"

Do I not say that..? (Answer: Yes I do)
Do you then go on to say the same thing that I said but in "Christian Speak"

Do I then go on to point out that Islam has NO SIMILAR dismissal of ancient brutalities
and that Islam - Unlike Christianity HAS NOT adapted to modern Culture

The Point:
I cannot successfully argue against BOTH Religions on the same grounds
They are different with each their own issues
Islam just happens to presently be more dangerous

I will debate you on the "values" of Christianity anytime
but I am at a distinct disadvantage to debate them on two fronts simultaneously
Where I make note of the POPES here as a good thing - I will later debate it as a flaw in your faith

I don't have a pope...and I did go back and read what you posted and dammit, you're right. I took it out of context. Why do you think I was telling you your game was weak? I was reading it as a criticism.

Taco Cat?

I was all excited to get on the board for a night and jumped the gun!

There can only be one explanation as to why you are finally making sense...you're plagiarising from someone!

[CID1990]

maybe Islam IS the right religion- Muslims have been perfect for over 800 years - they are v1.0

Christians are now on v4.3

[SeattleGriz]

maybe Islam IS the right religion- Muslims have been perfect for over 800 years - they are v1.0

Christians are now on v4.3

Too little too late.

[Chizzang]

maybe Islam IS the right religion- Muslims have been perfect for over 800 years - they are v1.0

Christians are now on v4.3

The ways in which common sects of Christianity today are "less crazy" than Islam v1.0 is a long list
Starting with - and most notably - the dismissal of the Ancient ultra crazy books of the original doctrine

325 AD
Followed closely by the council throwing out dozens of books (tightening up the story)
and rejecting Arius’s observation that this Jesus guy was obviously just a man with divine attributes

Emperor Constantine meddled endlessly with the interpretation as well
some very significant "upgrades" came from his fussing with the bible and the saved history

then in 450 AD
there was another editing session for modernization purposes called The council of Chalcedon

The now famous Council of Trent
Held in the mid-1500's made some major modifications (Lutherans and Protestants)

If Christianity hadn't "adapted"
with re-writes and edits over the centuries it would be just as bat-sh!t crazy as Islam
of that I am certain

[SeattleGriz]

maybe Islam IS the right religion- Muslims have been perfect for over 800 years - they are v1.0

Christians are now on v4.3

The ways in which common sects of Christianity today are "less crazy" than Islam v1.0 is a long list
Starting with - and most notably - the dismissal of the Ancient ultra crazy books of the original doctrine

325 AD
Followed closely by the council throwing out dozens of books (tightening up the story)
and rejecting Arius’s observation that this Jesus guy was obviously just a man with divine attributes

Emperor Constantine meddled endlessly with the interpretation as well
some very significant "upgrades" came from his fussing with the bible and the saved history

then in 450 AD
there was another editing session for modernization purposes called The council of Chalcedon

The now famous Council of Trent
Held in the mid-1500's made some major modifications (Lutherans and Protestants)

If Christianity hadn't "adapted"
with re-writes and edits over the centuries it would be just as bat-sh!t crazy as Islam
of that I am certain

Exactly which ancient crazy original doctrine books where thrown out, as well as those in 325?