Obama Proposes Free CC

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

You are gonna need a bigger magnifying glass.

Maybe there is a government program that can help you get one for free..............if there isnt THERE SHOULD BE!!

[CID1990]

More largesse and free **** from a government that already cannot balance the books

Plus, who here believes that community college fees WON'T go through the roof the minute the government starts subsidizing them? We've been down this road before people, but by all means... continue to be mesmerized by the colorful blinky lights

You mean, like 4 year colleges?

you know thats what I meant by having gone down this road before

[GannonFan]

Excellent...so you agree with me that the system works as it currently is structured.

How foolish of you!

Yeah…that's why I brought up post WWII. Christ, the California system was free back in before Reagan decided he didn't want to educate people who turn around and vote against him.

Education financing is broken for the consumer. Bypass the banks making money off government largesse and pushing paper and create a more educated, productive, and innovative work force. It's a win, win, and we can afford it. We simply choose not to.

Why do you single out banks? I don't recall them being the ones who have raised tuition at colleges over the past 20 years as government contributions have climbed. The ones raising the tuition are the noble "not for profit" schools. Like another poster said, the key is to make sure that college tuitions, even at the CC's, don't rise faster than the amount of government aid coming their way. The banks are the least of our problems in this regard.

[kalm]

Yeah…that's why I brought up post WWII. Christ, the California system was free back in before Reagan decided he didn't want to educate people who turn around and vote against him.

Education financing is broken for the consumer. Bypass the banks making money off government largesse and pushing paper and create a more educated, productive, and innovative work force. It's a win, win, and we can afford it. We simply choose not to.

Why do you single out banks? I don't recall them being the ones who have raised tuition at colleges over the past 20 years as government contributions have climbed. The ones raising the tuition are the noble "not for profit" schools. Like another poster said, the key is to make sure that college tuitions, even at the CC's, don't rise faster than the amount of government aid coming their way. The banks are the least of our problems in this regard.

I've acknowledged your idea of the role universities play, and I think it has validity, but who owns all of that tuition debt, Ganny?

[CID1990]

As long as we remember these two things

1. It isn't about subsidizing students, its about subsidizing community colleges

2. this is nothing more than a political stunt by a president who has already been a lame duck for two years running: come up with a wildly populist proposal with GOP majorities in both the House and Senate so that it has NO PRAYER of going anywhere, then vilify the GOP as anti-education

2016 will add the War on Education to the War on Wimmen TM

[YoUDeeMan]

Yeah…that's why I brought up post WWII. Christ, the California system was free back in before Reagan decided he didn't want to educate people who turn around and vote against him.

Education financing is broken for the consumer. Bypass the banks making money off government largesse and pushing paper and create a more educated, productive, and innovative work force. It's a win, win, and we can afford it. We simply choose not to.

There you go again...comparing WWII to today's world.

Education is wonderful if people choose to go into professions that actually have value.

If someone goes to a 4-year school and comes out with $80,000 in debt, and a major in Flower Painting, are you seriously going to put the blame on the banks?

California community colleges have a 70% drop out rate (those who didn't get a certificate/degree or go on to complete their education at a 4 year school). Arizona CC's have a 3-year completion rate of just 18.2%.

An education through high school is free. How's that working out?

Hello.

You believe the problem with education is with the banks and financing.

This country has all sorts of ways to afford an education, including the military. Let me know what percentage of the population is missing out on the plethora of current educational opportunities simply due to financing.

[kalm]

Yeah…that's why I brought up post WWII. Christ, the California system was free back in before Reagan decided he didn't want to educate people who turn around and vote against him.

Education financing is broken for the consumer. Bypass the banks making money off government largesse and pushing paper and create a more educated, productive, and innovative work force. It's a win, win, and we can afford it. We simply choose not to.

There you go again...comparing WWII to today's world.

Education is wonderful if people choose to go into professions that actually have value.

If someone goes to a 4-year school and comes out with $80,000 in debt, and a major in Flower Painting, are you seriously going to put the blame on the banks?

California community colleges have a 70% drop out rate (those who didn't get a certificate/degree or go on to complete their education at a 4 year school). Arizona CC's have a 3-year completion rate of just 18.2%.

An education through high school is free. How's that working out?

Hello.

You believe the problem with education is with the banks and financing.

This country has all sorts of ways to afford an education, including the military. Let me know what percentage of the population is missing out on the plethora of current educational opportunities simply due to financing.

1) This proposal requires maintaining a 2.5 GPA, so if they drop out, no harm, no foul. BTW, while you're providing the links to drop out rates, perhaps you can google the success of CC programs too.

2) I agree irrelevant 4 year degrees shouldn't be pursued. But we're talking about CC's here who tend to offer more practical, stream lined education.

It's not much of a stretch to see how making an investment in human infrastructure can pay off in spades…especially if it's the right type of training and money isn't being skimmed off the top.

This country has all sorts of ways to afford an education, including the military. Let me know what percentage of the population is missing out on the plethora of current educational opportunities simply due to financing.

Evidently, it's around 47%...

[YoUDeeMan]

1) This proposal requires maintaining a 2.5 GPA, so if they drop out, no harm, no foul. BTW, while you're providing the links to drop out rates, perhaps you can google the success of CC programs too.

2) I agree irrelevant 4 year degrees shouldn't be pursued. But we're talking about CC's here who tend to offer more practical, stream lined education.

It's not much of a stretch to see how making an investment in human infrastructure can pay off in spades…especially if it's the right type of training and money isn't being skimmed off the top.

This country has all sorts of ways to afford an education, including the military. Let me know what percentage of the population is missing out on the plethora of current educational opportunities simply due to financing.

Evidently, it's around 47%...

1) If by, "no harm, no foul," you mean we've wasted taxpayer money, then yeah...I agree.

2) Have you seen what courses CC's offer these days? I have a feeling you'd be surprised at the sh!t that is served up at CCs.

We're failing at K-12 education...and you want to double down on providing more taxpayer money for even more free education.

Funny, you rant about businesses getting tax breaks, and you rant about companies that don't invest in their people. Yet you are doing a 180 degree turn and saying that taxpayers should be providing free training for workers for those businesses.

[kalm]

1) This proposal requires maintaining a 2.5 GPA, so if they drop out, no harm, no foul. BTW, while you're providing the links to drop out rates, perhaps you can google the success of CC programs too.

2) I agree irrelevant 4 year degrees shouldn't be pursued. But we're talking about CC's here who tend to offer more practical, stream lined education.

It's not much of a stretch to see how making an investment in human infrastructure can pay off in spades…especially if it's the right type of training and money isn't being skimmed off the top.



Evidently, it's around 47%...

1) If by, "no harm, no foul," you mean we've wasted taxpayer money, then yeah...I agree.

2) Have you seen what courses CC's offer these days? I have a feeling you'd be surprised at the sh!t that is served up at CCs.

We're failing at K-12 education...and you want to double down on providing more taxpayer money for even more free education.

Funny, you rant about businesses getting tax breaks, and you rant about companies that don't invest in their people. Yet you are doing a 180 degree turn and saying that taxpayers should be providing free training for workers for those businesses.

Many companies invest in their employees.

Public training and research has a rich history of stimulating the economy.

K-12 education problems are parent and socio-economic driven. (My school district is fantastic and go ask your wife about this for help).

Please list CC curriculums...

[YoUDeeMan]

1) Many companies invest in their employees.

Public training and research has a rich history of stimulating the economy.

K-12 education problems are parent and socio-economic driven. (My school district is fantastic and go ask your wife about this for help).

Please list CC curriculums...

1) Yes, that's great. We're not talking about those companies. We're talking about the ones who expect the taxpayers to pick up the tab for their employee's education.

2) Does all public training and research have a rich history of stimulating the economy?Should we support all public training and research? Why stop at community colleges

3) Are you saying that parental and socio-economic problems go away for those in community colleges?

4) I did some research before I posted. As usual, you did not.

As I said, community colleges have a lot more dead weight than you'd realize. Of course, you can pull up your local CC's curriculum and determine if you want to spend taxpayer money on a plethora of Fundamental of Policing certificates of achievement, or a hoard of Hotel Resort Management degrees, or a ton of Film and Television graduates.

First Year/First Semester
ENG-101 English Composition I 3
COM-101 Mass Media 3
FLM-105 Filmmaking Basics: Structuring Light, Sound & Space 3
HIS-101 World Civilization I 3
MTH-107 Math for Liberal Arts 3
15
Second Semester
ENG-102 English Composition II 3
FLM-101 Television Appreciation 3
FLM-110 Filmmaking I 3
HIS-102 World Civilization II 3
PSY-101 Basic Psychology 3
15
Second Year/First Semester
COM-201 Electronic News Reporting 3
COM-206 Video Field Production 3
FLM-201 Film Appreciation 3
FLM-210 Filmmaking II 3
FLM-215 Production Internship I 3
15
Second Semester
ART-103 Visual Culture 3
ART-165 Color: Theory & Practice 3
FLM-220 Production Internship II 3
MGT-221 Small Business Management 3
SPE-102 Public Speaking 3
15
Total Minimum Credits 60

Tell me, what, exactly, is Math for Liberal Arts?

Why do we need taxpayers floating the bill for Television Appreciation?

I could go on...I really could.

But hey, I'll insert this right here..because education is a wonderful thing:

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dr-tennell ... 2b/a07/679" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/new ... /21692317/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Amid accusations its co-leaders used school credit cards for more than $94,000 in personal purchases, the Family Foundations Academy charter school has fired the pair, re-shuffled its board, and handed the reins to the leaders of Eastside Charter School in hopes of convincing the state that it should stay open.

“I’m the academic person, he was the finance person, and he was the one who opened those accounts and who did those things,” Brewington said.

The former co-leader complained the all-male board, some of whom she said were fraternity brothers of Moore’s, mistreated her by blaming her for the transactions when they were Moore’s responsibility.

“It was all of these men against this one woman,” she said. “I just want people to know that I wasn’t sitting around saying I’m gonna use this state card to buy stuff. I was the academic person, that was my job.”'

[kalm]

1) Many companies invest in their employees.

Public training and research has a rich history of stimulating the economy.

K-12 education problems are parent and socio-economic driven. (My school district is fantastic and go ask your wife about this for help).

Please list CC curriculums...

1) Yes, that's great. We're not talking about those companies. We're talking about the ones who expect the taxpayers to pick up the tab for their employee's education.

2) Does all public training and research have a rich history of stimulating the economy?Should we support all public training and research? Why stop at community colleges

3) Are you saying that parental and socio-economic problems go away for those in community colleges?

4) I did some research before I posted. As usual, you did not.

As I said, community colleges have a lot more dead weight than you'd realize. Of course, you can pull up your local CC's curriculum and determine if you want to spend taxpayer money on a plethora of Fundamental of Policing certificates of achievement, or a hoard of Hotel Resort Management degrees, or a ton of Film and Television graduates.

First Year/First Semester
ENG-101 English Composition I 3
COM-101 Mass Media 3
FLM-105 Filmmaking Basics: Structuring Light, Sound & Space 3
HIS-101 World Civilization I 3
MTH-107 Math for Liberal Arts 3
15
Second Semester
ENG-102 English Composition II 3
FLM-101 Television Appreciation 3
FLM-110 Filmmaking I 3
HIS-102 World Civilization II 3
PSY-101 Basic Psychology 3
15
Second Year/First Semester
COM-201 Electronic News Reporting 3
COM-206 Video Field Production 3
FLM-201 Film Appreciation 3
FLM-210 Filmmaking II 3
FLM-215 Production Internship I 3
15
Second Semester
ART-103 Visual Culture 3
ART-165 Color: Theory & Practice 3
FLM-220 Production Internship II 3
MGT-221 Small Business Management 3
SPE-102 Public Speaking 3
15
Total Minimum Credits 60

Tell me, what, exactly, is Math for Liberal Arts?

Why do we need taxpayers floating the bill for Television Appreciation?

I could go on...I really could.

But hey, I'll insert this right here..because education is a wonderful thing:

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dr-tennell ... 2b/a07/679" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/new ... /21692317/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Amid accusations its co-leaders used school credit cards for more than $94,000 in personal purchases, the Family Foundations Academy charter school has fired the pair, re-shuffled its board, and handed the reins to the leaders of Eastside Charter School in hopes of convincing the state that it should stay open.

“I’m the academic person, he was the finance person, and he was the one who opened those accounts and who did those things,” Brewington said.

The former co-leader complained the all-male board, some of whom she said were fraternity brothers of Moore’s, mistreated her by blaming her for the transactions when they were Moore’s responsibility.

“It was all of these men against this one woman,” she said. “I just want people to know that I wasn’t sitting around saying I’m gonna use this state card to buy stuff. I was the academic person, that was my job.”'

Your posts are getting longer and more anecdotal. You're trying to hard.

Education like any nationwide, gigantic system has it's shortcomings and failures and it's easy to come up with examples . If I find you worthy of pre-research, I'll let you know.

I'll take the good with the bad. As I've mentioned before, I attended a high school with ash trays so I could play collegiate golf and I still have contact with students and faculty who are Spokane Falls CC Fighting Sasquatch. It does a fine job of providing practical training for a variety of trades and service sector management positions as well as placing kids in 4 year schools. I'm sure it's not alone.

Turning today's potential fry cooks into tomorrows cops, service managers, book keepers, brick layers, cement masons, paralegals, network admins, and turf grass managers is a noble cause and worth paying for, Clucky. In some ways, CC's are probably more efficient and relevant than some 4-years.

[Baldy]

1) Yes, that's great. We're not talking about those companies. We're talking about the ones who expect the taxpayers to pick up the tab for their employee's education.

2) Does all public training and research have a rich history of stimulating the economy?Should we support all public training and research? Why stop at community colleges

3) Are you saying that parental and socio-economic problems go away for those in community colleges?

4) I did some research before I posted. As usual, you did not.

As I said, community colleges have a lot more dead weight than you'd realize. Of course, you can pull up your local CC's curriculum and determine if you want to spend taxpayer money on a plethora of Fundamental of Policing certificates of achievement, or a hoard of Hotel Resort Management degrees, or a ton of Film and Television graduates.

First Year/First Semester
ENG-101 English Composition I 3
COM-101 Mass Media 3
FLM-105 Filmmaking Basics: Structuring Light, Sound & Space 3
HIS-101 World Civilization I 3
MTH-107 Math for Liberal Arts 3
15
Second Semester
ENG-102 English Composition II 3
FLM-101 Television Appreciation 3
FLM-110 Filmmaking I 3
HIS-102 World Civilization II 3
PSY-101 Basic Psychology 3
15
Second Year/First Semester
COM-201 Electronic News Reporting 3
COM-206 Video Field Production 3
FLM-201 Film Appreciation 3
FLM-210 Filmmaking II 3
FLM-215 Production Internship I 3
15
Second Semester
ART-103 Visual Culture 3
ART-165 Color: Theory & Practice 3
FLM-220 Production Internship II 3
MGT-221 Small Business Management 3
SPE-102 Public Speaking 3
15
Total Minimum Credits 60

Tell me, what, exactly, is Math for Liberal Arts?

Why do we need taxpayers floating the bill for Television Appreciation?

I could go on...I really could.

But hey, I'll insert this right here..because education is a wonderful thing:

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/dr-tennell ... 2b/a07/679" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.delawareonline.com/story/new ... /21692317/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Amid accusations its co-leaders used school credit cards for more than $94,000 in personal purchases, the Family Foundations Academy charter school has fired the pair, re-shuffled its board, and handed the reins to the leaders of Eastside Charter School in hopes of convincing the state that it should stay open.

“I’m the academic person, he was the finance person, and he was the one who opened those accounts and who did those things,” Brewington said.

The former co-leader complained the all-male board, some of whom she said were fraternity brothers of Moore’s, mistreated her by blaming her for the transactions when they were Moore’s responsibility.

“It was all of these men against this one woman,” she said. “I just want people to know that I wasn’t sitting around saying I’m gonna use this state card to buy stuff. I was the academic person, that was my job.”'

Your posts are getting longer and more anecdotal. You're trying to hard.

Education like any nationwide, gigantic system has it's shortcomings and failures and it's easy to come up with examples . If I find you worthy of pre-research, I'll let you know.

I'll take the good with the bad. As I've mentioned before, I attended a high school with ash trays so I could play collegiate golf and I still have contact with students and faculty who are Spokane Falls CC Fighting Sasquatch. It does a fine job of providing practical training for a variety of trades and service sector management positions as well as placing kids in 4 year schools. I'm sure it's not alone.

Turning today's potential fry cooks into tomorrows cops, service managers, book keepers, brick layers, cement masons, paralegals, network admins, and turf grass managers is a noble cause and worth paying for, Clucky. In some ways, CC's are probably more efficient and relevant than some 4-years.

Your nanny statism is admirable, but shortsighted. You're a good Donk, kalm.

Where are you going to draw the line?
Paying for someone's housing and food is just as noble and worth paying for, isn't it?

[Cap'n Cat]

Meanwhile................

[mrklean]

Now people want to bitch about free education. I wonder what the greatest generation would think of this Most of them (WWII vets) received free education. Now its a problem. TYPICAL!!!!

[ASUG8]

Now people want to bitch about free education. I wonder what the greatest generation would think of this Most of them (WWII vets) received free education. Now its a problem. TYPICAL!!!!

It's called the GI Bill - you serve, you get benefits. What's being proposed now is you do nothing but show up and get benefits somehow with money that magically appears. Typical donkey response.

[mrklean]

Now people want to bitch about free education. I wonder what the greatest generation would think of this Most of them (WWII vets) received free education. Now its a problem. TYPICAL!!!!

It's called the GI Bill - you serve, you get benefits. What's being proposed now is you do nothing but show up and get benefits somehow with money that magically appears. Typical donkey response.

My Grandfather served in WWII and never got a G.I Bill. Second, The free Community College is for trade skills jobs. And it will not be free.

[ASUG8]

It's called the GI Bill - you serve, you get benefits. What's being proposed now is you do nothing but show up and get benefits somehow with money that magically appears. Typical donkey response.

My Grandfather served in WWII and never got a G.I Bill. Second, The free Community College is for trade skills jobs. And it will not be free.

Nothing is free. You're catching on.

[GannonFan]

It's called the GI Bill - you serve, you get benefits. What's being proposed now is you do nothing but show up and get benefits somehow with money that magically appears. Typical donkey response.

My Grandfather served in WWII and never got a G.I Bill. Second, The free Community College is for trade skills jobs. And it will not be free.

Who says they are for trade skills jobs? The local Community Colleges around me don't even offer courses like that, they are basically liberal arts colleges without being as expensive as the traditional, big boy liberal arts colleges.

[kalm]

My Grandfather served in WWII and never got a G.I Bill. Second, The free Community College is for trade skills jobs. And it will not be free.

Who says they are for trade skills jobs? The local Community Colleges around me don't even offer courses like that, they are basically liberal arts colleges without being as expensive as the traditional, big boy liberal arts colleges.

We have two, one of which is almost exclusively for trades like auto repair, IT, cement work, landscaping etc. The other also has many two year business management type degree designed to get people in the work force without having a four year.

[YoUDeeMan]

Who says they are for trade skills jobs? The local Community Colleges around me don't even offer courses like that, they are basically liberal arts colleges without being as expensive as the traditional, big boy liberal arts colleges.

We have two, one of which is almost exclusively for trades like auto repair, IT, cement work, landscaping etc. The other also has many two year business management type degree designed to get people in the work force without having a four year.

So, now that GF has confirmed the existence of liberal arts Community Colleges, without much research (or cherry picking) needed by any educated person, let the battle begin over what types of CCs will provide this so called free education.

In the end...equality will win out and ALL of them will find a way to suck up more of our taxpayer money. And then, regular universities will suddenly start offering CC courses for free...and the drain opening only gets bigger.

And we will still have unemployed people...but a slightly better educated maintenance staff.

[Cap'n Cat]

Bronco:

[mrklean]

Bronco:

The typical Repuke Voter, uneducated and full of bias.

[LeadBolt]

Andy for President!

[Ibanez]

Bronco:

The typical Repuke Voter, uneducated and full of bias.

As if your liberal ass isn't? Spare us the hypocrisy.

[mrklean]

The typical Repuke Voter, uneducated and full of bias.

As if your liberal ass isn't? Spare us the hypocrisy.

Who says I'm a lib? Tell me five things I have in common with a Durty Lib. I love God, Guns Women, the Military and Football. and I believe you should spank your kid.