Just kill the snake

[Ivytalk]

We don't live in that world anymore...
We can't go back to 1976

What we didn't know in 1976 we now know in 2014
What wasn't reported in 1976 is being reported in 2014

NOTHING HAS CHANGED - other than visibility and some accountability

Islam is an extremely brutal and backwards religion (period) and it always has been and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future / The WORLD needs to stand against their ridiculous behavior and that includes Liberal America pulling its head out of its ass... We need a team effort (we can't flinch)

I'll give credit where credit is due!

[Chizzang]

We don't live in that world anymore...
We can't go back to 1976

What we didn't know in 1976 we now know in 2014
What wasn't reported in 1976 is being reported in 2014

NOTHING HAS CHANGED - other than visibility and some accountability

Islam is an extremely brutal and backwards religion (period) and it always has been and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future / The WORLD needs to stand against their ridiculous behavior and that includes Liberal America pulling its head out of its ass... We need a team effort (we can't flinch)

I'll give credit where credit is due!

Well I'll mark this moment down on my f_cking calendar...

BTW:
The worlds largest "WAR ON WOMEN" is being waged by Islam
And if American women were subjected to one one hundredth of the injustices we'd have a civil war on our hands - why we globally tolerate this in the name of Islam elsewhere is to our everlasting SHAME as humans

Islam is actually a WAR on common sense also

I could go on for another 100 pages..!!!

[Grizalltheway]

I'll give credit where credit is due!

Well I'll mark this moment down on my f_cking calendar...

BTW:
The worlds largest "WAR ON WOMEN" is being waged by Islam
And if American women were subjected to one one hundredth of the injustices we'd have a civil war on our hands - why we globally tolerate this in the name of Islam elsewhere is to our everlasting SHAME as humans

Islam is actually a WAR on common sense also

I could go on for another 100 pages..!!!

I don't think it's so much as tolerating it, as not having many options to change it. You can't really tell sovereign nations how to treat their people, as backwards and abhorrent as that treatment may be.

[Chizzang]

Well I'll mark this moment down on my f_cking calendar...

BTW:
The worlds largest "WAR ON WOMEN" is being waged by Islam
And if American women were subjected to one one hundredth of the injustices we'd have a civil war on our hands - why we globally tolerate this in the name of Islam elsewhere is to our everlasting SHAME as humans

Islam is actually a WAR on common sense also

I could go on for another 100 pages..!!!

I don't think it's so much as tolerating it, as not having many options to change it. You can't really tell sovereign nations how to treat their people, as backwards and abhorrent as that treatment may be.

Right but you can make a global statement
You can posture globally
you can meet with those leaders and televise the meeting and their explanations


The list of humiliations goes on and on and on... of which we do almost nothing
Because we don't actually care about human rights - we do NOT want to bring light to the situation
we care about cheap foreign labor and funneling their national resources into our coffers

We are NOT the guiding light of freedom - we are a mouthpiece that talks a good game


Hippie Out

[Grizalltheway]

I don't think it's so much as tolerating it, as not having many options to change it. You can't really tell sovereign nations how to treat their people, as backwards and abhorrent as that treatment may be.

Right but you can make a global statement
You can posture globally
you can meet with those leaders and televise the meeting and their explanations


The list of humiliations goes on and on and on... of which we do almost nothing
Because we don't actually care about human rights - we do NOT want to bring light to the situation
we care about cheap foreign labor and funneling their national resources into our coffers

We are NOT the guiding light of freedom - we are a mouthpiece that talks a good game


Hippie Out

You mean...like this?

[Skjellyfetti]

We don't live in that world anymore...
We can't go back to 1976

What we didn't know in 1976 we now know in 2014
What wasn't reported in 1976 is being reported in 2014

NOTHING HAS CHANGED - other than visibility and some accountability

Islam is an extremely brutal and backwards religion (period) and it always has been and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future / The WORLD needs to stand against their ridiculous behavior and that includes Liberal America pulling its head out of its ass... We need a team effort (we can't flinch)

A lot has changed, Cleets.

The spread of Wahabi Sunni Islam by Saudi Arabia... that, in turn gave rise to Taliban, Al Qaeda, and now ISIS. It's an extreme sect of Islam... and, yes... it has gained a lot of traction in the last couple of decades. But, it doesn't represent all of the 1,000,000,000+ muslims in the world.

If a distinction between Wahabi and other sects of Islam is too nuanced... at the very least a distinction needs to be made between Sunni and Shiite. Hamas, Al Qaeda, Sunni, the VAST majority of all the Islamic terrorist organizations are Sunni and encouraged by Saudi Arabia.

[Ivytalk]

I'll give credit where credit is due!

Well I'll mark this moment down on my f_cking calendar...

BTW:
The worlds largest "WAR ON WOMEN" is being waged by Islam
And if American women were subjected to one one hundredth of the injustices we'd have a civil war on our hands - why we globally tolerate this in the name of Islam elsewhere is to our everlasting SHAME as humans

Islam is actually a WAR on common sense also

I could go on for another 100 pages..!!!

You better, Hippy, because it may never f_cking happen again.

[Ivytalk]

We don't live in that world anymore...
We can't go back to 1976

What we didn't know in 1976 we now know in 2014
What wasn't reported in 1976 is being reported in 2014

NOTHING HAS CHANGED - other than visibility and some accountability

Islam is an extremely brutal and backwards religion (period) and it always has been and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future / The WORLD needs to stand against their ridiculous behavior and that includes Liberal America pulling its head out of its ass... We need a team effort (we can't flinch)

A lot has changed, Cleets.

The spread of Wahabi Sunni Islam by Saudi Arabia... that, in turn gave rise to Taliban, Al Qaeda, and now ISIS. It's an extreme sect of Islam... and, yes... it has gained a lot of traction in the last couple of decades. But, it doesn't represent all of the 1,000,000,000+ muslims in the world.

If a distinction between Wahabi and other sects of Islam is too nuanced... at the very least a distinction needs to be made between Sunni and Shiite. Hamas, Al Qaeda, Sunni, the VAST majority of all the Islamic terrorist organizations are Sunni and encouraged by Saudi Arabia.

I agree. Let's be "nuanced" (amazing how often that word appears in the Donk public policy lexicon) and just fry half of them.

[Chizzang]

We don't live in that world anymore...
We can't go back to 1976

What we didn't know in 1976 we now know in 2014
What wasn't reported in 1976 is being reported in 2014

NOTHING HAS CHANGED - other than visibility and some accountability

Islam is an extremely brutal and backwards religion (period) and it always has been and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future / The WORLD needs to stand against their ridiculous behavior and that includes Liberal America pulling its head out of its ass... We need a team effort (we can't flinch)

A lot has changed, Cleets.

The spread of Wahabi Sunni Islam by Saudi Arabia... that, in turn gave rise to Taliban, Al Qaeda, and now ISIS. It's an extreme sect of Islam... and, yes... it has gained a lot of traction in the last couple of decades. But, it doesn't represent all of the 1,000,000,000+ muslims in the world.

If a distinction between Wahabi and other sects of Islam is too nuanced... at the very least a distinction needs to be made between Sunni and Shiite. Hamas, Al Qaeda, Sunni, the VAST majority of all the Islamic terrorist organizations are Sunni and encouraged by Saudi Arabia.

I see this ^ as THE # 1 problem...
We're making this into our problem of misunderstanding and its distinctly NOT THAT
Its their problem that THEY will NEVER bother to fix if there are not consequences

The subtleties and nuances are horse sh!t in my view
and that argument has landed us precisely where we are today

[Ivytalk]

A lot has changed, Cleets.

The spread of Wahabi Sunni Islam by Saudi Arabia... that, in turn gave rise to Taliban, Al Qaeda, and now ISIS. It's an extreme sect of Islam... and, yes... it has gained a lot of traction in the last couple of decades. But, it doesn't represent all of the 1,000,000,000+ muslims in the world.

If a distinction between Wahabi and other sects of Islam is too nuanced... at the very least a distinction needs to be made between Sunni and Shiite. Hamas, Al Qaeda, Sunni, the VAST majority of all the Islamic terrorist organizations are Sunni and encouraged by Saudi Arabia.

I see this ^ as THE # 1 problem...
We're making this into our problem of misunderstanding and its distinctly NOT THAT
Its their problem that THEY will NEVER bother to fix if there are not consequences

The subtleties and nuances are horse sh!t in my view
and that argument has landed us precisely where we are today

And, lo and behold, Jill Stein has morphed into John McCain!

[Skjellyfetti]

Ok. So, what is your solution?

Do you agree with JSO that we should just kill all 1,000,000,000 muslims in the world?

Are you slightly more moderate and think that we should deport or execute all 2,500,000 muslims in this country?

If you see this as "THE #1 problem" - what is your solution to it?

[Chizzang]

Watch this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw1TLVKadzg[/youtube]

[ASUG8]

Right but you can make a global statement
You can posture globally
you can meet with those leaders and televise the meeting and their explanations


The list of humiliations goes on and on and on... of which we do almost nothing
Because we don't actually care about human rights - we do NOT want to bring light to the situation
we care about cheap foreign labor and funneling their national resources into our coffers

We are NOT the guiding light of freedom - we are a mouthpiece that talks a good game


Hippie Out

Not sure I agree here, Cleets. Try having a liberal party, freedom of religion (or to practice anything at all) or the freedom of expression to even discuss anything contrary to the teachings of the Koran anywhere in the Arabian peninsula. We're imperfect and the great Satan, but we are at least afforded those rights and are likely viewed by a silent group in those areas as a guiding light of freedom.

[Chizzang]

*

[Chizzang]

Look at all these Liberals apologizing for Islam... its a fucking epidemic of apologetics on the LEFT


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA64SX_52m8[/youtube]

[Skjellyfetti]

Watch this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw1TLVKadzg[/youtube]

Yeah, I've seen that.

You do know that Maajid Nawaz is a muslim, right?

He and his organization is fighting against Islamic EXTREMISM (which doesn't exist according to you and JSO).

The Middle East they're working toward is exactly the Middle East that I posted previously - the Middle East that existed briefly post-WWII.




Again, so what is you position again? If this is "THE #1 problem" what is our solution? Is it the final solution ala JSO?

[Chizzang]

Watch this...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zw1TLVKadzg[/youtube]

Yeah, I've seen that.

You do know that Maajid Nawaz is a muslim, right?

He and his organization is fighting against Islamic EXTREMISM (which doesn't exist according to you and JSO).

The Middle East they're working toward is exactly the Middle East that I posted previously - the Middle East that existed briefly post-WWII.




Again, so what is you position again? If this is "THE #1 problem" what is our solution? Is it the final solution ala JSO?

Jeezus...
One f_cking guy is not the answer
So there's is (to date) one human being on earth who is Islamic and willing to stand up against Islam

Well lets throw a f_cking party then, problem solved

The spotlight of common sense and humanitarian progress needs to be blazing brightly on the largely backwards religion of Islam - I will side with Sam Harris on this issue - Not you SKjelly (sorry)
Islam is a train wreck and no amount of apologies and excuses changes that



And Ivy,
I know you're saying: Welcom to my world
You're sitting back laughing right now - so how do you like arguing with SKJelly now... (Laugh it up)

I'm still voting for Jill Stein just to annoy you

[ASUG8]

Look at all these Liberals apologizing for Islam... its a fucking epidemic of apologetics on the LEFT


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA64SX_52m8[/youtube]

I normally strongly dislike Mayer, but he kind of bitchslapped three people in that vid.

[dbackjon]

A lot has changed, Cleets.

The spread of Wahabi Sunni Islam by Saudi Arabia... that, in turn gave rise to Taliban, Al Qaeda, and now ISIS. It's an extreme sect of Islam... and, yes... it has gained a lot of traction in the last couple of decades. But, it doesn't represent all of the 1,000,000,000+ muslims in the world.

If a distinction between Wahabi and other sects of Islam is too nuanced... at the very least a distinction needs to be made between Sunni and Shiite. Hamas, Al Qaeda, Sunni, the VAST majority of all the Islamic terrorist organizations are Sunni and encouraged by Saudi Arabia.

I see this ^ as THE # 1 problem...
We're making this into our problem of misunderstanding and its distinctly NOT THAT
Its their problem that THEY will NEVER bother to fix if there are not consequences

The subtleties and nuances are horse sh!t in my view
and that argument has landed us precisely where we are today

You mean like this?

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Ambas ... _0804.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Former Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith is claiming President George W. Bush was unaware that there were two major sects of Islam just two months before the President ordered troops to invade Iraq, RAW STORY has learned.

In his new book, The End of Iraq: How American Incompetence Created A War Without End, Galbraith, the son of the late economist John Kenneth Galbraith, claims that American leadership knew very little about the nature of Iraqi society and the problems it would face after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

[UNI88]

Islam is an extremely brutal and backwards religion (period) and it always has been and it will continue to be for the foreseeable future / The WORLD needs to stand against their ridiculous behavior and that includes Liberal America pulling its head out of its ass... We need a team effort (we can't flinch)

A lot has changed, Cleets.

The spread of Wahabi Sunni Islam by Saudi Arabia... that, in turn gave rise to Taliban, Al Qaeda, and now ISIS. It's an extreme sect of Islam... and, yes... it has gained a lot of traction in the last couple of decades. But, it doesn't represent all of the 1,000,000,000+ muslims in the world.

If a distinction between Wahabi and other sects of Islam is too nuanced... at the very least a distinction needs to be made between Sunni and Shiite. Hamas, Al Qaeda, Sunni, the VAST majority of all the Islamic terrorist organizations are Sunni and encouraged by Saudi Arabia.

Cleets, I don't think you can say that Islam has always been "extremely brutal and backwards." During the Dark Ages of Europe, the Middle East kept the candle of learning lit and saved a tremendous amount of knowledge and literary works. Who was the extremist trying to retake the holy land from the infidel during the crusades?

I will grant you that today's Islam is a different animal entirely and due to Wahabism and other extremist sects it is moving in the wrong direction from a Western perspective. I am not an expert on Islam and thus don't know if a moderate version is even possible any more.

This is one of the reasons I'm all for energy independence. Then we can cut the Saudis loose and let them fend for themselves in the mess that they've helped to create.

[CID1990]

Two board liberals giving us exhibit A of why radical Islam will continue to metastasize

SK- "they arent representative of Islam"

Jon- "But Bush!"

[dbackjon]

Two board liberals giving us exhibit A of why radical Islam will continue to metastasize

SK- "they arent representative of Islam"

Jon- "But Bush!"

If Bush, et al hadn't destroyed Iraq in the first place...


I don't have any love for Religion in General. I like people of various faiths individually, but as a whole, the world would be better off worshipping Gaia.

[Grizalltheway]

And, as usual, conks offer no solutions, other than a "final" one. Brilliant.

[Chizzang]

Cleets, I don't think you can say that Islam has always been "extremely brutal and backwards." During the Dark Ages of Europe, the Middle East kept the candle of learning lit and saved a tremendous amount of knowledge and literary works. Who was the extremist trying to retake the holy land from the infidel during the crusades?

I will grant you that today's Islam is a different animal entirely and due to Wahabism and other extremist sects it is moving in the wrong direction from a Western perspective. I am not an expert on Islam and thus don't know if a moderate version is even possible any more.

This is one of the reasons I'm all for energy independence. Then we can cut the Saudis loose and let them fend for themselves in the mess that they've helped to create.

Perhaps...
And how many inches has Islam progressed in the past 400 years
When 78% of Europe's Muslims feel that there should be severe punishment for drawing a cartoon of Allah

[Ivytalk]

And, as usual, conks offer no solutions, other than a "final" one. Brilliant.

The solution is for you to wag your siggy's gorgeous ass in the Jiddah town square for a few minutes and lure out a moderate muslin or two. Dork.