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CID1990 wrote:
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:? How old were you from 65-72?

He didn't say that, but it is a fine example of what you do best.
Tell us, HD- did they mindfvck YOU?

Or were you the only guy there that was too smart for that?

CODPIECE1990 :ohno:

When the tried and true "So you're saying that:(insert something only vaguely similar)" doesn't work, divert.

I'm guessing you were in diapers to early grade school during Vietnam because you clearly don't remember public opinion at the time. Chizz'z estimate of 75% was low if anything. That's why they had to offer the GI Bill. Which was drastically curtailed 18 months after we left Vietnam.
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CID1990 wrote:
Tell us, HD- did they mindfvck YOU?

Or were you the only guy there that was too smart for that?

CODPIECE1990 :ohno:

When the tried and true "So you're saying that:(insert something only vaguely similar)" doesn't work, divert.

I'm guessing you were in diapers to early grade school during Vietnam because you clearly don't remember public opinion at the time. Chizz'z estimate of 75% was low if anything. That's why they had to offer the GI Bill. Which was drastically curtailed 18 months after we left Vietnam.
You know the GI Bill began after WWII, right?

I wasnt around then, but there's these things called history books

Chizz has taken leave of his senses but you ate just being ... you

But ill give you the benefit of the doubt- hows about you do Chizz a solid and back him up with a source that says more than 75% of the people didnt want to be in the military

and then we'll come back to the relevant discussion after you obfuscate on a couple more posts
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:

CODPIECE1990 :ohno:

When the tried and true "So you're saying that:(insert something only vaguely similar)" doesn't work, divert.

I'm guessing you were in diapers to early grade school during Vietnam because you clearly don't remember public opinion at the time. Chizz'z estimate of 75% was low if anything. That's why they had to offer the GI Bill. Which was drastically curtailed 18 months after we left Vietnam.
You know the GI Bill began after WWII, right?

I wasnt around then, but there's these things called history books

Chizz has taken leave of his senses but you ate just being ... you

But ill give you the benefit of the doubt- hows about you do Chizz a solid and back him up with a source that says more than 75% of the people didnt want to be in the military

and then we'll come back to the relevant discussion after you obfuscate on a couple more posts
:silly:

Chizz don't need me, you do. He's been taking you to school all day. :coffee:

All these history books and you don't have a source? But you want one from me? :lol: :coffee:

I lived through it every day with the 6 o'clock news and five of my friends big brothers who didn't come back. You go with your history books, I'll go with first hand experience of the subject. :coffee:
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:

CODPIECE1990 :ohno:

When the tried and true "So you're saying that:(insert something only vaguely similar)" doesn't work, divert.

I'm guessing you were in diapers to early grade school during Vietnam because you clearly don't remember public opinion at the time. Chizz'z estimate of 75% was low if anything. That's why they had to offer the GI Bill. Which was drastically curtailed 18 months after we left Vietnam.
You know the GI Bill began after WWII, right?

I wasnt around then, but there's these things called history books

Chizz has taken leave of his senses but you ate just being ... you

But ill give you the benefit of the doubt- hows about you do Chizz a solid and back him up with a source that says more than 75% of the people didnt want to be in the military

and then we'll come back to the relevant discussion after you obfuscate on a couple more posts
Yes. :?

You aren't so bad at obfuscation yourself. :lol:
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
You know the GI Bill began after WWII, right?

I wasnt around then, but there's these things called history books

Chizz has taken leave of his senses but you ate just being ... you

But ill give you the benefit of the doubt- hows about you do Chizz a solid and back him up with a source that says more than 75% of the people didnt want to be in the military

and then we'll come back to the relevant discussion after you obfuscate on a couple more posts
:silly:

Chizz don't need me, you do. He's been taking you to school all day. :coffee:

All these history books and you don't have a source? But you want one from me? :lol: :coffee:

I lived through it every day with the 6 o'clock news and five of my friends big brothers who didn't come back. You go with your history books, I'll go with first hand experience of the subject. :coffee:
HAH

Houndawg: I was 10, you were 5, that makes me an authority on the subject

Source that more than 75% of the entire military didnt want to be there.

You can't do it because it doesnt exist. You picked the wrong canard to hang your hat on, Mister "I lived through the hell that was Vietnam from my living room"

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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
:silly:

Chizz don't need me, you do. He's been taking you to school all day. :coffee:

All these history books and you don't have a source? But you want one from me? :lol: :coffee:

I lived through it every day with the 6 o'clock news and five of my friends big brothers who didn't come back. You go with your history books, I'll go with first hand experience of the subject. :coffee:
HAH

Houndawg: I was 10, you were 5, that makes me an authority on the subject

Source that more than 75% of the entire military didnt want to be there.

You can't do it because it doesnt exist. You picked the wrong canard to hang your hat on, Mister "I lived through the hell that was Vietnam from my living room"

I'll see your friends' big brothers and raise you three uncles and two cousins

CODPIECE1990: I don't have a source for my claim, I want to see yours. :lol:


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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
HAH

Houndawg: I was 10, you were 5, that makes me an authority on the subject

Source that more than 75% of the entire military didnt want to be there.

You can't do it because it doesnt exist. You picked the wrong canard to hang your hat on, Mister "I lived through the hell that was Vietnam from my living room"

I'll see your friends' big brothers and raise you three uncles and two cousins

CODPIECE1990: I don't have a source for my claim, I want to see yours. :lol:


You need to learn a new trick.
Im not the one who made a wild claim, nor am i the one who waded into the debate and doubled down on it.

You stepped on your crank, own it.
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:

CODPIECE1990: I don't have a source for my claim, I want to see yours. :lol:


You need to learn a new trick.
Im not the one who made a wild claim, nor am i the one who waded into the debate and doubled down on it.

You stepped on your crank, own it.
You said Chizz's 75% figure was way off. Source? :coffee:
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
:silly:

Chizz don't need me, you do. He's been taking you to school all day. :coffee:

All these history books and you don't have a source? But you want one from me? :lol: :coffee:

I lived through it every day with the 6 o'clock news and five of my friends big brothers who didn't come back. You go with your history books, I'll go with first hand experience of the subject. :coffee:
HAH

Houndawg: I was 10, you were 5, that makes me an authority on the subject

Source that more than 75% of the entire military didnt want to be there.

You can't do it because it doesnt exist. You picked the wrong canard to hang your hat on, Mister "I lived through the hell that was Vietnam from my living room"

I'll see your friends' big brothers and raise you three uncles and two cousins
What was your lottery number? My last one was 144.
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
HAH

Houndawg: I was 10, you were 5, that makes me an authority on the subject

Source that more than 75% of the entire military didnt want to be there.

You can't do it because it doesnt exist. You picked the wrong canard to hang your hat on, Mister "I lived through the hell that was Vietnam from my living room"

I'll see your friends' big brothers and raise you three uncles and two cousins
What was your lottery number? My last one was 144.
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The guy is such a hypocrite. He says he wants to be viewed as "just a football player" but then he was all set to do a documentary about being a gay football player.

Anyway, the documentary has been shelved:
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Local sports radio guy, really a doofus, went on a rant about this yesterday (in support of Sam). He said, 'of course there are gay players already in every locker room. One out of every 8 or 9 people are gay.' Now, I don't know what is accepted as the official percentage, but I'm pretty sure it's not 10-13% of the population (especially in pro sports). Point being, why do people feel the need to exaggerate this stat all the time? He's not the first person I've heard do this recently.
I think the actual percentage of the population that is homosexual as defined by an actual preference for sexual contact with a member of one's own sex over sexual contact with a member of the opposite sex is less than 5% but I don't know how much less. And I think it's exaggerated because the primary objective of the movement involved is to bring people around to viewing homosexuality as a normal condition and if it's seen as very common that contributes to that effort.

I can remember seeing and reading about that 10% figure during the late 1980s. From what I read back then the original 10% figure came from a study by Alfred Kinsey that looked for homosexual behavior and included prison inmates. Various surveys are all over the place. You can see an example of that at http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resource ... oprev.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

I recommend looking for reference to probability sampling and if you don't see that don't assign any credibility. And if you do that you will certainly see that the actual figure is far less than 10%. It's hard to get at because most of the results are expressed in terms of having had some homosexual sexual contact and/or being "homosexual or bisexual" so you can't tell what percentage actually prefer same sex contact over opposite sex contact.

The one that looks to me to come closest to answering the question is Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, and Michaels (1994). Estimates are based on a probability sample and one of the conclusions is:
Given the identity category choices of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else, 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women surveyed reported "some level of homosexual identity.
I would expect the percentage of those who actually prefer sexual contact with a member of their own sex over sexual contact with a member of the opposite sex to be somewhat smaller.

Another thing I look at to get is an idea is exit polling results describing national elections. For example: An estimated 5% of those who voted in the 2012 election answered test to "Are you Gay, Lesbian, or Bisexual." 4% answered "yes" to that question in 2008 as well as in 2004.

I consider that to be consistent with the conclusion from the Laumann et. al, 1994 survey. All in all it leads to the belief that the percentage of those who are homosexual as defined by an actual preference for sexual contact with members of their own sex is somewhat smaller than 5%. We don't know how much smaller because neither the surveys nor the exit polling data directly answer the question in those terms. But smaller.

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I think more than 1.4% of women prefer eating pussy. :coffee:
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JohnStOnge wrote:
Local sports radio guy, really a doofus, went on a rant about this yesterday (in support of Sam). He said, 'of course there are gay players already in every locker room. One out of every 8 or 9 people are gay.' Now, I don't know what is accepted as the official percentage, but I'm pretty sure it's not 10-13% of the population (especially in pro sports). Point being, why do people feel the need to exaggerate this stat all the time? He's not the first person I've heard do this recently.
I think the actual percentage of the population that is homosexual as defined by an actual preference for sexual contact with a member of one's own sex over sexual contact with a member of the opposite sex is less than 5% but I don't know how much less. And I think it's exaggerated because the primary objective of the movement involved is to bring people around to viewing homosexuality as a normal condition and if it's seen as very common that contributes to that effort.

I can remember seeing and reading about that 10% figure during the late 1980s. From what I read back then the original 10% figure came from a study by Alfred Kinsey that looked for homosexual behavior and included prison inmates. Various surveys are all over the place. You can see an example of that at http://www.kinseyinstitute.org/resource ... oprev.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

I recommend looking for reference to probability sampling and if you don't see that don't assign any credibility. And if you do that you will certainly see that the actual figure is far less than 10%. It's hard to get at because most of the results are expressed in terms of having had some homosexual sexual contact and/or being "homosexual or bisexual" so you can't tell what percentage actually prefer same sex contact over opposite sex contact.

The one that looks to me to come closest to answering the question is Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, and Michaels (1994). Estimates are based on a probability sample and one of the conclusions is:
Given the identity category choices of heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or something else, 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women surveyed reported "some level of homosexual identity.
I would expect the percentage of those who actually prefer sexual contact with a member of their own sex over sexual contact with a member of the opposite sex to be somewhat smaller.

Another thing I look at to get is an idea is exit polling results describing national elections. For example: An estimated 5% of those who voted in the 2012 election answered test to "Are you Gay, Lesbian, or Bisexual." 4% answered "yes" to that question in 2008 as well as in 2004.

I consider that to be consistent with the conclusion from the Laumann et. al, 1994 survey. All in all it leads to the belief that the percentage of those who are homosexual as defined by an actual preference for sexual contact with members of their own sex is somewhat smaller than 5%. We don't know how much smaller because neither the surveys nor the exit polling data directly answer the question in those terms. But smaller.

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houndawg wrote:
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Im not the one who made a wild claim, nor am i the one who waded into the debate and doubled down on it.

You stepped on your crank, own it.
You said Chizz's 75% figure was way off. Source? :coffee:
im surprised you can ask that with a straight face

the claim was his and you said it was probably more than that

youre the one with the claim so you need to source it

hint: Chitz himself said it was his BELIEF
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
HAH

Houndawg: I was 10, you were 5, that makes me an authority on the subject

Source that more than 75% of the entire military didnt want to be there.

You can't do it because it doesnt exist. You picked the wrong canard to hang your hat on, Mister "I lived through the hell that was Vietnam from my living room"

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What was your lottery number? My last one was 144.
did you ever set foot in Vietnam, Rambo?
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
What was your lottery number? My last one was 144.
did you ever set foot in Vietnam, Rambo?
Why, no, CODPIECE1990, I didn't, and for that I feel extremely lucky and thankful.

You say that like its a bad thing. :coffee:
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CID1990 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
You said Chizz's 75% figure was way off. Source? :coffee:
im surprised you can ask that with a straight face

the claim was his and you said it was probably more than that

youre the one with the claim so you need to source it

hint: Chitz himself said it was his BELIEF
And you said it was lower. Claim. Source? :lol:
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I joined the Reserves to help pay for school, liked it so much I was trying to get my commission and serve 20. If it wasn't for a detached retina I had since the third grade (field of vision loss), I would now be getting out. I met some truly great people in the military - why would I want to go from reservist to active if I didn't. Guess I am lucky I got out before I was mindlessly brainwashed into a killing machine! Killing machine or message board winner? Lucky!
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houndawg wrote:
CID1990 wrote:
did you ever set foot in Vietnam, Rambo?
Why, no, CODPIECE1990, I didn't, and for that I feel extremely lucky and thankful.

You say that like its a bad thing. :coffee:
Nice tap out! :rofl:

The same guy that bashes Limbaugh, Bush, Nugent and Hannity etc for not being in the military or fighting in wars. The LEFT ladies and gentleman, the ULTIMATE hypocrites!

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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:
houndawg wrote:
Why, no, CODPIECE1990, I didn't, and for that I feel extremely lucky and thankful.

You say that like its a bad thing. :coffee:
Nice tap out! :rofl:

The same guy that bashes Limbaugh, Bush, Nugent and Hannity etc for not being in the military or fighting in wars. The LEFT ladies and gentleman, the ULTIMATE hypocrites!

:rofl: :rofl:
:nod:
:dunce:

:coffee:
:lol: Poor dumb bastard. :ohno:

I bash them for war-mongering when they know that they and theirs won't be in harms way. :nod: It's not my fault the country preferred diplomacy while I was in. :coffee:

Weak effort, bro. Between you not caring anymore and CUD's yeast infection, things just aren't as much fun around here. :ohno:
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Well when we re-institute the draft and it gets done to people involuntarily then come back and we'll talk. It is harder to make your argument with a 100% volunteer army. The military is certainly training people how to react, how to use weapons, etc - but largely they aren't teaching people how to think (unless we are talking about the sensitivity training).

I was mainly making a tongue in cheek comment before, but personally I don't have a problem with the Dolphins or any other private business or organization having reeducation (that's what it is). If you don't like it, find someone else to work for. One day when I get tired of all the sensitivity training and reasonable accomodation bullcrap I'll go do something else. For now, I use those things as an opportunity to catch up on my sleep/reading/etc.
Volunteer..!!! :rofl:

How about LAST RESORT
I would guess 75% conservatively have ZERO interest in joining the Military
It just happens to be all there is left for them

Volunteer... (you crack me up CID)

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