So the Cold War is over?

[93henfan]

We have apparently established that everyone who has served in the military since August 1945 and all college football players of all time are dolts, brainwashed, and working for the man.

None had any sense of duty, honor, or enjoyment of their endeavors and nothing about what they did was noble.

There very existence was trivial and meaningless.

This thread is smugtastic.

Except Pat Tillman...and my friend Troy who is also pretty cool.

Bullshit. Tillman was a double dipper. Just a PR tool for the man. What a mindless dolt.

[Ibanez]

Except Pat Tillman...and my friend Troy who is also pretty cool.

Bullshit. Tillman was a double dipper. Just a PR tool for the man. What a mindless dolt.

Tillman isn't dead. His death was staged to get you stupid Americans to believe in the cause.

[houndawg]

How much pro/college football have you played lately?

I stand by my comment...anyone with any brains would NOT willingly go to Afghanistan to fight a war we have no business fighting. You disparage bankers that do bad things to customers...because they work for big, EVIL banks, yet, you give a pass to our soldiers who die over in Afghanistan for the sole purpose of propping up a corrupt clown so that we can make money building and selling weapons and cell phones.

C'mon, Z!

If the enemy were at the gates, I'd join the fight. But we're not fighting an enemy that is threatening to invade and destroy the United States of God Damned America...we're fighting a bunch of fvcking goat herders, most of whom have never read a newspaper or given a crap about America. We're fighting in large swaths of areas that don't have electricity. How the heck are they any threat to us?

Yet, we have people volunteering to go over there to get shot (and shoot back) because...wait for it...IT IS THEIR JOB.

Hey kid, sign up to protect America from goat herders who don't even have a car or an airplane with which to transport themselves over here. They're a real threat to 'Merica, and you'll be protecting your mother and sister from those savages. Oh, they might have guns...yeah, we, well not we, but our friends in the CIA, might have supplied them with some of those...and they might shoot you if you run up in their business, but we are going to send you over there to guard some corrupt leader that we've given hundreds of millions of dollars to so that he'll kinda' do what we say. You? You'll get full meals (unless you're out on patrol, in which case we have these really cool things that look like and taste like airplane food - and of course we overpaid for them, but those defense contractors are really nice guys and need to live well), and a low salary to protect this despotic leader and his merry band of crooks. BTW, the women wear veils, and aren't allowed to drive, vote, or look at a man under penalty of death, but just ignore that stuff because we're fighting for American values, not their values. Stay focused, and if you start to think, go see your superior officer and he'll set you straight. We've got a job to do...don't ask why, just do it! And we'll even train you how to not to think about that.

BTW, we'll toss in a free flag on your coffin if you die. A nice one...and we can fold that thing up neatly...you'll think you are in one of those fancy restaurants with those swam tablecloths. We're that good.

Sign here, hero.

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Listen. I agree with 90% of your Cindy Shehanisms....what I DON'T agree with is the assertion that grunts are just robotic, brainwashed idiots who are only in the military because they had no other lot in life. Guess we should tell Pat Tillman's family that THAT is how he's viewed...

And personally, I'd just as soon KEEP the fighting on the other side of the pond, if you please. Pretty funny how goat herders without guns or planes managed to take down the two tallest buildings in the U.S., kill 2800 citizens in the span of about 45 minutes and send another plane into the Pentagon. Pretty good **** from 8,000 miles away in a mud hut with no running water.

He's talking about jarheads.

[BlueHen86]

That's not what we are discussing here. Nobody is claiming that we will never fight in another war. A better analogy would be if after WWI somebody claimed that the days of horses and mounted cavalry are over.

Saddam Hussein had lots of infantry and tanks, and it was quickly taken out by a smaller but better equipped force.

Gulf War I according to wiki we still had close to 700k military personnel over there in 91'. Total Coalition was over 950k. Iraq had about 650k. Couldn't mount anything close to that now.
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Gulf War II Sadam didn't have nearly as many troops or tanks...

You're hung up on quantity versus quality. More does not necessarily mean better. Give Saddam a million horse mounted cavalry, a million Swiss pikemen and a million Welsh archers and he still loses both Gulf Wars.

[BDKJMU]

Listen. I agree with 90% of your Cindy Shehanisms....what I DON'T agree with is the assertion that grunts are just robotic, brainwashed idiots who are only in the military because they had no other lot in life. Guess we should tell Pat Tillman's family that THAT is how he's viewed...

And personally, I'd just as soon KEEP the fighting on the other side of the pond, if you please. Pretty funny how goat herders without guns or planes managed to take down the two tallest buildings in the U.S., kill 2800 citizens in the span of about 45 minutes and send another plane into the Pentagon. Pretty good **** from 8,000 miles away in a mud hut with no running water.

Pat Tillman died for someone else's profit. That is a shame, but it is a fact. He wasn't over the getting revenge for our fallen...he was over there as part of a distraction. Brave, but stupid.

If Tillman saw the money going to Karzi and his posse, and had access to the clownish policies we've followed, I bet he'd want his life back.

As to your goat herder point, we had half a million men looking for a place to get laid in bases here and around the world, and not one of them was stationed anywhere effectively to stop an assault of that kind (even though infiltration through air and sea are the only ways to attack our country).

So, what do we do? We still don't have our military in place to stop infiltration along our borders and in our airports.

Instead, we have hired some people even lower on the mental totem pole (you seriously have to check out the security people at PHL...must have gotten half of them from shelters) to join our newly minted (and expensive...please don't miss that gem) Homeland Security force. That name makes you wonder if our regular Armed Forces should be renamed Otherlands Security Force.

In the meantime, we are closely monitoring people who fly back and forth from designated Muslim terrorist areas and somehow let them blow up bombs the Boston Marathon. Holy crap...we knew who they were and had suspicions, but we're too busy manning the remnants of the Berlin wall and avoiding any possible profiling to stop any of the real threats.

We don't need a larger army...we need a smarter army. And we certainly need some smarter leaders who don't kowtow to business interests instead of to America's safety.

So what would you have done after 9-11, given that the Taliban was harboring Al Quaeda in Afghanistan, which AQ was using as a base to launch attacks against the US, both in the states and abroad?

[AZGrizFan]

He's talking about jarheads.

There you are, right on cue. I'm here defending the honor of infantrymen everywhere and what do you do? Swoop in and shit on the Marines.

[93henfan]

He's talking about jarheads.

There you are, right on cue. I'm here defending the honor of infantrymen everywhere and what do you do? Swoop in and shit on the Marines.

No need to respond. Have you seen most regular Army units?

[YoUDeeMan]

So what would you have done after 9-11, given that the Taliban was harboring Al Quaeda in Afghanistan, which AQ was using as a base to launch attacks against the US, both in the states and abroad?

I don't mind what we did, at first. Hit them hard, kill the bastards, and get out. Lay waste to that place (that means more bombs, more napalm, more everything that kills). Then send a message...now that we've shown you a portion of what we can do, we'll leave you alone to your opium wars, but if you decide to harbor more whack jobs that want to hurt us, then we'll come back and kill the rest of your people.

The Taliban weren't out to kill the U.S. of A, they just saw an opportunity to get money from a rich Saudi who supplied them with weapons that would help them in their effort to conquer the local tribes in exchange for letting the AQ folks set up armed camps. Duh.

Instead, we decide to stay in the middle of a war that's been going on for centuries, paying off tribal leaders (who took our money and turned against us), training and arming the locals...all at the expense of our taxpayers. Of course, staying meant that the Taliban and AQ became allies with a common goal of avoiding extinction instead of a marriage of convenience that might well have been tossed aside by the Taliban due to it's extremely high cost...if we had just left.

Let me help your memory a bit...the tactic of staying and arming local people against the so called bad guys didn't result in a victory in a host of nations including Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan (for us, the Russians, and a host of other invaders), so why would we have ever thought to stay and endure casualties while supporting a thug?

And no, we would not have needed a half million man army to send a message. And we sure didn't need to have several thousand people killed delivering that message over the course of a decade.

Now we are scheduled to leave (fat chance, some Senators and Obama want to stay in order to cater to defense contractors...and money talks). Where did the threat go? How could we possibly leave if not being there was said to have been such a threat to our nation's security for all these years?

Riddle me that, BDKman.

[YoUDeeMan]

Tillman had begun a private correspondence with Chomsky prior to his death and was apparently reconsidering our actions. He was very smart and a total outlier in this argument.

There are some outliers in anything. Funny how war and patriotism seem so macho from afar, but when it comes down to it, he obviously began to see that what he was sold was not what he got.

I'm sure 93 would have tried to return his uniform for a refund if he had gone over there and realized we were propping up a clown while risking our people's lives for nothing.

[houndawg]

There you are, right on cue. I'm here defending the honor of infantrymen everywhere and what do you do? Swoop in and **** on the Marines.

No need to respond. Have you seen most regular Army units?

Where the real work gets done while the marines play on the beach.

[houndawg]

So what would you have done after 9-11, given that the Taliban was harboring Al Quaeda in Afghanistan, which AQ was using as a base to launch attacks against the US, both in the states and abroad?

I don't mind what we did, at first. Hit them hard, kill the bastards, and get out. Lay waste to that place (that means more bombs, more napalm, more everything that kills). Then send a message...now that we've shown you a portion of what we can do, we'll leave you alone to your opium wars, but if you decide to harbor more whack jobs that want to hurt us, then we'll come back and kill the rest of your people.

The Taliban weren't out to kill the U.S. of A, they just saw an opportunity to get money from a rich Saudi who supplied them with weapons that would help them in their effort to conquer the local tribes in exchange for letting the AQ folks set up armed camps. Duh.

Instead, we decide to stay in the middle of a war that's been going on for centuries, paying off tribal leaders (who took our money and turned against us), training and arming the locals...all at the expense of our taxpayers. Of course, staying meant that the Taliban and AQ became allies with a common goal of avoiding extinction instead of a marriage of convenience that might well have been tossed aside by the Taliban due to it's extremely high cost...if we had just left.

Let me help your memory a bit...the tactic of staying and arming local people against the so called bad guys didn't result in a victory in a host of nations including Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan (for us, the Russians, and a host of other invaders), so why would we have ever thought to stay and endure casualties while supporting a thug?

And no, we would not have needed a half million man army to send a message. And we sure didn't need to have several thousand people killed delivering that message over the course of a decade.

Now we are scheduled to leave (fat chance, some Senators and Obama want to stay in order to cater to defense contractors...and money talks). Where did the threat go? How could we possibly leave if not being there was said to have been such a threat to our nation's security for all these years?

Riddle me that, BDKman.

We aren't about to walk away from a trillion dollars worth of Rare Earth Elements that are critical to national security and currently controlled by China who is manipulating the market.

[houndawg]

He's talking about jarheads.

There you are, right on cue. I'm here defending the honor of infantrymen everywhere and what do you do? Swoop in and **** on the Marines.

Seamen are so sensitive...

[AZGrizFan]

No need to respond. Have you seen most regular Army units?

Where the real work gets done while the marines play on the beach.

Army:


Navy:


Marines:

[bluehenbillk]

So any of you bleeding heart donks still think Snowden should be pardoned??

[Skjellyfetti]

So any of you bleeding heart donks still think Snowden should be pardoned??

And, it's not just bleeding heart liberals that want clemency for Snowden.

[YoUDeeMan]

So any of you bleeding heart donks still think Snowden should be pardoned??

I can't answer for the bleeding heart donks, but I think Snowden is a hero.

The people in jail should be the clowns in our government who lie, cheat, and steal...EVERY SINGLE DAY...from our citizens.

I want an honest government.

[CID1990]

So any of you bleeding heart donks still think Snowden should be pardoned??

I can't answer for the bleeding heart donks, but I think Snowden is a hero.

The people in jail should be the clowns in our government who lie, cheat, and steal...EVERY SINGLE DAY...from our citizens.

I want an honest government.

I'd agree with you two if he had just stopped with the domestic spying stuff.

[Grizalltheway]

Where the real work gets done while the marines play on the beach.

Navy:


Nice. No wonder everyone hates us.

[AZGrizFan]

Navy:


Nice. No wonder everyone hates us.

While I concur with the sentiment expressed on that flight deck, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that that photo was photoshopped....any CO that allowed that would most likely immediately be relieved of command.

[93henfan]

If anyone thought for a second that was real: http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/carrier.asp

[AZGrizFan]

If anyone thought for a second that was real: http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/carrier.asp

Only GATW.

[grizzaholic]

[AZGrizFan]

That's not how it works.

That's now how ANY of it works...

[grizzaholic]

That's not now it works.

That's now how ANY of it works...

Did dal hack AZ's account?

[Ibanez]

That's not now it works.

That's now how ANY of it works...